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Very cool to hear. Will also say that I believe episode 12 has important parts aswell by showing that the empire isn’t fully “gone”.

Cool to hear that you may include parts of it as a cold open. As I view it as a “fun” episode, with a few important bits throughout.

Links have been sent out and I am back working on Chapter 4 again. Going to be toying with including Mando Episode 12

WitchDR said:

Would love a link to Chapter 3!

Sent! Made some good progress on Chapter 4 today and also found a great way to include Episode 12 as requested. Check out the updated Change log for details!

Hit me up, sounds interesting!

I was finally able to watch your edit, starting with Chapter 1. I wanted to say that overall I loved this edit, and thought you did a very good job. Though I do have a few criticisms that I hope come across as constructive! As the positives far outweigh any of the negatives.

A Small one that I had was the removal of Mando learning how to ride the Blurg. I didn’t have an issue with this from a story perspective, just that for me from where the scene was cut it felt like… the viewer was missing something. Perhaps it’s cause I’m used to the original, but it felt a bit too much like the scene cut halfway through the middle of a scene to me.

Similarly to this, I liked the idea of the Mudhorn scene change, though this one didn’t work as well for me. It seemed like the Mudhorn “spawned” out of nowhere almost, and some of the cuts have Mando all muddied and beat up, and the next cut has Mando looking clean and uninjured. Perhaps there would be a way to show more of the Mudhorn scenes without the entire Jawa subplot to avoid these few issues mentioned.

The next issue I personally found was on the farm world. I LOVE the idea of what you did here, and it worked 90% of the time for me. It’s possible I just missed what the scene was trying to say. But with the new added context, or I guess removal of context that Mando is supposed to be defending the town, it felt very weird to me that Mando seemed to randomly ask the two men who approached him at night at the Razor Crest for their credits for no reason other than to bring Cara Dune along. It just felt weird that he was able to ask for their credits with nothing in return.

It felt as a viewer as though the two men were “fans” and that they payed him to lie low at their village for what felt like a unknown reason with only the context of this Chapter.

I also found it a bit odd that the Widow at the farm told Mando “thank you” as he finally left. As from what we saw (unless I’m missing something) he didn’t do anything except take payment to lie low there for awhile? and never did anything for them.

Final thing, maybe I’m crazy but it almost feels like there’s some sort of filter over the video itself. I could just be seeing things, or it could be because the file size. I’m unsure but it seems like the colors are different than what’s on Disney+, as well as it seems there’s some Aliasing on small lines.

• a very small thing that’s not really a big issue. Is the credit cards at the end reference now cut scenes. Not a big deal but thought I’d mention everything I could think of.

I hope nothing came across as too critical, as besides those few things I loved every other change and thought it was seamless. I’m especially looking forward to Chapter 2 now!

Peonthegrate said:

I was finally able to watch your edit, starting with Chapter 1. I wanted to say that overall I loved this edit, and thought you did a very good job. Though I do have a few criticisms that I hope come across as constructive! As the positives far outweigh any of the negatives.

Awesome, thanks so much. This seems like exactly the type of feedback I’m looking for when I go back through to release a v2.

A Small one that I had was the removal of Mando learning how to ride the Blurg. I didn’t have an issue with this from a story perspective, just that for me from where the scene was cut it felt like… the viewer was missing something. Perhaps it’s cause I’m used to the original, but it felt a bit too much like the scene cut halfway through the middle of a scene to me.

I took another look and I do agree with you on the scene feeling like something was missing, so I reworked the transition with the visuals and audio. The problem was the abruptness at which Din was walking in the next scene indicating that something had occurred to agitate him, so by changing the shot and soundtrack between the events we no longer see that agitation and feel like we missed something.

https://streamable.com/yhjp4l

Let me know if that looks better to you!

Similarly to this, I liked the idea of the Mudhorn scene change, though this one didn’t work as well for me. It seemed like the Mudhorn “spawned” out of nowhere almost, and some of the cuts have Mando all muddied and beat up, and the next cut has Mando looking clean and uninjured. Perhaps there would be a way to show more of the Mudhorn scenes without the entire Jawa subplot to avoid these few issues mentioned.

