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timdiggerm said:

I’m currently imagining that after the Empire completely crushed the Mandalorians in response to their attempted rebellion (The Purge, as it’s apparently called), the survivors went into hiding. They’re staying hidden, despite the fall of the Empire, because they’re waiting to recuperate some strength before trying to retake their homeworld. They’re too few, too vulnerable 5yr-post-ROTJ.

That’s how it looked to me also. Stay out of the way and grow in strength before staging a return to the mainstream. Makes sense and works within the story.

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Okay I vaguely remember that new Canon of Boba Fett ≠ Mandalorian, thanks RogueLeader.
And yes I can get behind those explanations. I kept wondering why would the Empire be so antagonistic against Mandalorians. Then I recall that, and although not all parts of the KOTOR era are canon, the Mandalorians did spearhead a campaign against the old Republic with devastating consequences. So in my mind, the Empire couldn’t risk any internal or external influence that could have sparked the Mandalorians’ interest in starting another war.

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Yeah, I could imagine there would be inherent fears within the Empire of the fearsome Mandalorians of old wanting to return to power. The Mandalorians have also always been independent, so the Empire trying to control them would inevitably resort to opposition. And the Mandalorians could be a huge threat if they were align with a larger cause like the Rebel Alliance.

A central focus of the Empire’s campaign against them was beskar. Not only is it a valuable resource, but taking away beskar was taking away a central piece of Mandalorian identity: their armor. And if they could wipe away their identity, they could put in place their own regime, which was something we saw in Rebels with the Saxon clan being the Empire’s lapdogs. So this is probably why some Mandalorians take working with the Empire so personally, because that stolen beskar was a part of an effort to destroy their culture.

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I wonder if this storyline is the primary reason Filoni was brought onboard? It’s sort of like how Ronald D. Moore essentially became “The Klingon Guy” at Star Trek, because he was more or less the de-facto expert on their culture after reshaping it through his episodes.

Filoni is that for Mandalorians, probably. Especially since it seems almost like Mandalorians are the Star Wars version of Klingons now.

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Broom Kid said:

I wonder if this storyline is the primary reason Filoni was brought onboard? It’s sort of like how Ronald D. Moore essentially became “The Klingon Guy” at Star Trek, because he was more or less the de-facto expert on their culture after reshaping it through his episodes.

Filoni is that for Mandalorians, probably. Especially since it seems almost like Mandalorians are the Star Wars version of Klingons now.

Filoni is probably on board for a lot of reasons. He’s been part of LFL’s unofficial brain trust since the Disney acquisition, so he was probably going to consult to some extent on this regardless. When you consider that Favreau worked with him on TCW in Mandalorian episodes specifically, it’d have been kinda weird if Favreau hadn’t asked Filoni to have a creative role on the series. All that, plus it sounds like Filoni wanted to dip his toes into live action.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has his own live action series at some point. I’d also imagine his stature within the LFL hierarchy will probably increase as the years go on. The incessant fan speculation that Kennedy will be fired and replaced with Filoni is annoying and laughable, but the truth is Kennedy isn’t young and won’t have her job forever. When she leaves, you have to imagine Filoni would be near the top of the list for a replacement.

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DominicCobb said:

Filoni is probably on board for a lot of reasons.

But I wonder if it’s the Mandalorian thing that was the primary one. Especially considering that’s how Favreau interfaced with Star Wars. Through mandalore, through Filoni.

“Get me the Mandalore guy I was on the cartoon with. He knows what’s up with the Fetts and shit.”

FWIW I don’t see Filoni “ascending” to President of Lucasfilm. Mostly because I don’t get the sense he even wants that. It’s not really a reward, honestly.

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Broom Kid said:

FWIW I don’t see Filoni “ascending” to President of Lucasfilm. Mostly because I don’t get the sense he even wants that. It’s not really a reward, honestly.

I don’t know if it’ll happen or if he wants it, but it will almost certainly be considered.

