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Politics and outrage culture will ruin entertainment.

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Haarspalter said:

Handman said:

As long as we condemn everyone who’s done or said something questionable in all the time they’ve been around, there’ll be no one left in Hollywood. No one is infallible.

Well, then Rian Johnson should be worried right now. Back in 2011 he made joke about the Star Wars OT Blu rays. He tweeted “will Lucasfilm release the original cuts or just the cartoon versions?” or something like that.

How is that an example of infallibility?

Honestly the chances of anyone finding old Twitter dirt on Johnson is in the negative percentages at this point. The group that got Gunn had been out for Rian for months now, with nothing to show for it.

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Jay said:

Politics and outrage culture will ruin entertainment.

There’s a way to conduct matters without either completely ignoring things or going overboard.

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DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

Politics and outrage culture will ruin entertainment.

There’s a way to conduct matters without either completely ignoring things or going overboard.

Where exactly is that line and who defines it?

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Jay said:

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Jay said:

Politics and outrage culture will ruin entertainment.

There’s a way to conduct matters without either completely ignoring things or going overboard.

Where exactly is that line and who defines it?

No two cases are the same and so the idea that everything must be a firable offense or nothing is is stupid. It’s not a matter of there being a definite line with a definite definition, because the definition won’t necessarily apply in every case. This isn’t a math problem.

And just because some people get fired with insufficient reason doesn’t mean we should throw our hands up and saw no one should be fired for anything ever. It just means people in charge have to actually show some care, rather than just pretending they do (and instead being reckless about it).

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DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

Politics and outrage culture will ruin entertainment.

There’s a way to conduct matters without either completely ignoring things or going overboard.

Where exactly is that line and who defines it?

No two cases are the same and so the idea that everything must be a firable offense or nothing is is stupid. It’s not a matter of there being a definite line with a definite definition, because the definition won’t necessarily apply in every case. This isn’t a math problem.

And just because some people get fired with insufficient reason doesn’t mean we should throw our hands up and saw no one should be fired for anything ever. It just means people in charge have to actually show some care, rather than just pretending they do (and instead being reckless about it).

Who says Disney didn’t exercise care in this case?

Seems to me it’s “justified” when someone agrees with the decision and “reckless” when they don’t. It’s sort of like speeding: everyone driving slower than you is an idiot and everyone driving faster is crazy.

Despite the differences between Roseanne’s circumstances and Gunn’s, their firings are both tied to politically-driven outrage and social media mobs. There are just different politics driving the mobs.

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Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

Politics and outrage culture will ruin entertainment.

There’s a way to conduct matters without either completely ignoring things or going overboard.

Where exactly is that line and who defines it?

No two cases are the same and so the idea that everything must be a firable offense or nothing is is stupid. It’s not a matter of there being a definite line with a definite definition, because the definition won’t necessarily apply in every case. This isn’t a math problem.

And just because some people get fired with insufficient reason doesn’t mean we should throw our hands up and saw no one should be fired for anything ever. It just means people in charge have to actually show some care, rather than just pretending they do (and instead being reckless about it).

Who says Disney didn’t exercise care in this case?

Seems to me it’s “justified” when someone agrees with the decision and “reckless” when they don’t. It’s sort of like speeding: everyone driving slower than you is an idiot and everyone driving faster is crazy.

Despite the differences between Roseanne’s circumstances and Gunn’s, their firings are both tied to politically-driven outrage and social media mobs. There are just different politics driving the mobs.

First of all, whether or not I personally agree with this is besides the point I was making, which was in general terms.

Now, as for whether or not I do agree with this firing, my whole point was that each case is different and should be treated differently. So I don’t get the logic of trying to prove my point wrong by saying “you’re only mad when you don’t agree with it!” What I’m saying is it shouldn’t be a binary everyone should be fired or no one should be. So of course I’ll disagree if it just seems like they’re blindly “firing everyone.”