In the same way, I have tried to reconstruct some of the shots around here to make the appearance of the Mudhorn more ominous and happen in a way that seems less like it “spawned”. I think the back and forth cuts I added in here help us see that Din notices it first so the viewer has a better clue that something is approaching them offscreen until we see the beast ourselves. I also adjusted all scenes to keep consistency with the armor damage. Again, let me know if this looks better to you.

https://streamable.com/6jegcw

The next issue I personally found was on the farm world. I LOVE the idea of what you did here, and it worked 90% of the time for me. It’s possible I just missed what the scene was trying to say. But with the new added context, or I guess removal of context that Mando is supposed to be defending the town, it felt very weird to me that Mando seemed to randomly ask the two men who approached him at night at the Razor Crest for their credits for no reason other than to bring Cara Dune along. It just felt weird that he was able to ask for their credits with nothing in return.

That’s a good point, I have adjusted the shots and voicelines in this scene to rectify that. It now should appear as though Din is more proactive in his request both to the villagers for housing, and for bringing Cara along as extra protection for Grogu while also giving her the refuge she desires as well. He pays her with his own credits now.

https://streamable.com/5824vq

I also found it a bit odd that the Widow at the farm told Mando “thank you” as he finally left. As from what we saw (unless I’m missing something) he didn’t do anything except take payment to lie low there for awhile? and never did anything for them.

Another good catch, thanks. This scene is easily fixed by simply removing that dialogue and letting them look at each other, wondering what life they could’ve had together. Glad to know this whole village idea worked in general though and with these couple touch ups it should play out without a hitch now!

Final thing, maybe I’m crazy but it almost feels like there’s some sort of filter over the video itself. I could just be seeing things, or it could be because the file size. I’m unsure but it seems like the colors are different than what’s on Disney+, as well as it seems there’s some Aliasing on small lines.

I didn’t do anything with the colors or anything like that, but I can try for a higher quality render next time and see if that does it.

• a very small thing that’s not really a big issue. Is the credit cards at the end reference now cut scenes. Not a big deal but thought I’d mention everything I could think of.

Yep, I’m aware of some inconsistency of credits/intro cards throughout each chapter and will be going through all of those to unify the technical presentation in the v2’s.

I hope nothing came across as too critical, as besides those few things I loved every other change and thought it was seamless. I’m especially looking forward to Chapter 2 now!

Not at all, that feedback was very helpful and I hope the fixes look better. I’ll finish up Chapter 4 soon and then render this v2 once a couple other people leave reviews too.

Wow, definitely much better on the Blurg. No real complaints there I think.

The Mudhorn scene is better for sure, I feel like there’s a few pieces still missing. Mainly with the audio, I feel like the Mudhorn should be making some more noise around the 35 second mark based off of its movements.

• The first time the Mudhorn attacks and knocks over Din feels maybe a bit too abrupt/sudden. That may be unfixable due to the footage available.
  And at around the 1:00 mark there’s virtually no ambient sound coming from the environment or the Mudhorn when he smashes into the wall.

The lodging scene is definitely better as well. I still think it seems a bit odd that the two men seem interested in Mando solely because he’s a Mando which they find interesting I guess. And willfully allow him and Cara to stay without any mention of them being there to protect them or any reason they may want them there in the first place.
though , again this may be difficult to fully flesh out with the footage available. I like the scene of Mando giving Cara the credits much more now also. However it seems weird again to me that he’s paying her to come along for seemingly little reason.
Plus he says “ready for round two” which makes it seem there will be a fight ahead, that never comes.

First off, Chapter 4 is released! See the updated change log and let me know if you want to watch it. I’ve just started on Chapter 5.

Peonthegrate said:

Wow, definitely much better on the Blurg. No real complaints there I think.

Good, I’m happy with the new transition and will finalize that.

The Mudhorn scene is better for sure, I feel like there’s a few pieces still missing. Mainly with the audio, I feel like the Mudhorn should be making some more noise around the 35 second mark based off of its movements.

• The first time the Mudhorn attacks and knocks over Din feels maybe a bit too abrupt/sudden. That may be unfixable due to the footage available.
  And at around the 1:00 mark there’s virtually no ambient sound coming from the environment or the Mudhorn when he smashes into the wall.

