The Marvel Cinematic Universe — Page 15

Okay after rewatching it I am liking the pilot a little better, and there are a lot of good points to this series one of the biggest being the lead, she feels like someone out of the 1940s.

Still I think there are a few writing problems, such as that one scene that feels like something from the beginning of a film about a serial killer. I still think that scene just make Cater look disturbed.  The other big problem is not a problem with the series so much as a problem I personally have with prequels in general and that is the lack of suspense. I mean it even extends to little thing like the scenes between Carter and Jarvis, normally there would be a bit of will they or wouldn't they tension but since we know who she marries thanks to CA2, well even that little bit of fun is taken away.  I am not trying to complain or single this series out in fact this is more of a general complaint and one reason I can't figure out why prequels are so popular these days, since we know exactly how things will turn out there is no tension.  Now add to that the fact that the way Network Tv is made tends to drain tension from the narrative any way by making it pretty easy to tell what is going to happen and you have a real problem when it comes to engaging me and keeping me on the edge of my seat.  Maybe I am just too nitpicky and expecting too much because everyone else seems to love this show.  Still for me it's just decent tv, not must see TV.

Still if that doesn't bother you I say watch it and you will enjoy it.

Oh one minor nitpick. How do people not know who Carter is, I mean there is newsreel footage of the First Superhero looking at her picture in his watch and hundred of people must have seen her get into that action scene with Captain America in the middle of New York.  I am sorry I know this is a stupid thing to think about but I find it hard to believe the press wouldn't have been snooping all around to find out who this woman is.  Then again i don't really buy that her room mate didn't find any of her stuff when he just seems to be sitting in the closet.  Still that is just me, I really don't want to put this series down because it's clear that the makers are trying.  i guess prequels just don't work for me:(

Oh and I saw the preview of Ant-Man and I now know why Edger Wright left.  It's because the studio decided to remove all personality and humor from a concept that only works if it has a sense of humor about it's self and turn it into a generic Batman clone.  This could have been a fun movie but now it's being played as completely dark melodrama without a hint of humor or lightness, as if this is the most serious thing ever put to film.  They have decided to go ultra dark and make their grimiest picture yet out of Ant-Man. I'm sorry but for me you can't go all dark and brooding when you are showing a man riding a fly, it just doesn't work and I bust out laughing.  It looks like a joyless slog that will just be repeating the beat of both The Dark Knight and Green lantern.  I think I will pass. This movie doesn't even look worth the dollar it would cost to rent it from redbox. Marvel could have had a good movie on their hands but they wanted to be like Batman and they killed it, too bad:(

So you are telling me it is okay to murder someone for that?  If someone killed a man in a dinner for doing that you would be fine with the police not arresting anyone?

If she is being harassed there are laws to protect her, call the cops on the asshole. This is not the middle of nowhere and letting people solve their personal problems with violence is exactly how we end up with drive byes in the streets.

Also I wonder if anyone would be cheering if the genders had been reversed?  I have worked service jobs all of my life and I know some people will find this hard to believe given my picture but I have been harassed to the point of having woman and in one case a gay man slap my butt and I never once thought about killing them or threatening their lives. Is that really what i should have done and if I had done that to a woman would you be okay with that?  The problem isn't so much what they wrote as the setting they put it in. Normally when the hero does something like that it is in some lawless area like a frontier town where they are the only protection for a whole group of people. Here it was not the case to it just came of as the actions of someone with massive rage issues.  Not only that but I am not convinced that this would have fixed the problem. If the man really is an abuser to the point where this action is required I have seen what happens next in these type of situations in real life and she didn't solve the problem, all she did was embarrass him and make him mad and that just increases the odds that he will either get violent with her friend(Since Carter can't be there 24/7 to protect her)or he decides to get revenge by going to the police and showing them the marks she would have left on his skin and saying that they were both in on it and then her friend not only gets fired but may end up in jail.

In other words either the actions were not warranted or if they were they would have only made the situation worse. Either outcome does not make Carter look good and since it didn't seem to set up any sort of character or plot arc I am just going to put it down to bad writing.  The character was written well in the rest of the show, but this one scene just really didn't work.

Okay one last thing about that scene in Agent Carter and then I will shut up about it because after all it was only one scene I think if it had not ended the pilot episode it wouldn't have left such an impression on me.  I came up with three solutions that would have made that scene work for me, the first two would allow her to do exactly what she did in the show without coming off as unhinged and the last one would show her using her brains and skills as a secret agent to put the smug bastard in his place.

First that could have made the guy a cop or someone who was connected to say the mayor's office or something to make it clear that reporting what he did was not an option.  Second they could have showed the waitress trying to report what he did and the lazy cops not doing a thing to make it clear this was a situation where there were no other options.

Third earlier in the episode have Carter use a spy camera to take pictures of what the guy was doing and maybe use a mini tape recorder to tape the audio of what he had done and then have her go up to the jerk and have her ask him what his wife would make of those.  Remember back then Divorce was a huge scandal so he would lost standing in the community as well as money so it is highly unlikely he would ever come back there and with the photos in Carter's hands she would have a constant thread that would make sure he never came back.

Any way that is my two cents and I am done with that scene.  Sorry if I upset anyone, that was not my intent.

Agent Carter's pretty good. DrCrow's semi-mysoginistic rants about it are funny too.