Gunn’s tweets have been in the world for a while, what’s “reckless” is that only now they are firing him. Despite the fact that he’s apologized already, and supposedly has had a fine working relationship with the company. If we are to take Gunn at his word, that his poor taste in jokes are something that are many years behind him now, than this is something Disney should have considered.

You can’t just ignore the differences between this and Barr. Again, my whole point is that everything can’t be treated the same way. The differences are the most important part. If Gunn tweeted a child rape joke yesterday, this would be a completely different story. Part of the reason Roseanne was canceled were that crew members were jumping ship and didn’t want to work with her anymore.

If there are additional factors at play here, it would be nice to know them. As I said before, Disney is sending a confusing message, because on the surface of it they’re essentially suggesting that people aren’t allowed to mature, change, or put any past mistakes behind them (which isn’t to say that every kind of past mistake is forgivable, but again this is where considering each case individually is important).

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Jay said:

Politics and outrage culture will ruin entertainment.

Will? Isn’t it already happening?

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DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

Politics and outrage culture will ruin entertainment.

There’s a way to conduct matters without either completely ignoring things or going overboard.

Where exactly is that line and who defines it?

No two cases are the same and so the idea that everything must be a firable offense or nothing is is stupid. It’s not a matter of there being a definite line with a definite definition, because the definition won’t necessarily apply in every case. This isn’t a math problem.

And just because some people get fired with insufficient reason doesn’t mean we should throw our hands up and saw no one should be fired for anything ever. It just means people in charge have to actually show some care, rather than just pretending they do (and instead being reckless about it).

Who says Disney didn’t exercise care in this case?

Seems to me it’s “justified” when someone agrees with the decision and “reckless” when they don’t. It’s sort of like speeding: everyone driving slower than you is an idiot and everyone driving faster is crazy.

Despite the differences between Roseanne’s circumstances and Gunn’s, their firings are both tied to politically-driven outrage and social media mobs. There are just different politics driving the mobs.

First of all, whether or not I personally agree with this is besides the point I was making, which was in general terms.

Now, as for whether or not I do agree with this firing, my whole point was that each case is different and should be treated differently. So I don’t get the logic of trying to prove my point wrong by saying “you’re only mad when you don’t agree with it!” What I’m saying is it shouldn’t be a binary everyone should be fired or no one should be. So of course I’ll disagree if it just seems like they’re blindly “firing everyone.”

Gunn’s tweets have been in the world for a while, what’s “reckless” is that only now they are firing him. Despite the fact that he’s apologized already, and supposedly has had a fine working relationship with the company. If we are to take Gunn at his word, that his poor taste in jokes are something that are many years behind him now, than this is something Disney should have considered.

You can’t just ignore the differences between this and Barr. Again, my whole point is that everything can’t be treated the same way. The differences are the most important part. If Gunn tweeted a child rape joke yesterday, this would be a completely different story. Part of the reason Roseanne was canceled were that crew members were jumping ship and didn’t want to work with her anymore.

If there are additional factors at play here, it would be nice to know them. As I said before, Disney is sending a confusing message, because on the surface of it they’re essentially suggesting that people aren’t allowed to mature, change, or put any past mistakes behind them (which isn’t to say that every kind of past mistake is forgivable, but again this is where considering each case individually is important).

Where in my first response to you did I suggest it was binary? That it was all or nothing? I didn’t. I suggested, via the question I posed, that if there’s a decision to be made, then there must be a line, and if there’s a line, then it’s up to someone to draw that line.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you seem to believe that there’s a line that Barr crossed and Gunn didn’t, and that line relates to who that person is today versus who they were in the past. Barr tweeted something offensive recently, whereas Gunn last tweeted something offensive about 6 years ago. That’s a perfectly okay line to draw, and it’s perfectly okay to believe Barr deserved to be fired and Gunn didn’t.

I don’t feel either should have been fired. My line is farther out than your line. I also think that’s okay.

Disney fired both. Apparently, they drew their line more conservatively than you or I would have. It’s their money to make or lose and both Barr’s and Gunn’s employment are at Disney’s discretion. Firing Gunn is only “reckless” if his continued employment wouldn’t have been harmful to their brand. In their judgment, it would have been.