I wonder if it’s better to take an entirely different approach to this encounter seeing as there isn’t much establishing footage. My next idea would be for Mando to still enter the cave, but edit it as to not seem like he is intentionally going in there looking for something, but more that it’s just an inconvenient geographical obstacle in his way back on foot without a Blurg. (Hence the reason Kuiil said it was impossible to travel through that land without a Blurg mount)

Should I improve upon that first video above or rock with this cave idea?

https://streamable.com/5lycic

The lodging scene is definitely better as well. I still think it seems a bit odd that the two men seem interested in Mando solely because he’s a Mando which they find interesting I guess. And willfully allow him and Cara to stay without any mention of them being there to protect them or any reason they may want them there in the first place.
though , again this may be difficult to fully flesh out with the footage available. I like the scene of Mando giving Cara the credits much more now also. However it seems weird again to me that he’s paying her to come along for seemingly little reason.
Plus he says “ready for round two” which makes it seem there will be a fight ahead, that never comes.

Ok, I’m taking another crack at this idea a bit too. What I have changed is that now we only hear the farmers talk about having a job but that “We didn’t even tell you what it is yet”, however Mando is interested as soon as he learns about the isolated area. He now does not pay Gina to come as protection, but brings her along generally as a favor as she is looking for refuge too. The pay off in this “job” they do is shown a few minutes later. They now generally help out the village with defensive structures, blaster training, plus Mando gets some more time to bond with the nice lady. Also, in the next scene when Gina references how they’ve been there a few weeks we now have some idea as to what they’ve been up to.

Villager request: https://streamable.com/81371t

Villager job: https://streamable.com/xudy1e

I’ll look at these again hopefully later today. I checked them out yesterday and they were all improvements especially the mudhorn. Ill get back to you though with more details.

I’ll also hopefully give my thoughts about chapter 2 as I saw that a few days ago and absolutely loved it.
I’m especially intrigued about how you handle the books of bobba fett in Chapter 5. As chapter 2 was outstanding I thought.

I’ll get back to you though about notes of chapter 2 as there’s was a few relatively small issues I had. But again. Overall thought chapter 2 was fantastic, and loved the way the story was presented.

Peonthegrate said:

I’ll look at these again hopefully later today. I checked them out yesterday and they were all improvements especially the mudhorn. Ill get back to you though with more details.

Thanks, I appreciate it!

I’ll also hopefully give my thoughts about chapter 2 as I saw that a few days ago and absolutely loved it.
I’m especially intrigued about how you handle the books of bobba fett in Chapter 5. As chapter 2 was outstanding I thought.

Wow, that’s good news actually. I was most concerned about Chapter 2 feeling “off” in some way compared to the others, but it’s good to hear that the overall idea panned out.

I’ll get back to you though about notes of chapter 2 as there’s was a few relatively small issues I had. But again. Overall thought chapter 2 was fantastic, and loved the way the story was presented.

Yeah, a review like the last one would be super helpful. Once I finish up those changes on Chapter 1 and read your notes on Chapter 2 I’ll probably touch those up and re-release before finishing Chapter 5.

Speaking of, this is a hard one to make! How I’m approaching it is that I’m just organizing all scenes into something chronological that makes sense between the Boba/Din stories. Then I’m going through every single scene to cut it into the best version of itself, but then I still have to take the film as a whole and figure out the most compelling cut with all of the scenes. There is a lot of extra footage in this Chapter. Even edited down a good deal (change log is waaaay behind), my original cut without trimming the fat is still over 3 hours so I have some brainstorming to do. There’s a silly amount of Boba “building his empire” content that I think will help do the trick when I remove as my initial plan is to present Boba as already being relatively established as Daimyo compared to the D+ version.

Interesting ideas, I haven’t seen Smudgers version as of yet. But he may have some good ideas already present in his edit you could look into.

I have seen the finale part of his edit and personally did love how he handled it. With removing the mechanic lady, and by extension grogu from the finale, and minimizing the mayor and some of the akward mods scenes, I think it did wonders for the finale.

Alright, back to the feedback on the clips of Episode 1:

Like I think I said earlier, the Mudhorn scene works a lot better now. I don’t think I got any real complaints there.

For “Villager lodging fix2” I think this works much better also. I’m unsure if this can be fixed, but the only semi-complaint I have here now is the last 20 seconds or so feel a bit sudden/rushed maybe. Basically everything after Mando says “I need one more thing.” Though part of me like how it feels fast. I’m unsure.

Now for the “Villager Job” I think this is better than what was previous done. Though part of me still feels a little off about it, but this may be because I’m used to the Disney+ version. I’m not much of a editor/film maker, so this may sound terrible in practice, but part of me is curious what the montage may sound like with the music but also with some background sound effects that were originally present.