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I fully expect Filoni to do something about Ahsoka and Sabine searching for Ezra around the same time as The Mandalorian (and I think it would rule if those characters showed up on Mando when that other hypothetical show/miniseries/movie/whatever gets going, a la that one TNG 2-parter where they went to DS9). As for whether or not Dave is a reasonable or probable pick to replace Kennedy at some point, I kind of feel like he’s too much of a writer for that gig. Does that sort of job typically go to a creative?

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joefavs said:

I fully expect Filoni to do something about Ahsoka and Sabine searching for Ezra around the same time as The Mandalorian (and I think it would rule if those characters showed up on Mando when that other hypothetical show/miniseries/movie/whatever gets going, a la that one TNG 2-parter where they went to DS9). As for whether or not Dave is a reasonable or probable pick to replace Kennedy at some point, I kind of feel like he’s too much of a writer for that gig. Does that sort of job typically go to a creative?

Yeah I’ve been waiting since Rebels ended for the announcement of a search for Ezra show. I hadn’t even considered the possibility of Rebels crossing over in live action on Mandalorian. That’d be cool, even if I doubt it. More likely we’d see background characters go back and forth, like Favreau’s new Paz Vizla character from TM. Either way if they do make that show there will have to be some element of crossover, at least insofar as how Mandalore and Mandalorians are treated, considering how big a storyline for Sabine that was towards the end of Rebels.

As for replacing Kennedy, it’s not necessarily a simple answer. It’s not atypical for the head of a production company to be a creative. A germane example would be George Lucas, obviously, but also someone like JJ Abrams and Bad Robot. Of course, Lucas is an example where running the company sort of pulled him away from the creative stuff more and more, and JJ seems to be a little similar where most of his output recently is producing work. But producing can be creative as well, and you can see something like Marvel Studios where Kevin Fiege is sort of the show runner of the MCU (as the producer of all of those movies), as well as the president of the company. That said, LFL is a little unique in that has a number of different facets (ILM, for instance), including future films that won’t be Star Wars (or Indy), in addition to the SW multimedia franchise.

I don’t know what role Filoni would take, were he to get a promotion, but one would think it would be some sort of overall position with a specifically creative bent, whatever title that would end up being (perhaps something like CCO, even if not president). Of course, this is all dependent on what he wants to do, but like I said my point is that he would seem an attractive candidate for such a thing.

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Broom Kid said:

it seems almost like Mandalorians are the Star Wars version of Klingons now.

That’s an insult to the Mandalorians.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Broom Kid said:

it seems almost like Mandalorians are the Star Wars version of Klingons now.

That’s an insult to the Mandalorians.

I’ve heard a lot of people describe the legends Mandos this way, I guess since they make the easiest comparisons as “the warrior race”.

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Dave has been quietly visiting and interacting with all of the directors that have come on to do all of the new films. It’s been my suspicion for years and now it’s confirmed that he’s been gearing up slowly to start working in live action. He even made reference recently in an interview that Kennedy has been shepherding him through the process. Teaming up with Favreau is the perfect next step for him. They’ve been friends for over a decade. Dave showed Jon early Clone Wars footage and Jon showed him some early Iron Man footage at Skywalker Ranch back around 2007.

In their interviews about the Mandalorian they make it clear that the writing of the show is very collaborative. Jon uses Dave as a sounding board and they work out ideas for episodes together before Jon goes off to write them. And now on set, Jon is mentoring Dave on the art of live action filmmaking.

This has been a long thorough process and I’m excited to see what Dave has in store for the future.

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joefavs said:

I fully expect Filoni to do something about Ahsoka and Sabine searching for Ezra around the same time as The Mandalorian (and I think it would rule if those characters showed up on Mando when that other hypothetical show/miniseries/movie/whatever gets going, a la that one TNG 2-parter where they went to DS9). As for whether or not Dave is a reasonable or probable pick to replace Kennedy at some point, I kind of feel like he’s too much of a writer for that gig. Does that sort of job typically go to a creative?

I’ve heard rumors of there being another animated series that would be the spiritual successor to Rebels and The Clone Wars. It’s likely that Sabine, Ezra, and Ahsoka would return in that series, but I’m hoping it isn’t just about that.