Sure, maybe the guy has changed. He was in his 40s when he made all these tweets, though. He’s a grown-ass man. I think it’s far more likely that he learned to shut his mouth on social media than his sense of humor changed.

I’m not ignoring the differences between Barr and Gunn. However, what they have in common is that their employer decided it would be easier to disassociate themselves from their problematic (there’s that word again) employee and make them go away than it would be to deal with any fallout. That’s the trend that concerns me, and it’s not a politically left or right thing. I don’t want creative people to feel like they have to act as an official representative of their employer at all times.

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They both have last names with four letters and a repeating last letter.

I don’t think this is a coincidence.

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There’s always a line, what I meant was that even the line differs from case to case. In this case past or present is the line, sure, but in many cases, like sexual assault, past or present doesn’t matter.

The decision has more to do with brand appearances (or it should), in the case of Roseanne if she’s a present day loony and offensive personality that can be a detrimental to conditions working with her.

The politics of it all should be a secondary concern. Whether or not there’s an outrage shouldn’t by itself determine whether there’s punishment. At best the company should already be aware of the issue before the outrage, at worst the outrage should merely bring it to their attention. But the ultimate decision should depend entirely on the situation and offense at hand.

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With the Fox acquisition all but a done deal, what are they going to do with Deadpool? Or Family Guy for that matter?

Cancel the latter, hopefully.

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Also, I think attitudes around jokes of certain kinds have changed dramatically in very recent years, and if Gunn isn’t an asshole (which I don’t know) then he’s actually listened and changed his ways. Which I actually believe is possible for an adult man of any age, but then I’m an optimist.

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Also, I think attitudes around jokes of certain kinds have changed dramatically in very recent years, and if Gunn isn’t an asshole (which I don’t know) then he’s actually listened and changed his ways. Which I actually believe is possible for an adult man of any age, but then I’m an optimist.

Pedo jokes have never been cool and his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

If his tweets were racist, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would believe that he’s a better person now.

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Jay said:

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Also, I think attitudes around jokes of certain kinds have changed dramatically in very recent years, and if Gunn isn’t an asshole (which I don’t know) then he’s actually listened and changed his ways. Which I actually believe is possible for an adult man of any age, but then I’m an optimist.

Pedo jokes have never been cool and his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

If his tweets were racist, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would believe that he’s a better person now.

Well I think pedo jokes have gotten considerably less cool in recent years (though honestly you can still find lots of professional comedic content that still has jokes like that now, not just on Xbox live).

Also, the comparison to racist jokes is more complicated, because not all “racist” jokes are necessarily racist or rooted in racism (with some the target of the joke being racism itself). If they were jokes that displayed that he was racist, then obviously we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But making pedo jokes doesn’t make you a pedo.

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DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

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Also, I think attitudes around jokes of certain kinds have changed dramatically in very recent years, and if Gunn isn’t an asshole (which I don’t know) then he’s actually listened and changed his ways. Which I actually believe is possible for an adult man of any age, but then I’m an optimist.

Pedo jokes have never been cool and his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

If his tweets were racist, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would believe that he’s a better person now.

Well I think pedo jokes have gotten considerably less cool in recent years (though honestly you can still find lots of professional comedic content that still has jokes like that now, not just on Xbox live).

Also, the comparison to racist jokes is more complicated, because not all “racist” jokes are necessarily racist or rooted in racism (with some the target of the joke being racism itself). If they were jokes that displayed that he was racist, then obviously we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But making pedo jokes doesn’t make you a pedo.

So if someone unearths 10,000 race-based jokes on some other entertainer’s social media account tomorrow, you’ll be reviewing those jokes on their own merit and potentially defending them because the jokes weren’t actually “rooted in racism”?

Did Barr’s joke prove her to be a racist? If you believe her story about not knowing the target of her joke was black (and why wouldn’t you…you’re an optimist), then her joke wouldn’t be inherently racist, her apology would have been sincere, and her firing wouldn’t have been justified. Correct?