That may not work for a montage type feel that you’re going for though.
I feel like it’s also slightly strange that we see them putting up walls and training and such during the montage, but never see anything come from it if that makes sense. I’m afraid it may feel slightly underwhelming seeing Mando train the village, only for that to be the end of that. Sort of like a lot of build up, with little pay off I’m worried about. This may come across differently though while watching the edit as a whole and not just a 1 minute clip.

I’m curious from a hypothetical standpoint if it may be worth trying to incorporate the raiders in some way, while cutting down a lot of it. Though that may be an avenue not worth exploring.

Overall, first clip is very solid. Second clip is also very solid, though could maybe see if there’s any way to make the end less abrupt potentially to see how it looks. And third clip is an improvement for sure, though I’m curious if other avenues may be worth exploring.

EDIT: Also out of curiosity, will you be using the deep fake for Luke at the end of episode 4 by Shamook?

Update on the project:

I am still currently deep in progress on Chapter 5, but have hit a bit of a wall there with how much there is to do. I am trying to reconceptualize the whole plot with that content and I predict quite a lengthy project time compared to how I was able to complete the first 4 Chapters. So, what I’m going to do now is go back through Chapters 1-4 in the meantime to tidy up any bugs and implement a couple changes. As not many people have even watched past Chapter 2 yet, I feel like I have plenty of time to get back to finishing Chapter 5 long before everyone gets too anxious to see it.

Peonthegrate said:

Alright, back to the feedback on the clips of Episode 1:

Like I think I said earlier, the Mudhorn scene works a lot better now. I don’t think I got any real complaints there.

I’m pretty happy with this too, I think I’ll soft lock it in for now.

For “Villager lodging fix2” I think this works much better also. I’m unsure if this can be fixed, but the only semi-complaint I have here now is the last 20 seconds or so feel a bit sudden/rushed maybe. Basically everything after Mando says “I need one more thing.” Though part of me like how it feels fast. I’m unsure.

Now for the “Villager Job” I think this is better than what was previous done. Though part of me still feels a little off about it, but this may be because I’m used to the Disney+ version. I’m not much of a editor/film maker, so this may sound terrible in practice, but part of me is curious what the montage may sound like with the music but also with some background sound effects that were originally present.

That may not work for a montage type feel that you’re going for though.
I feel like it’s also slightly strange that we see them putting up walls and training and such during the montage, but never see anything come from it if that makes sense. I’m afraid it may feel slightly underwhelming seeing Mando train the village, only for that to be the end of that. Sort of like a lot of build up, with little pay off I’m worried about. This may come across differently though while watching the edit as a whole and not just a 1 minute clip.

I’m curious from a hypothetical standpoint if it may be worth trying to incorporate the raiders in some way, while cutting down a lot of it. Though that may be an avenue not worth exploring.

I do feel like I need to just watch this whole 30 minute segment uninterrupted now with the changes to get a sense of how the pieces are fitting together here, so I’ll get back to you on this. I am definitely onto something with this idea, I just need to make sure there’s nothing distracting in it.

EDIT: Also out of curiosity, will you be using the deep fake for Luke at the end of episode 4 by Shamook?

Yes! Already implemented in my Chapter 4 release

I was really hoping to see the Boba stuff merged chronologically with the Mando stuff, so this sounds great! I’d thought a little about doing something like this (but still as a TV show), but wasn’t sure where to place Boba’s flashbacks. With movies though, you don’t have that problem, and putting them before a “ships in the night” situation via Fennec for your episode 2 seems like a very elegant approach. For episode 5, making BOBF have the Mando content run more concurrently will be really helpful too, so best of luck with that! I wouldn’t worry too much about leaving it as a long movie, so long as the whole is coherent! But there’re probably a few whole plotlines you can cut if you need.

Ok got a little bit of time to dive into Chapter 1 again for another version of those scenes. Here is the village lodging requests with a few changes, notably in slowing down some of the pacing you mentioned, as well as reorganizing/re-timing some of the conversation on the cart again.

https://streamable.com/xrc567

And here is a new montage of the time at the village! I think this one fits a lot more as we don’t have the building of barricades and as much of the “preparing for battle” feeling. Now it’s more peaceful, showing Mando just walking around doing his thing, sharing his “religion” (weapons) with the people, and even hinting at a bit of a love triangle! Let me know if this feels better to you.

https://streamable.com/6l9dbu

If this looks good I think I’m ready to render the v2 of Chapter 1 here and send it out to everyone who has been asking in DMs. Thanks for the support!

Okay cool, I definitely prefer the new montage. As for the cart ride, I now think a combination of fix 2 and 3 would be best.

