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Very interested in checking these Books out as well. Especially after reading the list of all the edits.
Very interested in checking these Books out as well. Especially after reading the list of all the edits.
Acbagel said:
I will go back through and upgrade the edits to 4k and maybe make some tiny changes, but this update is basically finalized in terms of my storytelling. Books 1-3 are updated and out now, Book 4 should actually be ready tomorrow, and then 5/6 sometime in May.
This does put a smile on my face. Looking forward to it!
“You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view” — Obi-Wan Kenobi
That’s great, thanks for the DM. Yeah I was there on ROTJ’s first showing in Davenport, Ia at the Northpark Mall, (there used to be a theater in the mall) that’s also where I watched Gremlins, Goonies, Popeye, Short Circuit, Karate Kid and Space Camp. I lived in that theater as a kid. I’m downloading the 3rd Book now and hope to get a DM link for the fourth book when its ready, gonna have a great weekend watching this.
Book 4 will release tomorrow! Here are the change log notes to peruse in the meantime:
Book 4: The Way (v3 update)
Shoutout to EddieDean for helping with a lot of ideas for these v3’s! I’ll release Book 4 tomorrow and then move right into continuing work of 5.
(The Mandalorian+BoBF) The Way of Mandalore | A Legends Movie Saga
(The Force Awakens) Heirs of the Force | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
(The Last Jedi) Fate of the Jedi | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
(The Rise of Skywalker) Legacy of the Force | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
I watched your first chapter and it’s overall my favorite feature-length ‘first’ Mandalorian film in terms of overall story and visuals. Just a few suggestions:
I watched your first chapter and it’s overall my favorite feature-length ‘first’ Mandalorian film in terms of overall story and visuals. Just a few suggestions:
Wow! That’s high praise, thanks for that. I am most pleased that you had a good time with it. I hope your experience remains the same through the rest of my saga!
- Love that you kept the opening bounty scene for characterization, but it could be further trimmed. Just cut from them walking to the razorcrest to the ship flying away, and then show Mando freezing him in carbonite and pan out to show all of the frozen bounties - this shows how successful and no-nonsense he is and tees up the offloading scene nicely.
I actually did have it almost exactly how you wrote there, but upon review, I needed just a tiny bit of characterization from the bounty since he reappears later on in the story and it is clear that the viewer is intended to know him. I also edit these movies with the idea that my viewers are going in totally fresh, with no prior knowledge of the episodes as if they are seeing this content for the first time ever. So I really liked the line we get from him about Din not taking his helmet off. That would be the first time we learn about this character trait and it is quite intriguing from the get go.
- Trim down the Jawa + repairs sequence even more if you could. It gets a little slow in the second act.
Was there a scene in particular that seemed to drag on? The credits roll at 1 hour 59 minutes, so I don’t think the overall runtime is an issue, but if there is a specific moment that seems like it should move along I can consider another minor trim.
- I agree that you need a third act after moving the wetlands to film two (the final sequence where they leave Nevaro is the best ‘film one’ ending beat in my opinion, so good idea). But the stakes of the prisoners arc are way too low and we don’t really get the sense that Mando is worried about Grogu if he’s willing to literally leave him in the hands of imperials on the planet. The idea that his interaction with the covert and memories of his own situation as a foundling increase the urgency of the rescue makes more sense. Also, Pershing shouldn’t have access to Grogu for more than a day or so, otherwise they would have the blood they need and Gideon would have no reason to recover him in season 2. I suggest that you have the prisoners episode happen on the way back from Arvala-7 to Navaro. It would still achieve the goal of making it clear that Mando is fed up with bounty hunting, but the catharsis at the end of the arc would be that he gets to go back to Grogu and reckon more with his decision to turn Grogu in.
I think the purpose of Act 2 (Prisoner bounty) is to show the monotony of the life Din is in. The low stakes of just another bounty and another day in the life hammer in his desire for something more, and he is able to later find that in Grogu. Yes, I also wish I had something a little higher stakes to work with, but Mando Season 1 is mostly made of slower side adventures, and I still think the prisoner storyline provides the best look into Din as a person and shows why he is tired of the bounty hunting lifestyle.
I suggest that you have the prisoners episode happen on the way back from Arvala-7 to Navaro.
Unfortunately, this is not an option due to the modifications on Din’s armor throughout the season. I am restricted to a certain order because of the in your face visuals. If I went straight from Arvala to the prisoner heist, Din would instantly appear in the next scene with a full cuirass of beskar armor that he hasn’t even received the materials for yet. I also don’t know how I’d play out why he even goes to do that bounty when he still has Grogu that he needs to turn in.
Also, Pershing shouldn’t have access to Grogu for more than a day or so, otherwise they would have the blood they need and Gideon would have no reason to recover him in season 2 It would still achieve the goal of making it clear that Mando is fed up with bounty hunting, but the catharsis at the end of the arc would be that he gets to go back to Grogu and reckon more with his decision to turn Grogu in.
Well I can do a double bag red blood cell donation in under 10 minutes haha, so I think either way Pershing has time to collect initial samples to begin research. We have no idea what Pershing was exactly doing with the blood or precisely how much he needed. We only know that he needed access to Grogu again because the initial samples were no longer viable to produce the desired results. There are a million different reasons why this could be the case.
