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Scientist working with Werner Herzog is in some way connected to Kamino. Wild, probably wrong theory time: were the remnants of the Empire (precursor to the First Order) trying to clone Palpatine? Perhaps they needed to harvest midi-chlorians from another source?

Or maybe the yadpole itself is a clone (though, of course, I prefer to think Yoda and Yaddle got it on, and that’s why Yaddle left the council).

https://twitter.com/NumidianPrime/status/1194476747485536257?s=20

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I think this Imperial Remnant’s last ditch shot at establishing some dominance comes in the form of a plan to attempt cloning historically force sensitive beings (Yodas) and genetically modifying them somehow, which would, of course, resonate pretty strongly with The Mandalorian, who remembers how a mercenary thief wearing his culture’s stolen armor agreed to a similar bargain before the Clone Wars started - said wars, of course, leaving him a foundling and scarring him for life.

Essentially, Herzog’s character might be asking himself “Why did the Jedi decide to clone a stupid bounty hunter when they could have cloned their greatest master?” and now a Mandalorian bounty hunter has to decide between restoring his honor (and his culture) by honoring this imperial’s requests in return for all the beskar he could want, or denying this imperial the chance to re-establish their rule through the exploitation of this Yadpole, and saving Baby Yoda from being cloned by the Empire’s mad scientists.

Or maybe it’s none of that, who knows.

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I don’t think the timeline makes sense for it to be a clone in response to the Jango clones though.

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Why not? All they have to do is look backwards. “We have access to cloning. What should we clone. What did they clone LAST time they cloned something. What if we cloned something DIFFERENT?”

The show has already gone, and will return again, to Clone War period. It’s a pretty organic throughline if they choose to follow it. “Find me a Yoda” “We need it alive” “Well, even if we get one dead, I’m sure we can do something with it.”

or maybe I’m off entirely. Probably am. But it seems to me like there’s some built-in parallels there if you tie the protecting of this potential Imperial Target to this guy whose life and culture was irrevocably altered by the events of the Clone War.

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Just watched the first episode and here’s my random thoughts. Let’s get the bad out first to end on a positive note.

Minuses:

  • cinematography - didn’t look that great and shaky cam was completely unnecessary and unstarwarsy
  • music was very bland and uninteresting
  • going back to the sound archive, all the same landspeeder/gonk/Garindan/door droid sounds, they couldn’t make any new lines/effects for them?
  • at the same time, Matt Wood’s new blaster sounds continue, the main point in the originals was to make them from real sounds while these sound like something from the synthesizer. Ben Burtt, I miss you
  • the bounty said twice “oh my God”, someone screwed up big time to let this pass through
  • foundlings? did we really need more -lings…
  • Yodaling? not sure how I feel about that, it was a surprise for sure but let’s see how it continues… if it’s Yoda’s baby from time before TPM then I’m out! LOL

Plusses:

  • feels like Star Wars universe if you compare this to older games
  • had fun moments/jokes, including inside jokes like Life Day
  • I liked pretty much all the characters which is saying a lot about new SW characters these days
  • overall, the minuses are merely nitpicks and if this doesn’t get any Filoni’s wolf fantasy or something I see myself enjoying this very much!

And in the time of greatest despair, there shall come a savior, and he shall be known as the Son of the Suns.

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DavidMDaut said:

Scientist working with Werner Herzog is in some way connected to Kamino. Wild, probably wrong theory time: were the remnants of the Empire (precursor to the First Order) trying to clone Palpatine? Perhaps they needed to harvest midi-chlorians from another source?

Or maybe the yadpole itself is a clone (though, of course, I prefer to think Yoda and Yaddle got it on, and that’s why Yaddle left the council).

https://twitter.com/NumidianPrime/status/1194476747485536257?s=20

I’m sort of curious about how tracking forbs work. Basically it is like a GPS to the target’s exact location. How does that work? Is this a creature that was already in their possession and was taken, or are they trying to capture it for the first time? It seems the tracker was able to known which room the target was in, so they are somehow able to isolate its location.