I kind of hope that this is another “gap” series, sort of how Rebels and TCW filled the gaps between movies, Series #3 would fill the gap in-between Return of the Jedi and the Force Awakens. I think an animated series would be the perfect way to show the further adventures of Luke, Han and Leia. The show would need a new young protagonist to follow like Ahsoka or Ezra. It could be one of Luke’s students, but having it be Ben Solo would also be a great way to add further weight to his character in the Sequel Trilogy.

We’ve already seen that Dave Filoni likes to introduce Legends material, and combining the story of the OT heroes and the animated heroes would allow for this show to potentially do a soft reboot of Heir to the Empire, or at the very least have the OT heroes encounter Thrawn. The OT heroes interacting with characters like Ahsoka, Ezra and Sabine could be interesting too.

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RogueLeader said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Broom Kid said:

it seems almost like Mandalorians are the Star Wars version of Klingons now.

That’s an insult to the Mandalorians.

I’ve heard a lot of people describe the legends Mandos this way, I guess since they make the easiest comparisons as “the warrior race”.

Maybe it fits Karen Traviss’ Mandos. I wouldn’t know, since I never read that stuff. But the Mandalorians in TCW were far better than the Space Vikings of TNG+.

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RogueLeader said:

joefavs said:

I fully expect Filoni to do something about Ahsoka and Sabine searching for Ezra around the same time as The Mandalorian (and I think it would rule if those characters showed up on Mando when that other hypothetical show/miniseries/movie/whatever gets going, a la that one TNG 2-parter where they went to DS9). As for whether or not Dave is a reasonable or probable pick to replace Kennedy at some point, I kind of feel like he’s too much of a writer for that gig. Does that sort of job typically go to a creative?

I’ve heard rumors of there being another animated series that would be the spiritual successor to Rebels and The Clone Wars. It’s likely that Sabine, Ezra, and Ahsoka would return in that series, but I’m hoping it isn’t just about that.

I kind of hope that this is another “gap” series, sort of how Rebels and TCW filled the gaps between movies, Series #3 would fill the gap in-between Return of the Jedi and the Force Awakens. I think an animated series would be the perfect way to show the further adventures of Luke, Han and Leia. The show would need a new young protagonist to follow like Ahsoka or Ezra. It could be one of Luke’s students, but having it be Ben Solo would also be a great way to add further weight to his character in the Sequel Trilogy.

We’ve already seen that Dave Filoni likes to introduce Legends material, and combining the story of the OT heroes and the animated heroes would allow for this show to potentially do a soft reboot of Heir to the Empire, or at the very least have the OT heroes encounter Thrawn. The OT heroes interacting with characters like Ahsoka, Ezra and Sabine could be interesting too.

I will say as much as I want to see the search for Ezra, I don’t just want Rebels part 2. I definitely think something like a miniseries could work, or perhaps something along the lines of what Rebels did for TCW, where you see the continuing adventures of the characters for the last show as part of a show about new characters.

Part of my likes the idea of following the OT heroes but another part of me is kinda worried they’d fuck that up. I’d probably prefer the OT heroes to show up as background characters as well.

It’s funny that we’re just outright assuming it’ll take place in between ROTJ and TFA, like TM, but honestly it’d be pretty surprising if it didn’t. That’s the ideal spot right now for SW content because you can tie the classic in with the new era, and there’s so many years and very few stories there.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

RogueLeader said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Broom Kid said:

it seems almost like Mandalorians are the Star Wars version of Klingons now.

That’s an insult to the Mandalorians.

I’ve heard a lot of people describe the legends Mandos this way, I guess since they make the easiest comparisons as “the warrior race”.

Maybe it fits Karen Traviss’ Mandos. I wouldn’t know, since I never read that stuff. But the Mandalorians in TCW were far better than the Space Vikings of TNG+.

Well I’m not a big Trek guy but so far that’s how the Mandos are in The Mandalorian.

