The Marvel Cinematic Universe — Page 41

I quite like the main themes in most of the movies. The Iron Man Three theme is one of my faves. I also like the theme that plays over the ending credits of Age of Ultron (when they show that statue).

LuckyGungan2001 said:

I quite like the main themes in most of the movies. The Iron Man Three theme is one of my faves. I also like the theme that plays over the ending credits of Age of Ultron (when they show that statue).

Oh my I completely forgot. The Iron Man 3 three theme is really awesome!

Oh sweet, Misty Knight.

I’ll miss the 70s blaxploitation angle, but she’s a cool character.

Also I will concede that the Iron Man 3 theme is great, but I wish they’d held onto the original theme from Iron Man.

Just got the civil war steelbook and am very satsitifed. I for one, love the custom art and it’s the first steelbook I have ever owned (normally I just buy regular blu Rays) but it is crafted very nicely. I have watched all the bonus features, deleted scenes, gag reels etc. All that’s left is re watching the film with the commentary track which I am very excited for. Commentaries have always been my favorite form of a bonus feature.

Watched Civil War again this weekend, but started watching it too late so we split it into two. I think my wife is right, the second half is much better than the first half. “When Spider-Man comes in is when it really gets good” are words I never thought I’d hear my wife say, but she said them.

doubleofive said:

Watched Civil War again this weekend, but started watching it too late so we split it into two. I think my wife is right, the second half is much better than the first half. “When Spider-Man comes in is when it really gets good” are words I never thought I’d hear my wife say, but she said them.

It’s such a complex topic. I read the comic series before seeing the movie and the movie just didn’t have the same weight as the comic version (in terms of how widespread the effects of the SRA were and how hard-hitting the catalyst for the act is). Only having eight or so superheroes all in the same supergroup kinda diminished the weight of the film, which I assume is why they went with the more personal angles of Tony and his parents and Steve working to prove that Bucky wasn’t a bad guy. Also everyone picked sides early on and were much more loose with their allegiances.

The first half of the film is a bit slow and weird because they’re really trying to pack a lot of info in, and the second half they finally get down to business. I almost wonder if it shouldn’t have been two films, honestly. But I’m also hoping that the civil war isn’t over by the end of the film and we see more of it in the leadup to Thanos (who is coming after a world where the only people who can stop him are split and half of those are criminals).

I too reread the comic before the movie, and once again after. I think the movie, in many ways, was superior to the comic. With the movie, I was emotionally invested in the characters. In the comic, the characters were all angry caricatures of themselves, with the exception of Peter, who is fine, and Tony, who is now The Ethical Savior of the Marvel Universe. The movie did not provide any clear answer as to who was right, but the comic is pretty clearly trying to say that Tony and his side are right.

suspiciouscoffee said:

I too reread the comic before the movie, and once again after. I think the movie, in many ways, was superior to the comic. With the movie, I was emotionally invested in the characters. In the comic, the characters were all angry caricatures of themselves, with the exception of Peter, who is fine, and Tony, who is now The Ethical Savior of the Marvel Universe. The movie did not provide any clear answer as to who was right, but the comic is pretty clearly trying to say that Tony and his side are right.

Wow, really? I came away from the comic thinking they played Tony off as some kind of suddenly-insane Nazi (which annoyed me). I still think he was right, but I feel like the writers (Mark Millar especially) really didn’t like him and went out of their way to make him unlikable.

I also thought that the whole event started to drag after awhile and it was just people fighting for no reason anymore. This might have been the point, but it still got a bit drawn-out near the end.

I did appreciate that the movie was more ambiguous about who was right, though.

Tyrphanax said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

I too reread the comic before the movie, and once again after. I think the movie, in many ways, was superior to the comic. With the movie, I was emotionally invested in the characters. In the comic, the characters were all angry caricatures of themselves, with the exception of Peter, who is fine, and Tony, who is now The Ethical Savior of the Marvel Universe. The movie did not provide any clear answer as to who was right, but the comic is pretty clearly trying to say that Tony and his side are right.