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When I was revisiting the early years of SNL, (1975-80) the Uncle Roy skits when Buck Henry hosted are hard to watch today. Although it pales compared to what Family Guy or American Dad have done in recent years.

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Well I think pedo jokes have gotten considerably less cool in recent years

When some of Gunn’s jokes were made, Michael Jackson was still alive. I heard pedo jokes about him right up until the day he died.

his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

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Disney empowered alt right trolls at the end of the day.

James Gunn made some terrible, just terrible tweets. I was actually really surprised at how abhorrent some of them were. However…

They were not only made around a decade ago, but James Gunn on his own accord, apologized profusely six years ago to the public. I think it is reasonable to believe that James Gunn has grown as a person based upon his and others words.

Disney did the wrong thing.

EDIT: The whole situation reminds me of when Sam Seder was wrongly fired from MSNBC, as the corporation went with a knee jerk reaction instead of actually doing their research. Seder got hired back once MSNBC regained their sanity. I hope the same can happen with James Gunn. The Guardians movies really are something special in the MCU.

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Well I think pedo jokes have gotten considerably less cool in recent years

When some of Gunn’s jokes were made, Michael Jackson was still alive. I heard pedo jokes about him right up until the day he died.

his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

This is pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

I’m not sure they ever stopped. Pretty sure I saw one somewhere recently.

Since Disney brought Captain Eo back to the parks for a while, I guess they made their corporate collective mind up about MJ.

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They stopped for a month, tops.

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Jay said:

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Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Also, I think attitudes around jokes of certain kinds have changed dramatically in very recent years, and if Gunn isn’t an asshole (which I don’t know) then he’s actually listened and changed his ways. Which I actually believe is possible for an adult man of any age, but then I’m an optimist.

Pedo jokes have never been cool and his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

If his tweets were racist, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would believe that he’s a better person now.

Well I think pedo jokes have gotten considerably less cool in recent years (though honestly you can still find lots of professional comedic content that still has jokes like that now, not just on Xbox live).

Also, the comparison to racist jokes is more complicated, because not all “racist” jokes are necessarily racist or rooted in racism (with some the target of the joke being racism itself). If they were jokes that displayed that he was racist, then obviously we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But making pedo jokes doesn’t make you a pedo.

So if someone unearths 10,000 race-based jokes on some other entertainer’s social media account tomorrow, you’ll be reviewing those jokes on their own merit and potentially defending them because the jokes weren’t actually “rooted in racism”?

As I’ve stated before, I don’t actually work for Disney.

Anyway, my point was that racist jokes are on a spectrum that includes “this person is racist” on one end (and no shit making a large number of them probably indicates that). No amount of pedo jokes makes you a pedo though.

(I’m also skeptical of the 10,000 number, not that it matters of course, it’s gross either way).

Did Barr’s joke prove her to be a racist? If you believe her story about not knowing the target of her joke was black (and why wouldn’t you…you’re an optimist), then her joke wouldn’t be inherently racist, her apology would have been sincere, and her firing wouldn’t have been justified. Correct?

If that was an isolated incident for Barr, I’d be on a different side of that particular debate.

As for my “optimism” statement, I would think it obvious what I meant, but I guess I need to explain it to you. As an optimist I believe in general that people can grow and mature. I ultimately don’t really know if Gunn has, but his apology at the very least would seem to indicate so. Barr’s, on the other hand… saying “I thought the bitch was white” months later doesn’t exactly seem remorseful to me.

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Also, I think attitudes around jokes of certain kinds have changed dramatically in very recent years, and if Gunn isn’t an asshole (which I don’t know) then he’s actually listened and changed his ways. Which I actually believe is possible for an adult man of any age, but then I’m an optimist.

Pedo jokes have never been cool and his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

If his tweets were racist, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would believe that he’s a better person now.

Well I think pedo jokes have gotten considerably less cool in recent years (though honestly you can still find lots of professional comedic content that still has jokes like that now, not just on Xbox live).

