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Haven't you noticed? The only characters that carry over between movies are the ones that cry. If you don't cry in a Spiderman movie, you don't come back for a sequel.

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It would be really interesting to know exactly how many ounces/gallons of synthetic tears they used in the filming of all three movies.

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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
it reminded me too much of Superman III.

I've been thinking this all weekend and have been waiting to get in here to talk about it. Raimi often talked about how much he cribbed from Superman: The Movie when he made Spidey 1. They cribbed even more from Superman II for Spidey 2, right down to the central plotline of the superhero giving up his powers to be with the woman he loved. And they dipped into that well once again. Just as in Superman III, Spidey 3 shows the hero coming in contact with a substance that brings out his dark side. He becomes a complete asshole to everybody who loves him, and eventually has to do some type of battle with himself to rid himself of this dark half.

While I liked the movie, I think Sandman was completely unnecessary and should have been saved for another movie. He's a cool character, played VERY well by Church, and deserved more development. Likewise with Venom. If every minute of Sandman's screen time had been devoted to building up Eddie Brock and Venom's character, he wouldn't have felt so tacked-on. I also think Venom deserved a much darker voice. I always heard something like Gollum, only more gutteral, in my head. The fact he still had Topher's normal voice made it very difficult to accept the villain as a badass. Topher as Eddie Brock worked quite well for me, but the voice of Venom was sadly lacking. I half-expected to hear him say "ooooo, burn."

I suspect this movie will need its EE released sooner rather than later. I've seen the Spidey 2.1 and while it is an improvement in most ways, the theatrical cut is still excellent on its own merits. But as long as Spidey 3's runtime was, I think making it longer may actually help it to feel shorter. Venom and Sandman were too short-changed and I suspect the problem is not with what's present on the reel but what's on the cutting-room floor.
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Saw it yesterday. I tend to agree with most that the evil Peter at the jazz bar was waaaay unnecessary, but on balance I thought the movie was well done. The dialog was campy at times, and I wanted to rip my own ears off when the reporter was "on the scene" as it were when the final battle was going down. Of all the actors I think Church and Franco were at the tops of their games. Franco definitely had a cool turn in this one.

Rosemary Harris and JK Simmons (Jameson) didn't seem to have as much face time. The schtick with Jameson and the intercom was another cringe-worthy scene that I just wanted to end, and it took one of the parts I most look forward to (Jameson on a tirade at the Bugle) and made it painful.

Kirsten Dunst has got to go in any sequels that may follow, and there will be more given the opening numbers. Bryce Dallas Howard was ok in what she was asked to do, which wasn't much, and James Cromwell should fire his agent. I was hoping for more of Cliff Robertson as Uncle Ben, as in the second one in Peter's dream sequence, which I thought was one of the most powerful scenes in any of the films.

I agree with Tip regarding the second one in terms of the personal drama and character development. The stuff Peter went through in the second one was very moving and I think has cemented that one as the best in the series.

At this point I'd have to say in terms of my preference it's 2, 3, then 1.
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I give it a chance and watch it on the internet. I would like to see Ben Urich in the next one and Woody Allen playing him.
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Interesting, JediSage, as I agree with you that the reporter was horribly irritating, but I thought the intercom scene was hilarious. I wouldn't say that J.K. Simmons was shortchanged. He had some great scenes, what with that one and him buying the camera from the little girl at the end.

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It just gets so cheesy sometimes. I love it!!!!!!!!!
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Watched it last night, and after most of the reviews I read, I was expecting a right load of tosh.

But I thought it was great. For me it was the perfect sequel, just like number 2, it ticked all the boxes.

The only thing I can't quite work out is just one thing. I was watching Spidey 1 the other night and the black fella who works in the Bugle said something about 'Eddie Brock' being on the case. (as in taking photos). Maybe it was EB jnr's dad. Dunno.
Apart from that, loved it.



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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Interesting, JediSage, as I agree with you that the reporter was horribly irritating, but I thought the intercom scene was hilarious. I wouldn't say that J.K. Simmons was shortchanged. He had some great scenes, what with that one and him buying the camera from the little girl at the end.