Thanks for your feedback and I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the other films as well. I’ll post here again when Book 4 is ready.
(The Mandalorian+BoBF) The Way of Mandalore | A Legends Movie Saga
(The Force Awakens) Heirs of the Force | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
(The Last Jedi) Fate of the Jedi | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
(The Rise of Skywalker) Legacy of the Force | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
Could I please have a link to book 4 when it’s released?
I like you, let us burn things together.
Always for the link!
Great job !!
As always…please send the link for book 4 when available. Finishing up Book 3 this morning.
Just read this whole thread. Very interesting seeing all the changes and loved reading EddieDean’s input - such a brilliant SW mind.
Acbagel, I’d like to see the latest versions of these that you have done, please
And I have a suggestion for season 03, re the Pershing episode. Since many of us agree that it was well-written and handled well, I think enough of it (with some judicious trimming) can work. Cut the ep in blocks and spread the scenes between what is going on in Nevarro/Mandalore, with Mando, Bo-Katan, etc. Then have the final scene in this story be Kane lobotomizing Pershing. That’s your final beat. That is the why of that story. THIS is how awful the Empire is. You can’t escape. You can never escape. Even if you try. Once you’re in, there is no out.
May I have the latest links for Books 1-4, when ready? Thank you for continually updating us and working hard on these films!
The changes sound great, really want to watch this version, could I get the link to Book 4 when its available? Thanks in advance.
May the Book 4th be with you. Links sent!
Just read this whole thread. Very interesting seeing all the changes and loved reading EddieDean’s input - such a brilliant SW mind.
Indeed, Eddie has come in clutch through this whole series, helping me catch bugs in my drafts, pitching new ideas and radical changes. Brings in so much experience from the Clone Wars project he mastered, it’s been great to bounce ideas off him and has improved this saga significantly.
Acbagel, I’d like to see the latest versions of these that you have done, please
And I have a suggestion for season 03, re the Pershing episode. Since many of us agree that it was well-written and handled well, I think enough of it (with some judicious trimming) can work. Cut the ep in blocks and spread the scenes between what is going on in Nevarro/Mandalore, with Mando, Bo-Katan, etc. Then have the final scene in this story be Kane lobotomizing Pershing. That’s your final beat. That is the why of that story. THIS is how awful the Empire is. You can’t escape. You can never escape. Even if you try. Once you’re in, there is no out.
I did have it interwoven throughout the whole film like you mentioned, up until the last episode of Mando Season 3 came out and there was no tie in at all to the larger story. The problem is that I have already intercut Din’s solo adventures and Grogu’s training into an A/B plotline through the first half of the film. Having an A/B/C plot structure with Pershing in there when Pershing never ties back into the A & B plots was super distracting. Which is a shame, because as I’ve said, I really liked those scenes. Maybe I’ll get a new spark of creativity and find a solution, but I need to get a better hold of my Season 3 film top to bottom first. It’s already looking on the ong end and I need to go through everything from scratch and decide what is needed to tell a focused narrative.
(The Mandalorian+BoBF) The Way of Mandalore | A Legends Movie Saga
(The Force Awakens) Heirs of the Force | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
(The Last Jedi) Fate of the Jedi | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
(The Rise of Skywalker) Legacy of the Force | A Star Wars Legends Re-edit
Thank you both for the kind words. It’s been a privilege working with Acbagel, who has impeccable technical skill and a real eye for the fine detail of making each scene feel great.
Acbagel, I really think it’s worth considering making two films. Your early intercutting sounds great, I think you really could close out that sequence with the pirate king content, as it’s such a punctual high that changes the status quo and feels earned.
And while Pershing’s content isn’t massively linked to the main plot, it IS at least foreshadowing for the reveal of Gideon’s clones. I think it could intercut with the remainder of the season to create a fantastic second movie focused purely on the return to Mandalore and Gideon’s role in it. And plus, it would pad the time nicely between the pirate king stuff (we found a home on Nevarro!) with the following stuff (actually, we’d prefer a home on Mandalore!)
I really feel like if you got a rough cut of that together it’d give you the sense that the season really works nicely as two films.
I strongly urge you to consider this!
Am I confused or was the latest version of Book 4 completed?
Anyway, I want to say that Book 2 was your biggest source of improvement in large part because you trimmed a bit more excess from the Boba Fett content. You also managed to make Boba appear much closer to the hardcore bounty hunter that he originally was as opposed to being a bit sad and pathetic. I really hated seeing him abused and dragged around by the sand people. That was an attrocious way to treat his character.
It hurts to say that. I was really looking forward to that show hoping it would add tremendous depth to an interesting character we saw very little of in the OT.
I will stop my brief rant there so this thread does not get sidetracked. Keep up the good work.
May the Book 4th be with you. Links sent!
Just read this whole thread. Very interesting seeing all the changes and loved reading EddieDean’s input - such a brilliant SW mind.
Indeed, Eddie has come in clutch through this whole series, helping me catch bugs in my drafts, pitching new ideas and radical changes. Brings in so much experience from the Clone Wars project he mastered, it’s been great to bounce ideas off him and has improved this saga significantly.