Were the henchman guarding the room actually invested in the baby’s safety, or were they also in it for the money?

Maybe the Yoda’s species’ natural affinity with the Force makes them the best candidates for making Force-sensitive clones, and maybe a Force-sensitive clone army is this remnants long-term plan for reestablishing order. The Yoda species seem to have a very long growth period, but cloning allows for age acceleration, making the idea a bit more feasible maybe. Though honestly I would be surprised if their plan is this straightforward, because all I can picture is them having an army of Force-sensitive gremlins!

At the very least, it seems thatthe Empire’s interest in the Yoda species is on the basis of genetics, and all we know about them is that they might be naturally gifted with the Force. So maybe their genes are the key in creating Force-sensitive clones in general?

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Broom Kid said:

Why not? All they have to do is look backwards. “We have access to cloning. What should we clone. What did they clone LAST time they cloned something. What if we cloned something DIFFERENT?”

The show has already gone, and will return again, to Clone War period. It’s a pretty organic throughline if they choose to follow it. “Find me a Yoda” “We need it alive” “Well, even if we get one dead, I’m sure we can do something with it.”

or maybe I’m off entirely. Probably am. But it seems to me like there’s some built-in parallels there if you tie the protecting of this potential Imperial Target to this guy whose life and culture was irrevocably altered by the events of the Clone War.

I just mean they said it’s 50 years old. Unless that’s just its assumed age and the cloning process makes it age faster.

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Good God, this show was terrible. Terrible. Signed up last night for Disney+ to watch…canceled this morning.

At random:

  1. You like Boba Fett? We got him! What’s that? Boba Fett’s dead? Well, this is Broba Fett! He’s a bounty hunter with the same cool armor! Because all people from a planet enter the same profession!

  2. You like IG-88? We got him! Well, we have IG-11. Same thing. Different number. Also a bounty hunter. Just as good!

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  1. We have doors in this universe that, if you forget your hat and turn back for it, will chop you in half.

  2. Ice sea monster that bites stuff! Lucas loved monsters that live in the water that bite stuff! We’ve got one, too!

  3. What’s the bounty? I’m not telling you! You have to figure that out yourself! All I’m telling you is his age – 50! Why the games? Do you want the guy or not? Why won’t you just tell me? Because if I tell you, it’ll ruin the stupid surprise for the audience!

  4. Roasting Salacious Crumb! And his buddy pitifully trembling in the cage! Can you get any more gratuitously disturbing?

  5. Carbon freezing prisoners! Because encasing them in an extremely heavy material that requires a crane to lift is soooooooo much more efficient than, say, handcuffing him to a pole.

  6. BABY YODA! Or maybe Yoda’s nephew…or something! Because Yoda people have mitichlorians teeming in their blood! Let’s catch a baby and CLONE HIM! Because clones will always make the same decisions and be the same personality as their source! And they’ll always be Force sentient!

I mean, come guys! Snap out of it! They have you in a spell! An evil Disney spell! They’re trying to sell you Baby Yodas at the theme parks! I promise you, this is terrible! Don’t make me burn you with the torch.

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Smoking Lizard said:

Good God, this show was terrible. Terrible. Signed up last night for Disney+ to watch…canceled this morning.

I mean, come guys! Snap out of it! They have you in a spell! An evil Disney spell! They’re trying to sell you Baby Yodas at the theme parks! I promise you, this is terrible! Don’t make me burn you with the torch.

The argument that something being similar to something else makes it bad is just as stupid as the argument that something being similar to something else is good.

Truth be told, I’m not sure how one could have a strong reaction to the episode one way or the other.

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Smoking Lizard said:

I mean, come guys! Snap out of it! They have you in a spell! An evil Disney spell! They’re trying to sell you Baby Yodas at the theme parks! I promise you, this is terrible! Don’t make me burn you with the torch.