Total agreement.

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Huh, Eddie Brock was mentioned in the first one? I can't believe I never noticed that. It was probably an oversight, since back then they did not know if there would be any sequels or if they would ever get the chance to depict Venom. All along they have tried to put as many characters names in as they could. Even Connor's is mentioned in the first one, but never shown.

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Originally posted by: Tiptup
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Interesting, JediSage, as I agree with you that the reporter was horribly irritating, but I thought the intercom scene was hilarious. I wouldn't say that J.K. Simmons was shortchanged. He had some great scenes, what with that one and him buying the camera from the little girl at the end.


Total agreement.


Yes, I did think the scene with the camera was good. I just still get the feeling that I got gipped on my J. Jonah fix this time around...
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I'll say this much: I was looking very forward to it, and I was immensely disappointed. It's a mishmash of plots shoved together, and I thought it wasn't good at all. Let me count the ways...

-Emo Peter telling Mr. Ditkovich to "FIX THE DAMN DOOR!!!"
-the Saturday Night Fever-esque montage scene (because, really, everyone needs a montage)
-attempts at humor placed awkwardly in the film (what, it cuts to J.J. buying a camera from a little girl while Peter is getting his ass kicked?)
-bad acting (Kirsten Dunst trying to sing, Tobey Maguire forcibly making his lip quiver in the last Harry scene)
-dodgy FX in most parts (not the Sandman forming sequence, because that was great)
-unintentional laughs (How's the pie? SOOOO good!)
-lack of Brock/symbiote until end (what, you think shoving the main villain 25 minutes from the end is supposed to be edgy and cool? Screw off. It was goddamn pathetic how they wasted a great opportunity.)
-useless supporting characters (Gwen Stacy? Pawn for Peter to get back at MJ. Captain Stacy? Glorified cameo. Flash Thompson? Are you kidding me?)
-bad moments galore, including:
--the butler conveniently neglecting to tell Harry something about his father until the right moment, and even that's stretching it (how does the butler know what the glider knife pattern looks like? Cleaning a dead man's wound????)
--Venom not bothering to go after a defenseless Peter at the cathedral
--how Brock knows where Mary Jane lives, and how he knows when she leaves for work
--Sandman saying "I'm sorry" to Peter, and he actually accepts the apology, even though the guy has robbed (and possibly killed), as well as being responsible for the death of Uncle Ben
-the ludicrous nuclear testing facility, located in the middle of a field surrounded by a fence

4 out of 10. Could have been better with more editing and a more thought-out script, but wasn't that good at all.

That's my short review.
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Originally posted by: crazyrabbits
I'll say this much: I was looking very forward to it, and I was immensely disappointed. It's a mishmash of plots shoved together, and I thought it wasn't good at all. Let me count the ways...

-Emo Peter telling Mr. Ditkovich to "FIX THE DAMN DOOR!!!"
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...What was wrong with that scene? I thought that was one of the best Emo Peter scenes in the movie.

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That was about the only bearable and believeable emo scene in the film.

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Well, I'm not too sure on this one...it definitely had more cringe-worthy moments than the first two, and everything fit *too* conveniently in places (specifically about the Butler revealing the truth), but I don't know, it deserves another viewing.
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Originally posted by: crazyrabbits
-dodgy FX in most parts (not the Sandman forming sequence, because that was great)


Oh man, that sequence where the Sandman reformed himself was the most compelling scene of the movie for me. It was actually almost bringing me to tears it was so moving and the music was gorgeous.

(Edit: fixed grammar.)

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Hmm, crazyrabbits, interesting review. Hope you don't mind if I question a few of your points:

-Emo Peter telling Mr. Ditkovich to "FIX THE DAMN DOOR!!!"

Like Chaltab, I thought that was the best of the "evil" Peter.

-the Saturday Night Fever-esque montage scene (because, really, everyone needs a montage)

That got a little cheesy, but I'm a big fan of montages. Like I said before, the "Raindrops" montage was my favorite part of the second movie.