Acbagel, I’d like to see the latest versions of these that you have done, please
And I have a suggestion for season 03, re the Pershing episode. Since many of us agree that it was well-written and handled well, I think enough of it (with some judicious trimming) can work. Cut the ep in blocks and spread the scenes between what is going on in Nevarro/Mandalore, with Mando, Bo-Katan, etc. Then have the final scene in this story be Kane lobotomizing Pershing. That’s your final beat. That is the why of that story. THIS is how awful the Empire is. You can’t escape. You can never escape. Even if you try. Once you’re in, there is no out.
I did have it interwoven throughout the whole film like you mentioned, up until the last episode of Mando Season 3 came out and there was no tie in at all to the larger story. The problem is that I have already intercut Din’s solo adventures and Grogu’s training into an A/B plotline through the first half of the film. Having an A/B/C plot structure with Pershing in there when Pershing never ties back into the A & B plots was super distracting. Which is a shame, because as I’ve said, I really liked those scenes. Maybe I’ll get a new spark of creativity and find a solution, but I need to get a better hold of my Season 3 film top to bottom first. It’s already looking on the ong end and I need to go through everything from scratch and decide what is needed to tell a focused narrative.
Got the links and I want to start watching very soon!!
I realized that I worded it confusingly. My idea was that the final bit with him being lobotomized would tie in with the happy-ish endings the others got. Remembering the sequence, throw Pershing’s in to the mix. Go from like worst to best… so Gideon burns up, then we go to Kane lobotomizing Pershing – his knowledge of what Gideon used his research for (which he talked about to Din about it during their fight) – going with his mind, then to the Mandalorian ceremony, Mando working for Carson, Nevarro, Mando/Grogu on the land. Boom! It’s now all tied together.
Thank you both for the kind words. It’s been a privilege working with Acbagel, who has impeccable technical skill and a real eye for the fine detail of making each scene feel great.
You deserve it.
Acbagel, I really think it’s worth considering making two films. Your early intercutting sounds great, I think you really could close out that sequence with the pirate king content, as it’s such a punctual high that changes the status quo and feels earned.
And while Pershing’s content isn’t massively linked to the main plot, it IS at least foreshadowing for the reveal of Gideon’s clones.
Agreed! And I think my idea above gives the pay-off to the why of his story. As well as really, really bringing home the evils of the Empire at this point.
I strongly urge you to consider this!
What he said!
I’d absolutely adore a link to Book 4. As usual, can’t wait!
Would love to check out Book 4!
A couple more thoughts on making the Pershing plot tie a bit more into a solid movie surrounding the season finale content:
Check out this mandalorian fan edit trailer! https://youtu.be/kQUiHTCTSi0
OK, I watched Book 1 and I haz notes.
First off, this is splendiferous. Absolutely amazing in every way imaginable. This is positively fantastic. I am anxious to see what you do with another go-to because there are tiny issues, but overall, wow, wow, WOW! I’m just in holy-moly town here because WOWZA! Just whoah! This ish is seamless. Seamless editing, but for one or two issues in each of the following areas the music was exquisitely chosen, there were zero continuity errors – which let me tell you is BY FAR the biggest issue I find in most fanedits, even the best of them, and extraneous scenes. I do have some suggestions, but overall, dang, dang, dang. I am just blown away.
I mean, seriously, this is just stupendous work. I can’t wait to watch the rest. (Although based on the ending, I did sneak a quick peek at the beginning of 2 and have a thought/suggestion on that too.) OK, onto the notes, but please, do not take any of these in any way to not think that I’m not flabbergasted by how magnificent a job you did. (I know you won’t based on your response to others, but I still wanted to repeat again how amazing a job you did.)
The flashbacks with the pauldron were way too brief. I just don’t think they’re long enough; in fact, they were so short, I found them distracting. It was like, ‘Was that supposed to be something there? or was there a glitch in the editing?’ I only knew they were flashbacks from reading this.
It didn’t make sense having Din offer to give Kuiil money and tell him “you deserve this.” All we saw was Kuiil barter for a bleurg, one really easy scene of Din figuring out how to ride a Bleurg, and the one scene of them riding together on a pretty vista. That was it. So what did Kuiil do to deserve it? Cutting the offer of money and that line and beginning with the next, I think, would work much better.
Din calls the bounty droid “IG-II” (although the name is cut off, but still he clearly intended to call him that name) when he tells him to stop shooting at him in his first line to him. He has no way of knowing that’s his name. All we saw/he heard was IG announcing he was getting the bounty and his protocol. He didn’t say his name. Plus, that dialogue reads overly familiar, as part of ongoing dialogue. The next line, “I’m in the guild,” might work better as his first line to IG-11, and it makes sense in that situation too.
If you want to trim time, cutting down on more of that gunfight is a way to go. It drags a bit. Not your editing, just the fact that it’s more and more popping up, more shooting, lather, rinse, repeat.
Personally, I’m very glad you kept the Jawas/egg stuff. It seems to get cut a lot. I enjoy that. But, the cut from Kuiil with the face palm about the egg to them in the Jawa tanker is very noticeably an edit cut. Could be smoother.
The mudhorn freeze from Din’s POV is SOOO very good. Powerful AF!
Hmmm, so I know that you mentioned you cut some of Kuiil’s “I have spoken” because he said about a million. I wonder if there was one after he thanked Din for bringing “peace to my valley.” As I was watching it, I really expected an “I have spoken” there and thought it would be beautiful and fitting. And then he didn’t say it. It was disappointing. I know he said it a few sentences later (where it was also fitting, and their goodbye), but without that “I have spoken” after “peace to my valley,” it felt like something was missing. I dunno, maybe that’s just me and he didn’t even say it there and I was just expecting it. Did you cut it? Was it even there? If you did, I would suggest putting that one back.
