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I actually am hoping for a stronger connection to Snoke and Palpatine. It would help explain exactly what happened in his return.

It makes sense to me that after Operation Cinder and the fall of the Empire at Jakku that Gideon was tasked with the job of reviving Palps. It’s a long process. And during that process of Snoke is created or Gideon uses that tech to create new troopers than that’s fun all around.

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I just get the feeling we’re in for a serious tragedy at some point. Something that challenges the characters more than they have been. If the first season is like Star Wars, then maybe the second ends on something darker, along the lines of The Empire Strike Back. Maybe Ahsoka sacrifices herself to save The Child. Maybe Gideon actually obtains The Child and gets away and we’re left wondering his fate as a season ending cliffhanger.

There are only 4 episodes left and I think we’ve seen everything from the trailer at this point.

I wonder if the search for Ezra will be animated or live-action? Maybe those plans hinge on how well received a live-action Ahsoka is.

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Rodney-2187 said:

I just get the feeling we’re in for a serious tragedy at some point. Something that challenges the characters more than they have been. If the first season is like Star Wars, then maybe the second ends on something darker, along the lines of The Empire Strike Back. Maybe Ahsoka sacrifices herself to save The Child. Maybe Gideon actually obtains The Child and gets away and we’re left wondering his fate as a season ending cliffhanger.

There are only 4 episodes left and I think we’ve seen everything from the trailer at this point.

I wonder if the search for Ezra will be animated or live-action? Maybe those plans hinge on how well received a live-action Ahsoka is.

Killing the Child seems completely out of the question to me. That would pretty much kill the entire series for a lot of viewers. However, the idea that Gideon steals the child back as a cliff-hanger is very possible. I also get the idea of Ahsoka sacrificing herself, but I doubt it for two reasons; She doesn’t matter enough to casual fans for her death to mean anything (unless it happens later in the series and she gets a lot of screen-time), and it would be a waste of her potential future animated appearances and I doubt Filoni would approve of it. If she’s going to die it has to really matter and killing her off just shortly after introducing her to a new audience just seems like an odd creative decision.

Also, as neat as a live-action version of Ezra, Thrawn, etc. would be, I don’t think there’s a sufficient market in just the animated series fans to justify an expensive live-action spin off. The Mandalorian has worked so far because characters like Bo-Katan and Cobb Vanth were re-introduced in a way that casual/live-action fans can understand, and they were used in a way that served Din’s arc. I think Ezra’s arc so far would be pretty difficult to incorporate into something new like The Mandalorian. At the very least it would have to a miniseries. More likely I think it will be part of a new animated spin-off/sequel series.

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Rodney-2187 said:

Maybe Gideon actually obtains The Child and gets away and we’re left wondering his fate as a season ending cliffhanger.

I remember something Giancarlo Esposito let on in the Entertainment Weekly article about Gideon ‘spending some one-on-one time with the Child’ so I think it’s certain that the child gets kidnapped at some point, possibly as early as next episode. I know it’s most likely that Ahsoka’s in only one episode and a lot of people, including myself, think it will or should be that way, but after meeting Ahsoka has been built up to this much I think it would be an interesting story decision if Ahsoka was to help Mando rescue the child from the Imperials, possibly in the season finale. This probably won’t happen but it’s still fun to speculate.

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We lost Kuiil and IG-11 last season. No one has died yet this season.

Still on the lookout for Michael Biehn.

I wonder if Ahsoka will have that ship from the end of Rebels.

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It just occurred to me that the Child probably is a strand-cast despite Kuiil’s doubts in Chapter 7. We’ve kind of just taken it for granted that Yoda’s Species has now been established as aging differently from other species and that a 50 year old baby is normal to them, but then I looked up Yaddle (the female Yoda’s Species from TPM) and noticed that not only does she have very youthful features, but she also has brown hair. The Child on the other hand is somewhat wrinkled and has grey hairs just like Yoda. There might actually be something to the theory that Dr. Pershing’s reference to “the original donor” is the not the Child but whoever it was cloned/engineered from.