-dodgy FX in most parts (not the Sandman forming sequence, because that was great)

I agree to a certain extent. Harry flying away from the giant Sandman looked horrible. But the Sandman forming sequence was great. His musical theme was great too, and I nearly teared up when he tried to pick up the locket and couldn't.

-unintentional laughs (How's the pie? SOOOO good!)

Was that supposed to be unintentional? I thought it was funny, and I thought it was supposed to be funny.

-useless supporting characters (Gwen Stacy? Pawn for Peter to get back at MJ. Captain Stacy? Glorified cameo. Flash Thompson? Are you kidding me?)

I agree with all of those... but Flash Thompson?! Where the hell was he?! I saw his name in the credits the second time I saw it and was left scratching my head. I thought maybe there was a shot of him in the opening credits montage. Where does he show up if not there?

--the butler conveniently neglecting to tell Harry something about his father until the right moment, and even that's stretching it (how does the butler know what the glider knife pattern looks like? Cleaning a dead man's wound????)

Yeah, I've already weighed in on this. That seemed rather contrived and silly.

But, yeah, in case you didn't bother to wade through all of that, where the hell was Flash Thompson in this movie?!

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
-unintentional laughs (How's the pie? SOOOO good!)

Was that supposed to be unintentional? I thought it was funny, and I thought it was supposed to be funny.


I think it was mostly intentional. But only somewhat for humor. The theme of the movie, if it had one, was clearly the idea of revenge and how it doesn't help us. Therefore, at that scene, I was guessing that Harry was eating his revenge pie (a dish best served cold).

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Got to see it last night. Not as bad as I thought it would be, but I have to agree with many of the assessments on this thread. Emo Peter got way too much screen time that Venom was absolutely cheated out of. Seeing Topher Grace's face plastered on Venom every time he talked was excessive and did take A LOT away from the idea of Venom. Yes Topher's voice sucked for Venom. I didn't have too many issues with the Peter dancing scene, but I wished they would have scraped it in favor of more character development of Venom, as noted above. Yes, this franchise, is now officially riddled with crying people. I also did not understand the purpose of Sandman, I would have liked it better if the Doctor's scenes would have been added. I agree with more here that Sandman could have also been scraped and let that time be put on Venom, as noted above.
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I think it should have shown that Venom himself was not that bad he only hated Peter.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
I think it should have shown that Venom himself was not that bad he only hated Peter.


Yeah, I don't read the comics, but a comic book reading buddy of mine told me that Venom wasn't as bad a guy as the movie would have you believe. The original comic book version of him depicted that he actually saved folks and everything, he just hated Peter.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape

But, yeah, in case you didn't bother to wade through all of that, where the hell was Flash Thompson in this movie?!


He was at the funeral at the end. I'm certain it's him standing near the front in a couple of shots. I don't know why he's there exactly, but I'm guessing it's out of respect for a former schoolmate?

One other thing: I had to laugh at the end when Sandman tells Peter that he's sorry for unintentionally killing Ben, and then floats away into the NY skyline. Aside from the fact that it came off looking way too sappy, it's ridiculous that Peter so readily lets Marko go, especially after this guy just robbed banks and stole money, possibly injured/killed cops, and just a few minutes beforehand, beat the living crap out of Peter with a giant sand fist. What, saying "Sorry" makes it all better? Insane, I tell you!

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Hmm, I guess I was too busy thinking how weird it was that the Stacy family was there to notice Flash Thompson, which makes even less sense.

But now that I think about it, if Harry's cause of death was made publicly known (that he was the one assisting Spider-Man to save the city), then I guess it would make sense that the police chief and his family would be there to honor him.

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Harry was also a well known member of the community. That is why, I assumed, that Gwen's family was there. But now that you mention that he died while fighting to save everyone, I guess that is another reason why more people would be there. More believeable to me now. But yeah, that Gwen at the funeral thing really threw me off. To the point that I don't even remember anything else about that scene, I can't even remember exactly how the movie ended but I am definately not paying to see it again.

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