Including the prison episode stuff was such a fabulous idea – and fabulous job, by the way, in removing Grogu from it because dang, you did good! I know he wasn’t in it much, but still! That job did so much for Din in terms of character development, plus it was a great set piece on its own and showed quite the insight into his past and the awful kind of people he associated with. And the decision to NOT save Grogu before that mission was truly a stroke of genius. It works so dang well. It makes his reasoning for why he goes back just… aaaahhhh! Chef’s kiss! However, I have a few thoughts on perhaps making that whole bit maybe work a bit better.
a) Zero, the droid (I think that was his name), getting the info about Mando’s mission, re: Grogu, can be cut because it’s unnecessary now since the subplot of the droid going after Grogu is gone.
b) I know you had thought of leaving the fate of Mayfield and Quinn(?) ambiguous. I absolutely think you should in this way. Do as you did with Mayfield, end on the scene with Quinn saying “you’re a man of honor.” Cut to Din shooting Zero, then Din in space flying, boom cut to Nevarro. THAT shows him as a man of honor. Which leads to him rescuing Grogu. He (presumably) left the two behind for the NR to deal with, got rid of the droid, and then went back to save Grogu. In other words, there’s no point to go back to point-man big boss, the NR fighters, the boom, blow-up. That’s an extraneous scene with characters that needed follow-through in the episode, but in this format, it’s really not necessary. In fact, you could trim some of the intro of the boss-man with Mando too. Just a thought.
You noticed I took out Kuiil/IG-11 above. We don’t see the fruit of that in this Book, so cut that out and place it somewhere in Book 2, or alternatively place it earlier in the film.* It just really sticks out of place. We are long gone from Kuiil at this point so it really makes no sense to have it here.
*I know you’ve said you’re not sure where you would place it. I was looking and it could be placed right after the scene where Din’s armor is reforged, and before he goes to see Karga if you wanted to keep it in Book 1. Two things being fixed/replaced. Din was talking about the mudhorn, Kuiil was part of the mudhorn experience. IG-11 was a bounty droid, Din is going to the bounty guild bar. So there is a connection all around there.
When Mando is walking to rescue Mando before he gets to the carrier, the music is too sweet. It just doesn’t fit at all. I don’t know, maybe the Mando music would work there. Something else, because that just doesn’t work.
Absolutely gorgeous use of the bbMando flashbacks with the carrier and then intercut with Mando and bbYoda. I was just AGOG! I knew it was coming, but still… dear lord, it WORKED SO WELL!! AAAHHH! SO, SO, SOOO GOOD! However, there should have been a longer beat holding on Mando after the flashback where the music stilled to a softness, a sweet piercing note perhaps and just held before BOOM rising and going into action mode with Mando.
Finally, the ending, I had some issues there. As you have it now, the emotional beat of the ball was just completely lost, we have the ball moment with Grogu aww, but then Din goes to hyperdrive, OK, it’s over, but wait, no, now he’s going into space somewhere else, and then he’s looking at a planet on the display and we’re on the planet. Oh, and now they’re landing. Oh, and here’s some cute Din/BB banter. Aww, cute, ok, they’re checking out the planet. Oh, wait, it’s over? Oh, OK, then. Alright. It just was way too much, too many in a span of like a minute. And it didn’t have that strong of a punch as an ending. And considering how spectacular everything else is, this should have a spectacular ending.
I would suggest instead: Grogu and Din in the cockpit, Grogu and the ball, go to Hyperdrive and into space, SWs theme and THAT is your ending. Period. You’ve got the emotional heartstrings (Grogu and the ball) and then the WHOOSH! of hyperdrive and classic stars of space of Star Wars. Then going into Book 2, begin THAT with the cockpit, looking at the planet, flying over, widow looks up, Razorcrest lands, Mando tells him to stay put, Grogu follows, ‘What the hell?’ they walk out, swipe to young Boba, we get all of that, and then to the village we count as the passage of time as intended by ending Book 1 on this. IMO, that works much better. A lot punchier ending for Book 1, and opens Book 2 ON Mando.
Phew! That was a lot!
So yeah, there you go, still, overall, fantastic. Truly! I’ll get to the others when I have time. Can’t wait. (And I do hope you consider my idea for Pershing in S3.)
Hi, it’s me again! So I watched Book 2 and I have thoughts on this one.
Again, the editing overall is very well done. Alas, I had some issues here. I will say that I do very much appreciate and genuinely love the idea of going back and forth between Mando and Boba’s story here. I think it’s a brilliant idea and I think it absolutely is the best way to tell this story. Any edit that truly is going to condense the Filoniverse simply has to do this or it’s not going to succeed.
Now as I was taking my notes, I essentially found that my main issue was that the cross-cutting and placement of scenes, at least enough of them, wasn’t quite working for me because I feel that there simply wasn’t a connective tissue between enough of the Mando and Boba scenes to explain why a Mando scene was following a Boba scene and vice versa. The flow wasn’t there.
I’ll explain that more in detail in my notes, and as I go along.