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I think they could find the right balance for all the characters, but honestly I would rather get the further stories with Luke, Han and Leia in a film/television medium rather than just books or comics. And since Carrie isn’t with us and Harrison and Mark are older now, an animated series would be a great way to do it. Plus, since new movies and live-action shows will likely focus on new stories and characters, a show like this could be the one story that further develops the Skywalker Saga.

But you’re right, a show between ROTJ and TFA is just an assumption, but I guess people assume that because it fits the pattern of TCW and Rebels, and the way Rebels ends implies they’ll continue that post-ROTJ story. But it would make sense to focus on a new set of characters (not necessarily brand new characters), and let the main characters of the previous series be side characters, like Ahsoka and Rex were in Rebels.

Since the post-ROTJ stories about Luke, Han and Leia were such a big part of the old EU, I can see Dave wanted to explore that with a new series.

For what it is worth, this was what was set in a Making Star Wars Podcast back in July:

Jason has heard that there is a new Star Wars animated series in the works which is more central to the story than ‘Rebels’ or ‘Resistance’. Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau are behind the series but it isn’t connected to The Mandalorian. Jason knows more but doesn’t want to say at this time.

If any of that is true, hopefully we’ll find out by Celebratuon.

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As far as the assumed Filoni Search for Ezra show goes, I just want them to delve into all that Unknown Regions weirdness they’ve been hyping since the EU reboot. I’m sure they’ve been building to something with all that, and I assumed they’d deal with it in the movies, but since that’s apparently not the case, I want to see Dave do it on TV rather than relegating it to a book series.

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Do we really need Star Wars: The Search for Ezra? I mean, didn’t he already defeat the Pah-wraiths? 😉

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Surely they also want to do their own version of the original Thrawn trilogy

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timdiggerm said:

Surely they also want to do their own version of the original Thrawn trilogy

I can’t wait to see how Disney eviscerates that beloved classic.

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I don’t think they’re going to do that. Adapt OR Eviscerate it. It worked as a book but I can’t imagine an adaptation working at all. For 1991, in a Star Wars-starved time, it felt right. But it’s never been a trilogy that really FIT with the films, even then, and nothing about the way it plays fits with the movies now, either.

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Considering they seem to have been careful not to retell any stories from the EU (besides when it’s something mentioned in the films, like RO and Solo, where things are done completely differently from the EU), it’s hard to imagine them doing an adaptation of an EU story. But never say never I guess.

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DominicCobb said:

Considering they seem to have been careful not to retell any stories from the EU (besides when it’s something mentioned in the films, like RO and Solo, where things are done completely differently from the EU), it’s hard to imagine them doing an adaptation of an EU story. But never say never I guess.

Give it time. Think about it; you have a very popular story arc and character - so you have a built in audience for it. You have many fans, including myself, who want to see our OT heroes in their prime again. There are many scenes from those books that I would love to see in live-action (Luke’s fight with the Noghri for instance).

As I said years ago in an earlier thread, a mini-series of a dozen episodes or so would better suit The Thrawn Trilogy then trying to compress it all into 3 films.

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theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

Considering they seem to have been careful not to retell any stories from the EU (besides when it’s something mentioned in the films, like RO and Solo, where things are done completely differently from the EU), it’s hard to imagine them doing an adaptation of an EU story. But never say never I guess.

Give it time. Think about it; you have a very popular story arc and character - so you have a built in audience for it. You have many fans, including myself, who want to see our OT heroes in their prime again. There are many scenes from those books that I would love to see in live-action (Luke’s fight with the Noghri for instance).

As I said years ago in an earlier thread, a mini-series of a dozen episodes or so would better suit The Thrawn Trilogy then trying to compress it all into 3 films.

We’ll see. I don’t think it’s an impossibility. Certainly something like the Thrawn trilogy must seem tempting, considering the character is now canon. But do they adapt it as close as they can, considering current canon circumstances? Or do they just do a very vague ‘OT heroes vs Thrown’ sort of thing?

For me, I’m kinda with Broom Kid. Not that big a fan of Zahn’s take on the franchise, so I’d hope if they did tackle it, they’d change some things.