How is this mysoginistic?  I just think of female characters no differently then I think of male characters. I also believe the actions of female characters can be questioned the same as male characters, if a male character had done this to a female character I would be saying the exact some thing.  I just don't believe that woman should get a free pass, that is all.  I have said that other then that scene she is well written and I have praised the actress who played her.  Some of my favorite female characters of all time are Leigh from Assault on precinct 13, Sarah Jane Smith from Doctor Who, and Dellenn from Babylon 5 to name just a few. Now I do look at all characters through the same moral lens and don't take their gender or race into account, I judge them all as people and some times I find badly written scenes for all characters including female ones. I have said the guy was a bastard but I think there is a difference between being a bastard who can be handled in any number of ways and being someone who needs to be murdered in the middle of a diner. Now if that makes me a mysoginist then I am a proud misoginist. 

I don't know why I bothered typing all that out, if you had read my last post you would already know this and you would see that I at least put enough thought into this issue to come up with how I would have rewritten it and you would know this if you had read my posts so clearly you are acting me for daring to question the actions of a female character, instead of the content of my posts so there is no point in my arguing with you since you will not read anything I type.

I will instead of just type out what you will read any way.

I am an evil woman hater who beats them to death and then chops them up and leaves the body parts on the side of the road and the police need to put a bullet in my head and you should put me on ignore.

I will be ignoring you from now on and you should do the same so you don't have to read any more of my evil woman hating posts.

Oh and I don't hate the series either.  I have problems with it when it comes to suspense and the way it is written in certain scenes but I don't hate it.

I am still recording every episode and making my own Blurays of it complete with animate menus, chapter breaks, and extras.

Hardly the actions of someone who hates a series for having a female lead I would say.

Here is what you need to understand is once in a while even with my favorite shows and movies I will become fixated on some character moment or plot detail that doesn't bother anyone else but it will bug me because that is how my brain works and it is the sort of thing I think about and rewrite when I am writing. I will then devote a lot of thought to why this one part didn't work for me and how to fix it because that is how my mind works.  It doesn't mean I hate the show or movie or the people behind it, I have done this to Robert Holmes scripts and he is my favorite writer on my favorite show show.

Also I do find it funny that this show that is about how hard it is for a woman to make it in a man's world and that goes over the top some times to show is made in Hollywood a city where woman have an insanely hard time making it as anything put sex pots. Comes from a mostly male production staff, and from Marvel a company that has very few woman in positions of power.  I don't know if I wanted to produce a show where a female lead has a hard time making it in a man's world I think I may hire a few woman to work as writers and producers on the show, but that is just me.  Maybe I am just a bad person and I am sexist and I don't see it but I just find it funny that this show that is preaching about how men keep woman down is being made by a city and a company that keeps woman down, but I guess I am the only one who sees it that way so I will drop the issue now.

Farts.

Fine if you think I am so evil and have nothing to say that is of any value or worth reading that is fine.

You have one chance to remove my woman hating filth from the planet.  If you tell me to I will go out to the kitchen right now and put a knife through my throat and no one will ever have to deal with my evil again, this is a one time only offer.

One thing I will say is that Agent Carter has my favorite theme tune since Psych. So few shows these days have a theme tune let alone a good and catchy one, nice to see one show that gets it.

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Fine if you think I am so evil and have nothing to say that is of any value or worth reading that is fine.

You have one chance to remove my woman hating filth from the planet.  If you tell me to I will go out to the kitchen right now and put a knife through my throat and no one will ever have to deal with my evil again, this is a one time only offer.

Just posting something strange to see if you would check it. But you're not ignoring me anymore, so it doesn't matter.

On your second point, I hope you're being facetious and, if not, I sincerely wish that you seek some psychological help.

I must have missed their names in the credits, well good for marvel for going against the typical Hollywood trends.  I would just like to say again that I did say this is a good show, it has a few scenes that I thought were badly written but I have overlooked worse and it has a problem with creating suspense but that is the same problem every prequel ever made has had so it's nothing that is being done wrong by this show.

Still I find it funny when Hollywood preaches about sexism and yet it is so rare to find woman in power in Hollywood. Yet they preach to people like me who has worked for mostly female bosses and never thought anything of it in fact until this moment when we were talking about it I had never realized that 90% of my bosses have been woman.  I really wish Hollywood would get with the times and employ more woman as writers and producers.

Good for Marvel bucking the trend.

Oh but missing the names bring me to another trend I hate in modern Tv, the fact that the credits are run over the first ten minutes of the show.  I tend to miss them because I am paying attention to what is happening onscreen and not to the tiny text at the bottom. I miss the days when the credits would be run at the end of the show and we were given a chance to read the names of the people who worked on the show.

Sorry this was my screw up, good for Marvel i shouldn't have judged them so harshly.

Tobar said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Still I think there are a few writing problems, such as that one scene that feels like something from the beginning of a film about a serial killer. I still think that scene just make Cater look disturbed.

Having finally gotten to watch the pilot, I have no idea how you interpret things the way you do sometimes. 

 Sometimes?

Does anyone else love that this show goes back to having a great them tune?

Seriously I miss the days of shows having cool opening credits and being able to read the names in them, am I alone in this?

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/spider-man-marvel-sony-movies-1201429508/

Spectacular news! Never thought it would happen.

Yeah, I just read that. Awesome!

I will have said it before and I will say it again. The MCU is really lacking female characters with Super powers who get their own movies, that combined with the fact that I don't want to see the origin story yet again leads me to have this be my dream project, Spider-Girl coming into the MCU.

Have Peter in the movies played by an older actor who got his powers and was a hero in the 70s, he could still be involved in the plots doing science and research stuff while Mayday could have decided to go out there and help save the city after it was attacked in The Avengers. This would explain why we have not heard of Spiderman in the MCU up until know and we wouldn't be forced to sit through the origin yet again.

Plus they could give Peter flashbacks to when he was a hero in the 70s and 80s, so we could still see him in action. I know this will never happen in real life but it's my dream Spiderman film project.