I would suggest [for the ending]: Going into Book 2, begin [… in] the cockpit, looking at the planet, flying over, widow looks up, Razorcrest lands, Mando tells him to stay put, Grogu follows, ‘What the hell?’ they walk out, swipe to young Boba, we get all of that, and then to the village we count as the passage of time as intended by ending Book 1. IMO, that works much better. A lot punchier ending for Book 1, and opens Book 2 ON Mando.
You noticed I took out Kuiil/IG-11 above. We don’t see the fruit of that in this Book, so cut that out and place it somewhere in Book 2, or alternatively place it earlier in the film.* It just really sticks out of place. We are long gone from Kuiil at this point so it really makes no sense to have it here.
So having watched Book 2, I think that it definitely would work better to have it begin with Mando checking out Sorgan, heading there, then we go into Boba Fett’s story. As for Kuiil, there really isn’t a place for that to pop up organically in Book 2, but I do think it would work better where I had suggested in my earlier post after the forging scene.
Now regarding the Boba/Mando cross-cutting, one of the other issues (aside from the lack of connective tissue), was the lopsidedness. It was very, very heavy leaning toward Boba and then Mando popped up, and it just was kinda off. So, it was like: a bunch of scenes of Boba, followed by one scene of Mando, a bunch of Boba, then Mando, and then it would switch. There just wasn’t much balance.
One thing that I thought would work better would be to move the 1st Mando scene after Boba was first brought to the Tusken village. That cuts down on the lack of balance in the early going. And then move the second Mando scene ahead of the train attack for two reasons, again the balance, but more importantly, that connective tissue. It was jarring to go from the dead Tusken Raiders to the soft, happy village scene. However, switching it the scene ends with Din talking about his painful past and the Mandalorians saving him, and then watching this community that is welcoming him to Boba being taught to fight by the Tuskens who saved and welcomed him. This creates this beautiful connective tissue.
One odd thing that I noticed. In the first half, I think this was mostly the flashback scenes with Boba, the volume was fairly low in those scenes because when it would switch to the Mando scenes the volume change was really noticeable, like glaringly so. Once we got past the train sequence, that issue went away, but before then, it was really bad. And I hadn’t noticed any volume issues in Book 1 at all.
So, you clearly placed Din meeting Cara at the bar to introduce her and get her to the village. I have a few thoughts here. 1) That was when I first noticed the REALLY obvious volume change. 2) I know you said you cut Grogu sipping the soup because you thought it was too long. Personally, I think that was a mistake. I know it became a meme which may be why you grew annoyed with it, but it really worked in the episode. Moments like that, the close-up on Grogu as he was sipping the soup, it allowed the audience – and Cara and Din to realize – they were being a bit ridiculous. It gave the characters and the show a little bit of time to breathe. By cutting that moment so close, you took that away. It was a light-hearted moment that really worked, for the audience and for the characters. It helped bond Cara and Din. I would highly suggest putting it back in.
The transition from the end of the train scene when the water is rushing onto the Tuskens into the next Sorgan village scene is a bit rough. Maybe a SW wipe? (There aren’t too many of those in this anyway.)
Back to Cara, I don’t see how that conversation in the bar explained Cara being at the village. When we saw her in the village in the next scene, I was like… why is she there? What happened to make her go there in this edit? I knew from watching the show itself, but from this edit, I had no clue why she was there.
And I had no clue why Din wanted to leave the village. I don’t know why he told Cara he was leaving Grogu there, or why he told the widow he wasn’t staying. It just came out of nowhere. He seemed happy and they were settling in good. Then he saw Cara in the bar and they had a fight but then had a good chat, and then suddenly she’s in the village and he’s all I’m going. It just didn’t work for me.
Now, I’m back to the lack of connective tissue with the Boba/Mando scenes. Grogu is staring at the villagers as they’re leaving and then we cut to Boba getting wound up in his ceremonial robes and it seems like there should be some connection there. But there’s none. Or maybe it’s that Grogu is leaving, but Boba is joining? But shouldn’t that be Mando leaving, and Boba joining? See, it’s confusing. There should be something that connects the scenes with this cross-cutting.
When Mando’s ship is shot at before he heads to Tatooine, can you add some line about looking for a nearby planet? Because he mentions losing fuel and then he’s just pushing buttons, switches and then a voice says: “Mos Eisley, bay 3.” It just would make it make more sense. If that line is available.
I know you don’t like Pel (the “weird mechanic lady,”) but cutting off the scene when she told Mando, “I know you said no droids,” felt exactly like that, you were cutting her scene off. I’m sure she said something else after that. Whatever it was, I really think you should keep it because as is, the scene, again, FEELS cut off and abruptly goes into the next Boba scene. Just letting her speak and then the scene breathe a bit to finish out before going into the Boba scene would play much better. (Unless I’m wrong and the scene really did end that abruptly.)
I know you mentioned this, but you were so right: The door shutting with Boba and then the next scene with Mando walking out an opening door was so cool. It worked beautifully. And it might not be thematic, but it still created an awesome connective tissue.
Absolutely gorgeous transition between Din telling Grogu to “stop touching things” and the ship shaking to Cara fighting. Alas, that scene was way, way too short and felt almost superfluous before we jumped into the Boba/Fennec scene.
The “mod” tech showing on Fennec’s stomach totally worked in terms of Boba saving her life without explanation or her being shown taken to get fixed.