Wow, really? I came away from the comic thinking they played Tony off as some kind of suddenly-insane Nazi (which annoyed me). I still think he was right, but I feel like the writers (Mark Millar especially) really didn’t like him and went out of their way to make him unlikable.

I also thought that the whole event started to drag after awhile and it was just people fighting for no reason anymore. This might have been the point, but it still got a bit drawn-out near the end.

I did appreciate that the movie was more ambiguous about who was right, though.

Well, when Tony says things like this:

And everyone else is arguing and bickering and fighting (before the law even passes in some cases, as Maria Hill orders Cap gunned down after they argue for a while), I felt like Millar wanted Tony to be the good guy. He wasn’t really, because of things like Thor-clone murdering Goliath (side note: black guy died, buried in chains, all in a book calle Civil War. Bad idea or bad coincidence?), but that’s what Millar’s intent was. IIRC (I can’t find the interview now) Millar even outright said that Tony was correct back in the day.

Perhaps the idea was to make Tony really unlikable but right, and to make Steve really likable but wrong to make it more confusing? You don’t want to agree with Tony but you know he’s right, and you want to agree with Cap but you know he’s wrong. I mean, I definitely agreed with Tony the whole way through, but I also felt a lot of sympathy for Cap’s position (not to get political, but the story often felt like a gun control argument).

In the end the whole deal is kinda Cap’s fault for being so stubbornly unwilling to talk (the What If…? story about what might have happened had he not EMP’d Tony’s armor at the plant certainly frames it that way), and Tony, even though he was right, seems to feel that he was right at the cost of his soul and a lot of his friends (Happy, Pepper, Cap, Peter, Thor [eventually], and a lot more).

Goliath’s funeral was definitely one of Marvel’s signature heavy-handed allegories, especially if you remember the reactions of his family at the funeral.

“Captain America: Civil War” is barely about the Sokovia Accords, its more “What To Do About Bucky?”. “Marvel Comics Civil War” is definitely about the Registration Act. The only thing that really carries over from the comics is the team ups.

I think it’s funny when people complain about the Bucky plot, because that IS the plot of the movie. The Accords are an inciting incident that are barely mentioned after Act 1.

doubleofive said:

“Captain America: Civil War” is barely about the Sokovia Accords, its more “What To Do About Bucky?”. “Marvel Comics Civil War” is definitely about the Registration Act. The only thing that really carries over from the comics is the team ups.

I think it’s funny when people complain about the Bucky plot, because that IS the plot of the movie. The Accords are an inciting incident that are barely mentioned after Act 1.

Very true. I at first didn’t like this but I liked how it played out. From the second tony entered the Russian compound until the end of the fight is some of the best marvel film making has to offer. The script, the music, the action and especially the acting (mainly Downey Jr here). It’s fucking golden. Rips my heart out every time.

Finally sat down and watch the Every Frame a Painting video, and wow. Some of that stuff is blatant ripping off another composer. I can’t even believe that.

But what really blew my mind about the video was that they completely skipped over the lack of themes for the characters. I could forgive the rest of the “bland, uneventful, safe” music in the films if the characters just had themes or motifs that ran through all the films and then all came together in the Avengers films.

Dude dropped that Spider-Man theme though. Good show.

I then started the video Mala linked, but heard in the intro to it about another response to the Every Frame a Painting video, and decided to watch that.

This video contends that temp track copying and the play-it-safe mentality has been around forever, and that the transition from analog to digital is a bigger factor in why all the big blockbusters today sound mostly the same (thanks to Hans Zimmer!). It’s very interesting, but again, he fails to mention what I’ve always felt is the real reason Marvel music isn’t “hummable” or memorable.

Finally got down to Mala’s video, and this guy gets it. This is the exact reason that nobody knows the Marvel music: there’s no continuity. At all. Every new movie comes with new music and established characters don’t have an established or developed theme, they have a new and often totally different theme each film and it seriously makes it like you’re seeing the character for the first time each time.

For all the things Marvel is doing right, they’re doing this so incredibly wrong, and it’s actually a really big deal. If it were up to me, I’d rescore the entire franchise.

Any time I try to think of an MCU theme, by brain just turn on the X-Men theme.