The opening shot of the cart I prefer for sure, it helps slow the pacing and lets you take in the environment more.
As for the actual “conversation” that Mando has with Cara on the cart, I prefer fix 2. As I can hear where the cuts were done in fix 3, but not in fix 2. So I think a mix would be best. With the opening of fix 3, but the conversation being all fix 2.

Other than that seems mostly all set!

Ok, it’s been implemented and I also went back to start unifying the intro/credits of each film. Chapter 1 v2 is rendering now and I can send out links in a couple hours. Were you able to recall any other feedback from Chapter 2 that you think would help improve it?

I’m planning on hopefully rewatching chapter 2 over the weekend.

But from what I remember there were a few small things I thought could of potentially worked better.

1.in the scene where Fett is gifted the Lizard, his first line of the scene is “you are warriors.”
I remember feeling like the scene would of played out better without that starting line as it felt like the scene started in the middle of a conversation.

Also, though the lizard scene in the D+ version is maybe a little silly. I remember something about the edits take on the whole removal of the lizard felt off. Felt like something was missing. I feel either you could try removing the lizard entirely, or making the lizard come out of his nose like in the original.

I also remember thinking that whenever Boba saves Fennec, that while I never liked the mods scene in the original where they repair her. I think it felt a little odd not seeing any if that in this edit. Perhaps you could show bobba taking her to the modshop but cutting the scene as he enters? Idk I’m just spitballing here, that may not look good in practice.

I think thats about it. Though I could be forgetting something, and I plan on watching it again in a few days hopefully. Overall loved this chapter especially.

Will say the “bigger” of the two issues I had was the lizard scene.

Peonthegrate said:

I’m planning on hopefully rewatching chapter 2 over the weekend.

Oh, thanks! I’m rendering a quick fix edit right now to send you instead.

But from what I remember there were a few small things I thought could of potentially worked better.

1.in the scene where Fett is gifted the Lizard, his first line of the scene is “you are warriors.”
I remember feeling like the scene would of played out better without that starting line as it felt like the scene started in the middle of a conversation.

On a review of the scene I also agree. I changed up the scene order here so we don’t have that line anymore.

Also, though the lizard scene in the D+ version is maybe a little silly. I remember something about the edits take on the whole removal of the lizard felt off. Felt like something was missing. I feel either you could try removing the lizard entirely, or making the lizard come out of his nose like in the original.

I’m not entirely seeing what you are here, but I did alter how the sand was thrown at Boba’s face a bit which might help take some focus off the lizard? I don’t see any reason to think something is missing by not having the lizard come out of his nose since it is no way hinted that it goes in in the first place. But let me know if you have some idea if it still feels off.

I also remember thinking that whenever Boba saves Fennec, that while I never liked the mods scene in the original where they repair her. I think it felt a little odd not seeing any if that in this edit. Perhaps you could show bobba taking her to the modshop but cutting the scene as he enters? Idk I’m just spitballing here, that may not look good in practice.

The problem with the modshop scene as a whole was the massive, unfixable continuity error when they filmed it. This scene takes place in the middle of the night, supposedly right after we see Boba walk up to her in the Mandalorian episode. However, in that same Mandalorian episode, Din comes across Fennec’s body in the morning-afternoon when the suns are bright and shining! So the timeline presented to the viewer is that either Boba waited over 24 hours until the following night to heal Fennec, leaving us with massive questions about why Boba waited so long & how Fennec survived that wound for over a full day bleeding out and cooking in the suns, or that Boba took her to the shop the same night and then placed her still unconscious body back in the sand during the daytime for Din to find in order to trick him…? Neither of those options make sense when you watch a chronological edit, and I truly think the director meant to film that scene as if it happened the same night of the original battle, but forgot about the scene in the Mandalorian where Din finds her body in the daytime.

I also extended the first flashback sequence with additional Kamino footage that I forgot about the first time around.

I think thats about it. Though I could be forgetting something, and I plan on watching it again in a few days hopefully. Overall loved this chapter especially.

Wonderful, this is just a quick fix edit I’m sending out now and will render a full fledged v2 if needed next week.

I haven’t updated the change list or written about it yet, but I’ve made a ton of progress on Chapter 5 and have a brand new story order that I think really helps form a coherent plot out of the messy Boba season. It feels very much in line with my previous work and I’m excited to share more soon. I’m aiming for a release of that sometime next week and will start writing out after the US holiday!