I really, really loved the ‘make the baby do the wavy magic hands,’ so I’m sorry you cut that, but I knew you had, so… sigh. 😦
So, personally, I don’t think the last “four stormtroopers?” from Cara needs to be kept. She’d already said it three times.
Here I go with the ending again, sorry. I think you should SW wipe from the darksaber moment with Gideon to Boba and Fennec with him saying “tribes” to the last scene you had with Mando, where we see him with his little tribe, him and Grogu. That way you end on Mando.
So, again, phew! I know it seemed like I had a lot of criticisms, but I still did think you did a lot of amazing stuff. And I love the idea you had, I just think it needs some more finessing. The second half was almost perfect, there were just a few slight tweaks there. And I’m really impressed with what you’ve managed to achieve. Boba does seem more solid, more what I think we all expected he would be like. I have stuff I have to do so I don’t know if I’ll get to the rest tomorrow, but I may try because I really am enjoying your work!!!
OK, so I finished Book 3, time for my notes!
I liked this one. Except for the action-packed beginning, it was a lot slower-paced, but it was good. I liked it. And I have way less notes for this one than the others, LOL!
Hmm, so I was wondering why you don’t have the title at the beginning? Like: Star Wars: The Way of the Mandalore titled the Star Wars way? Or the traditional Star Wars crawl? I ask for a selfish personal reason because I really enjoy these and think I might use them for my version of binge-watching and would like the consistency of the titles like that and the SW crawl, LOL!
The edit of excising the frog lady from the ice spider planet was spectacularly done. Seriously, it was amazeballs. You managed to make that whole section just absolutely, spot-on perfection, from beginning to end with the NW pilots (Carson!) and bbYoda and the spiders and the rescue, and just all of it. SO GOOD!
Oooh, I loved how you went from Boba telling Fennic “don’t touch my buttons” at the Sarlac pit to Mando trying to get Grogu to "touch his buttons’ and fix the Razorcrest and failing miserably. Beautiful connective tissue between those two scenes!
I’m sorry, but placing the Shadow Council scene from Season 03 after the clone lab scene just did not work at all for me. It felt like strikingly, jarringly out of place. There had been a beautiful ebb and flow so far to the edit and then that just was dropped in and it was like… whu? It just really came out of nowhere. Especially with the mention of “I need protection, and we have to get rid of Mandalorians, and Pershing’s research is gone.” I mean, up to the scene prior, all we as the audience knew everyone thought Gideon was dead so WHY would he suddenly need like a ton of continued protection, the covert Mandalorians are all scattered now, and the Pershing message was literally sent 3 days ago where he said ‘I’m still working on it, boss! I’ll do better.’ The scene just does not work at all here. It doesn’t make sense, and it simply stops the flow dead-on.
So I mentioned above how great it was to go from Boba ‘don’t touch my buttons’ at the Sarlac pit to Grogu failing to fix Mando’s ship. We then went to Nevarro, they stuck around while Mando and co. went to check out the cloning facility, etc. came back and then he and Grogu took off. All of this happened… and then we go back to Boba and Fennec STILL at the Sarlac pit? Sure, they could have come back, but it doesn’t read that way. It reads like they’re still there. I would definitely move this scene up.
The scene after Carson talks to Carga and blue dude about the cloning facility when he has a little chat with Cara about her past and how she can help now could (and should, I think) really be cut. It was clearly establishing backstory for the Cara show that we never got. It feels extraneous now because it’s not leading anywhere.
I had a thought watching the Cobb Vance story play out about my pacing/balance issues in Book 2… perhaps it would play out better if there wasn’t cross-cutting between Boba’s story and the Mando Sorgan story? What if the Boba story with the Tusken Raiders played out before his final scene leaving the village, and then we cut to Mando’s Sorgan story and that played, then have Boba’s final scene where he comes to the burnt out village, buries and leaves, cut to the Mando, the shooting, and him leaving. I dunno, just a thought.
I was a little confused at Boba aiming at Mando in the desert and then him walking away but I think that was from the show. Yes? No?
So, back to Pel and you wanting to cut some of her quirkiness, I’m gonna stand up for another bit with her. When she told Mando about taking on a passenger and he asked her if she could trust the passenger and Pel said “with my life,” you just cut the scene there. I remember that it came up then in convo that Pel had just met her like a half-hour ago, and Mando was like ‘really?’ and Pel was like ‘hey, I’m a good judge of character.’ I think keeping that in is important for two reasons. 1) It’s the show telling us through Pel’s words and then showing us through the fish lady’s words/actions that Pel IS a good judge of character which means that since she thinks so highly of Din, hey, we are right to think highly of him as well. And 2) Since Din and fish lady are good people that Pel is good people too so we can trust her in any/all situations that come up with her. In other words, it’s a small little “show” moment that has long-ranging ramifications for the character.
Speaking of the fish lady, I really do think you should keep more of her story. There were some really beautiful conversations between her and Mando, and why it was so important for her to make this journey. I think they should be kept for a few reasons. 1) This Book is light on character depth/development. 2) They are really well-written scenes, and the fish lady was a well-written one-off character. 3) Mando brings Grogu back to her to watch and spending more time with this character, and Mando knowing her better explains why he would trust Grogu with her, 4) that whole section felt quite rushed, especially in comparison to the lengthy Cobb Vance section, and substantial enough Mandalorian section. This gives it all more room to breathe, 5) Mando is trying very hard to bring Grogu to his people, he’s on this mission, and connecting that to this woman who is trying to keep the line of her people alive and flourishing strengthens the overall arc.