Also, the comparison to racist jokes is more complicated, because not all “racist” jokes are necessarily racist or rooted in racism (with some the target of the joke being racism itself). If they were jokes that displayed that he was racist, then obviously we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But making pedo jokes doesn’t make you a pedo.

So if someone unearths 10,000 race-based jokes on some other entertainer’s social media account tomorrow, you’ll be reviewing those jokes on their own merit and potentially defending them because the jokes weren’t actually “rooted in racism”?

As I’ve stated before, I don’t actually work for Disney.

Nobody said you did. I presented a hypothetical situation and wanted to know how you’d respond in order to see if you’d be logically consistent with the argument you’re making.

Anyway, my point was that racist jokes are on a spectrum that includes “this person is racist” on one end (and no shit making a large number of them probably indicates that). No amount of pedo jokes makes you a pedo though.

(I’m also skeptical of the 10,000 number, not that it matters of course, it’s gross either way).

The 10,000 number is how many tweets he deleted. I’m sure there was some spray-and-pray involved given how quickly he wiped them out.

Did Barr’s joke prove her to be a racist? If you believe her story about not knowing the target of her joke was black (and why wouldn’t you…you’re an optimist), then her joke wouldn’t be inherently racist, her apology would have been sincere, and her firing wouldn’t have been justified. Correct?

If that was an isolated incident for Barr, I’d be on a different side of that particular debate.

Was it an isolated incident for Gunn? He tweeted that garbage for years. How is it that he can post trash well into his 40s and it’s not a pattern of behavior?

As for my “optimism” statement, I would think it obvious what I meant, but I guess I need to explain it to you. As an optimist I believe in general that people can grow and mature. I ultimately don’t really know if Gunn has, but his apology at the very least would seem to indicate so. Barr’s, on the other hand… saying “I thought the bitch was white” months later doesn’t exactly seem remorseful to me.

I wasn’t aware that optimists tended to compartmentalize their optimism into specific areas; you sound more like a realist since you apply your optimism selectively.

Regardless, you’re enough of an optimist to believe Gunn, who posted pedo jokes well into his 40s, can finally grow up, but not enough to believe Barr when she says she didn’t know the target of her joke was black. She made that claim immediately after she got in trouble, not months later, and then issued a more formal and (presumably) heartfelt apology soon after. I haven’t watched the new video.

I don’t really care either way. They both said dumb shit and got fired. I don’t think either should have been, but that’s the world we live in at the moment.

Anyway, I got burned out on all the comic book movies right around Iron Man 2 (or was it 3?) and I have a lot of catching up to do. Do I need to watch everything in order to understand Avengers or are there any movies I can safely skip?

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Jay said:

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Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Also, I think attitudes around jokes of certain kinds have changed dramatically in very recent years, and if Gunn isn’t an asshole (which I don’t know) then he’s actually listened and changed his ways. Which I actually believe is possible for an adult man of any age, but then I’m an optimist.

Pedo jokes have never been cool and his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

If his tweets were racist, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would believe that he’s a better person now.

Well I think pedo jokes have gotten considerably less cool in recent years (though honestly you can still find lots of professional comedic content that still has jokes like that now, not just on Xbox live).

Also, the comparison to racist jokes is more complicated, because not all “racist” jokes are necessarily racist or rooted in racism (with some the target of the joke being racism itself). If they were jokes that displayed that he was racist, then obviously we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But making pedo jokes doesn’t make you a pedo.

So if someone unearths 10,000 race-based jokes on some other entertainer’s social media account tomorrow, you’ll be reviewing those jokes on their own merit and potentially defending them because the jokes weren’t actually “rooted in racism”?

As I’ve stated before, I don’t actually work for Disney.

Nobody said you did. I presented a hypothetical situation and wanted to know how you’d respond in order to see if you’d be logically consistent with the argument you’re making.

It was a joke.

Anyway, my point was that racist jokes are on a spectrum that includes “this person is racist” on one end (and no shit making a large number of them probably indicates that). No amount of pedo jokes makes you a pedo though.

(I’m also skeptical of the 10,000 number, not that it matters of course, it’s gross either way).