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Yeah it seems like the overall consensus is that it did neither anything terribly offending or anything moving.

Point #7 seems weird to gripe about. It would be so plain-jane to dryly say and spell out every plot point all at once. The show had me in the dark most of the time of what the hell was going to happen, in a good way of course.

Also, I found it interesting that no mentions, to my memory, of any planets were displayed/said.

The Rise of Failures

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LexX said:

  • going back to the sound archive, all the same landspeeder/gonk/Garindan/door droid sounds, they couldn’t make any new lines/effects for them?

This was my biggest pet peeve of the episode. Also all the random “Easter eggs” like roasted Salacious Crumb and the Gonk droid.

a trolling bantha

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The Gonk droid sound effect WAS different, wasn’t it?

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Broom Kid said:

The Gonk droid sound effect WAS different, wasn’t it?

Yeah while watching I thought it odd that they recycled the Imperial Spy’s dialog from SW and the gatekeeper droid’s dialog from ROTJ but then recorded new Gonk sounds.

Help finish ROTJ: Revisited!

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TavorX said:

Point #7 seems weird to gripe about. It would be so plain-jane to dryly say and spell out every plot point all at once. The show had me in the dark most of the time of what the hell was going to happen, in a good way of course.

Because it’s corny? Contrived? Stilted? Not a logical way for people to behave?

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Pretty fantastic show. Gives me hope that Star Wars isn’t actually dead, which I have sorely needed.

Can’t wait to see more.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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(It hasn’t happened yet)

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Smoking Lizard said:

TavorX said:

Point #7 seems weird to gripe about. It would be so plain-jane to dryly say and spell out every plot point all at once. The show had me in the dark most of the time of what the hell was going to happen, in a good way of course.

Because it’s corny? Contrived? Stilted? Not a logical way for people to behave?

I see nearly four years away from here has not improved your sunny disposition.

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Smoking Lizard said:

TavorX said:

Point #7 seems weird to gripe about. It would be so plain-jane to dryly say and spell out every plot point all at once. The show had me in the dark most of the time of what the hell was going to happen, in a good way of course.

Because it’s corny? Contrived? Stilted? Not a logical way for people to behave?

…uhh so tell the bounty hunter all the details, and on the off chance he gets captured/interrogated, someone else not beholden to original contract could bargen with that Imperial dude for stipulations he didn’t want to be a part of.

Or given the lack of trust between these two individuals, there’s a chance the bounty hunter could bail out on the mission and decide to sell/leak the information, forfeiting the chance to claim the yadpole.

The Rise of Failures

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TavorX said:

…uhh so tell the bounty hunter all the details, and on the off chance he gets captured/interrogated, someone else not beholden to original contract could bargen with that Imperial dude for stipulations he didn’t want to be a part of.

That’s usually the way it works. If you want someone caught by a bounty hunter or killed by a hitman, you have to identify the person.

I mean, c’mon.

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I like the 70’s spaghetti western feeling parts of the score a lot for this.

I’m waiting for episode 2 this Friday to make any stronger judgements about it, tho. It was honestly just fine for most of it, and the genuinely good wasn’t as good as it could’ve been.

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This is a minor nitpick, but it seems odd that Mando uses carbonite to transport his prisoners when they established in ESB that freezing people in carbonite is likely to kill them. Is it common knowledge that Han Solo was frozen this way?

Beyond that, it was pretty good.

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Cthulhunicron said:

This is a minor nitpick, but it seems odd that Mando uses carbonite to transport his prisoners when they established in ESB that freezing people in carbonite is likely to kill them. Is it common knowledge that Han Solo was frozen this way?

Beyond that, it was pretty good.

There’s wiggle room in that Vader comments on Cloud City’s facility being crude. And there was an episode of TCW where Anakin and company were frozen to infiltrate someplace.

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