I liked the ending. It was simple but powerful. They are off to find a Jedi, a name we know very well, Ahsoka Tano, and Grogu is growing in his power.
Three out of four done. I won’t get to the fourth this weekend. I don’t know how my notes will be received. But here you go. Not as much Boba in this, but for the most part, I was fine with him in the background. I could even see you stretching out his story in Book 2 into Book 3 if you wanted to rework it, but it does work here. Overall, excellent work again.
I finished Books 3 & 4 and love these film edits! Reading @arabian’s comments, I thought I may echo some things. Note, I haven’t watched the Mandalorian show at all, and this is my first time watching the show (via your film edits)!
- Now as I was taking my notes, I essentially found that my main issue was that the cross-cutting and placement of scenes, at least enough of them, wasn’t quite working for me because I feel that there simply wasn’t a connective tissue between enough of the Mando and Boba scenes to explain why a Mando scene was following a Boba scene and vice versa. The flow wasn’t there.
I think Book 2 could use a bit of balancing for pacing between Boba and Mando too. Consolidating the two stories, and reducing the cuts between the two may help it feel less jarring. Maybe even introducing Boba in Book 1 would help with this somehow? The way it is now is good, but because I didn’t know how the two stories were related, it was a bit confusing on first watch. I’m glad their stories actually connect, because I kinda didn’t like any of the Book of Boba scenes, until their stories actually connected.
Book 3 does a much better job tying the two stories together, as they actually share scenes together.
- Oooh, I loved how you went from Boba telling Fennic “don’t touch my buttons” at the Sarlac pit to Mando trying to get Grogu to "touch his buttons’ and fix the Razorcrest and failing miserably. Beautiful connective tissue between those two scenes!
Another thing I noticed for this part, is that Boba says “I can’t see a thing!” entering the Sarlac pit, then immediately turns on the light of their ship. This felt a bit redundant and out-of-character, wouldn’t Boba the brooding and intelligent bounty hunter just turn on the light quietly?
“OMG, it’s so dark inside of this monster rnrn, omg!” turns on flashlight
- I was a little confused at Boba aiming at Mando in the desert and then him walking away but I think that was from the show. Yes? No?
I too was quite confused by this scene. Mando fights a bunch of raiders after being shot by Boba, but then Boba just walks off? Perhaps removing Boba from this scene completely would suffice. Mando gets shot by raiders, and fights them off.
- So, back to Pel and you wanting to cut some of her quirkiness, I’m gonna stand up for another bit with her. When she told Mando about taking on a passenger and he asked her if she could trust the passenger and Pel said “with my life,” you just cut the scene there. I remember that it came up then in convo that Pel had just met her like a half-hour ago, and Mando was like ‘really?’ and Pel was like ‘hey, I’m a good judge of character.’ I think keeping that in is important for two reasons. 1) It’s the show telling us through Pel’s words and then showing us through the fish lady’s words/actions that Pel IS a good judge of character which means that since she thinks so highly of Din, hey, we are right to think highly of him as well. And 2) Since Din and fish lady are good people that Pel is good people too so we can trust her in any/all situations that come up with her. In other words, it’s a small little “show” moment that has long-ranging ramifications for the character.
I too was a bit confused by this character. Pel says “With my life.” then the film cuts to a conversation with a similar fish-person talking to Gideon about tracking Mando. Was the fish-person that Pel trusted telling the Empire of their location, or was it just coincidence that they were talking to a similar fish-person? If this fish lady did have more scenes, it may be good to add them to the film, to show that she can indeed be trusted alone with Grogu. When Mando gave Grogu to her, I thought she was a traitor, but Grogu just plays with their fish lizard baby thingy, safe and sound.
Hey, folks! I’m back after some time traveling for work, you’ve all been popping off with the feedback! Thanks, there’s so much to respond to, I won’t be able to address it all at once but you’ve given me quite a bit to ponder.
Thank you both for the kind words. It’s been a privilege working with Acbagel, who has impeccable technical skill and a real eye for the fine detail of making each scene feel great.
Acbagel, I really think it’s worth considering making two films. Your early intercutting sounds great, I think you really could close out that sequence with the pirate king content, as it’s such a punctual high that changes the status quo and feels earned.
And while Pershing’s content isn’t massively linked to the main plot, it IS at least foreshadowing for the reveal of Gideon’s clones. I think it could intercut with the remainder of the season to create a fantastic second movie focused purely on the return to Mandalore and Gideon’s role in it. And plus, it would pad the time nicely between the pirate king stuff (we found a home on Nevarro!) with the following stuff (actually, we’d prefer a home on Mandalore!)
I really feel like if you got a rough cut of that together it’d give you the sense that the season really works nicely as two films.
I strongly urge you to consider this!
I will indeed consider a 2-movie format for my ending. I am getting closer to working with that content, but still currently in Book 5 material. I haven’t had much time the last few days, but I’ve been trying to sort out which Luke/Grogu scenes to place in Book 5 vs 6. Definitely making progress on some new structure.