The 10,000 number is how many tweets he deleted. I’m sure there was some spray-and-pray involved given how quickly he wiped them out.

Yeah, somehow I doubt he carefully went through and found the exact 10,000 inappropriate tweets and deleted only those.

Did Barr’s joke prove her to be a racist? If you believe her story about not knowing the target of her joke was black (and why wouldn’t you…you’re an optimist), then her joke wouldn’t be inherently racist, her apology would have been sincere, and her firing wouldn’t have been justified. Correct?

If that was an isolated incident for Barr, I’d be on a different side of that particular debate.

Was it an isolated incident for Gunn? He tweeted that garbage for years. How is it that he can post trash well into his 40s and it’s not a pattern of behavior?

Do I need to explain again the difference between pedo jokes vs. racist jokes? (in Barr’s case, there’s a history of absolute lunacy on top of it all)

As for my “optimism” statement, I would think it obvious what I meant, but I guess I need to explain it to you. As an optimist I believe in general that people can grow and mature. I ultimately don’t really know if Gunn has, but his apology at the very least would seem to indicate so. Barr’s, on the other hand… saying “I thought the bitch was white” months later doesn’t exactly seem remorseful to me.

I wasn’t aware that optimists tended to compartmentalize their optimism into specific areas; you sound more like a realist since you apply your optimism selectively.

Optimism does not necessarily equal blind optimism. Though maybe you’re right to some extent, I was once called a optimistic realist once.

Regardless, you’re enough of an optimist to believe Gunn, who posted pedo jokes well into his 40s, can finally grow up, but not enough to believe Barr when she says she didn’t know the target of her joke was black. She made that claim immediately after she got in trouble, not months later, and then issued a more formal and (presumably) heartfelt apology soon after. I haven’t watched the new video.

I never said I believe Gunn. I just said his apology is a lot more believable.

Maybe I’m misremembering but I don’t think the “I thought she wasn’t black” apology came “immediately” after (not to mention that’s not actually an apology, but an excuse). Either way, again there’s a key matter of time. It’s a lot more likely that someone has truly understood the error of their ways when there’s years of perspective in-between. Not saying it’s impossible to realize and comprehend right away, just seems doubtful that’s been the case for Barr.

I don’t really care either way. They both said dumb shit and got fired. I don’t think either should have been, but that’s the world we live in at the moment.

I guess my only question is, do you think there’s ever a case where someone should be fired for dumb shit they said?

Anyway, I got burned out on all the comic book movies right around Iron Man 2 (or was it 3?) and I have a lot of catching up to do. Do I need to watch everything in order to understand Avengers or are there any movies I can safely skip?

You could probably safely skip all but the Avengers films and Captain America: Civil War with only a few minor confusing things. Though then you’d be skipping the best ones.

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I don’t really care either way. They both said dumb shit and got fired. I don’t think either should have been, but that’s the world we live in at the moment.

I guess my only question is, do you think there’s ever a case where someone should be fired for dumb shit they said?

Sure. If Roseanne had a desk job and she compared a black coworker to an ape, she should be fired. If Gunn made pedo jokes at the water cooler on Monday morning before the weekly staff meeting, he should be fired.

Comedians should have more leeway since our entertainment would get pretty dull if everyone got nervous about saying edgy stuff because they might have their sitcom canceled or lose their HBO special. I think Disney’s ownership of a huge percentage of our entertainment combined with the current outrage culture puts us on the road toward homogenized, “family-friendly” entertainment delivered by milquetoast entertainers.

Anyway, I got burned out on all the comic book movies right around Iron Man 2 (or was it 3?) and I have a lot of catching up to do. Do I need to watch everything in order to understand Avengers or are there any movies I can safely skip?

You could probably safely skip all but the Avengers films and Captain America: Civil War with only a few minor confusing things. Though then you’d be skipping the best ones.

I’ve seen everything up to the first Avengers I think. Haven’t seen Civil War, Thor 2 or 3, Dr. Strange, and some others I’m sure.

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