Check out this mandalorian fan edit trailer! https://youtu.be/kQUiHTCTSi0
Is this your work? You should probably make your own thread for this and share your ideas with this community. I’d love to follow your progress and watch your vision of this story one day.
OK, I watched Book 1 and I haz notes.
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Arabian, I really appreciate you writing out all of these detailed notes for the first 3 films! That’s some good stuff. I will return to these posts in the near future to consider integrating some of your ideas in a future 4k release. In general though:
Book 1: I will consider altering the ending of this film. The ball into hyperspace scene is just so classic and punchy, it felt like too “easy” of an ending for me haha. That’s why I went with a softer, more peaceful approach with the Sorgan landing. But I’m not 100% sold on it and it is probably best for the first film in a saga to end traditionally like you suggested. And the Kuiil/IG-11 rebuild placement has always given me trouble. It felt unnatural to place it anywhere… Maybe that just means it’s not needed at all in either Book 1 or 2?
Book 2: Regarding the balance of the the Boba screen time vs Din screen time in Act 1. I really don’t know how to entirely solve that as the two need to cross paths chronologically in Act 2. Boba simply has 2x-3x more content to show before they reach this point though. EddieDean and I tried 3 or 4 different iterations of this opening storyline, even experimented with giving Din the full Sorgan raider plot (this just made the movie drag on WAY too long). However, your suggestion about Book 1’s new ending would give me more Din time to play with in Book 2, and some of your notes on the “connective tissue” between scenes might help with this too. I think it’s worth another shot in the future to try to address some of this. Either way though, the Boba v Din screen time balance flips the other way in Act 3 as they didn’t film content in BoBF that takes place here. So right now it’s like Act 1 = Boba heavy, Act 2 = Even Boba/Din, Act 3 = Din heavy. I thought that overall balance of the entire film worked at least.
Book 3:
I finished Books 3 & 4 and love these film edits! Reading @arabian’s comments, I thought I may echo some things. Note, I haven’t watched the Mandalorian show at all, and this is my first time watching the show (via your film edits)!
- I was a little confused at Boba aiming at Mando in the desert and then him walking away but I think that was from the show. Yes? No?
I too was quite confused by this scene. Mando fights a bunch of raiders after being shot by Boba, but then Boba just walks off? Perhaps removing Boba from this scene completely would suffice. Mando gets shot by raiders, and fights them off.
First of all, hello Deagan! What an interesting perspective you bring in watching this content for the first time in my edit. That’s quite an honor for me, and I really appreciate you sharing your views after that unique experience.
To address that quoted scene above, that you and Arabian both mentioned, perhaps I trusted super-nerd knowledge too much here. Boba Fett is the one who fires that shot at Din. You see him aiming the Tusken Cycler rifle from up high in the rocks, and then you hear the iconic crack! that only that type of rifle makes, followed by the signature orange blaster bolt coming from the top left angle that Boba just fired from. He is the one who shoots Din, followed by the raiders then coming in to do the dirty work on the ground. But perhaps if that isn’t clear enough to a first time viewer, I can add another scene of a close up on Boba firing the shot with a muzzle flash so we can actually see it happen. I was wanting to go for an element of surprise, but confusion should never be the end result. So actually, in the original show, Boba just watches Din fight the Krayt Dragon and then walks away. He never intervenes. I wanted to give him some more individual agency and show how he is pursuing his armor which is why I created this new ambush sequence.
- Oooh, I loved how you went from Boba telling Fennic “don’t touch my buttons” at the Sarlac pit to Mando trying to get Grogu to "touch his buttons’ and fix the Razorcrest and failing miserably. Beautiful connective tissue between those two scenes!
Thanks, Arabian, these are instances that I should try and focus more on finding to connect other transitions, especially in Book 2.
Another thing I noticed for this part, is that Boba says “I can’t see a thing!” entering the Sarlac pit, then immediately turns on the light of their ship. This felt a bit redundant and out-of-character, wouldn’t Boba the brooding and intelligent bounty hunter just turn on the light quietly?
“OMG, it’s so dark inside of this monster rnrn, omg!” turns on flashlight
Haha that’s a great point deagan. It does really feel like the script writer is force feeding Boba a line to say rather than something natural to actually deliver here. I can cut that!
I too was a bit confused by this character. Pel says “With my life.” then the film cuts to a conversation with a similar fish-person talking to Gideon about tracking Mando. Was the fish-person that Pel trusted telling the Empire of their location, or was it just coincidence that they were talking to a similar fish-person? If this fish lady did have more scenes, it may be good to add them to the film, to show that she can indeed be trusted alone with Grogu. When Mando gave Grogu to her, I thought she was a traitor, but Grogu just plays with their fish lizard baby thingy, safe and sound.
Oh, very interesting! So these are actually two distinct characters of completely different species. The good frog-lady is a new species, but the Imperial spy is a different species that has been in a decent amount of other Star Wars content. Now, you do have a good excuse here as we only see this spy through that hologram shot so it’s not as clear, but I think on reviewing the appearance of the two characters you can see that they aren’t really alike? Other than changing scene order of this spy scene, I’m not sure how else I could make it more clear, but I don’t think it should be a problem? Is it less confusing after seeing these images though?
Thanks again all, I will get back to some of the other comments at a later date. I want to keep making progress on Book 5 for you!
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