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Is it significant then that The Child and Anakin were born the same year?

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I just figure that that’s the showrunners & art dept trying to hope everyone forgets the Yoda & Yaddle puppets of TPM

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Rodney-2187 said:

Still on the lookout for Michael Biehn.

Now that we have Dark Troopers, what if he’s Katarn?!?

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ZkinandBonez said:

It just occurred to me that the Child probably is a strand-cast despite Kuiil’s doubts in Chapter 7. We’ve kind of just taken it for granted that Yoda’s Species has now been established as aging differently from other species and that a 50 year old baby is normal to them, but then I looked up Yaddle (the female Yoda’s Species from TPM) and noticed that not only does she have very youthful features, but she also has brown hair. The Child on the other hand is somewhat wrinkled and has grey hairs just like Yoda. There might actually be something to the theory that Dr. Pershing’s reference to “the original donor” is the not the Child but whoever it was cloned/engineered from.

So you’re saying Baby Yoda could literally be a baby clone of Yoda? I personally don’t think this is the case, but at the same time I would love it just for the fact everyone calls him Baby Yoda already. 😂

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I know we’re only half-way through, but who else agrees that season 2 is already even better than the first one? I love season 1 to bits, and I don’t think it’s entirely comparable because season 1 works best as a smaller-scale and self-contained show, but this season already has so many great ingredients. We have great subplots with Bo-Katan hunting the darksaber, these two ‘police officer’-like New Republic pilots following the Razor Crest, Cara Dune possibly rejoining the New Republic, Boba Fett searching for his missing armour, Moff Gideon creating a new army of Dark Troopers, and of course the search for this mysterious Ahsoka Tano. Best part is none of this feels overcrowded to me. Jon Favreau and the Mandalorian creative team (as well as all the Disney overlords) could have said, “well this first season made us a lot of money, let’s review what people like most and try and replicate it”. Instead, they were confident that they could change the scale of the show and make it better, as well as making outlandish decisions, and so far they’ve been true to their word. I appreciate that a lot.

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I dunno, it’s no Pink-Shorts Boom Guy…

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Ed Slushie said:

I dunno, it’s no Pink-Shorts Boom Guy…

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Personally I’m really happy to see what’s clearly meant to be the early signs that lead to Snoke and the First Order. Just what we’ve seen so far has already offered a much needed & satisfying bridge between the end of RotJ & the conflict in the Sequel Trilogy that has puzzled us since 2015. We’re seeing first hand the “ashes of the Empire” from which the First Order rose, and we’re seeing the early attempts to create disfigured, force sensitive beings, so we can finally put two and two together.

The series won’t shift it’s focus to become a lead up to the Sequel Trilogy, it’s still the story of Din & the child first and foremost, but it fits to show things that relate to the Sequel Trilogy, just as much as the constant nods to stuff from the Original Trilogy, the Prequels, the shows etc. I would say it fits even more, considering the period the series takes place in.

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I’m thinking what we see in that tank is definitely meant to be a reference to Snoke. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more references to the sequels, but I feel like Gideon maybe has his own plan. I think he’d rather become the new Emperor than revive the old one so maybe he wants The Child to transfer Force abilities to himself with a transfusion somehow. He doesn’t seem like a Sith cultist and I don’t think he reports to Exegol. He may just be using whatever cloning tech the Empire left behind, but he seems to be making his own power play. Those troops on the wall look like his own project.

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Rodney-2187 said:

I’m thinking what we see in that tank is definitely meant to be a reference to Snoke. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more references to the sequels, but I feel like Gideon maybe has his own plan. I think he’d rather become the new Emperor than revive the old one so maybe he wants The Child to transfer Force abilities to himself with a transfusion somehow. He doesn’t seem like a Sith cultist and I don’t think he reports to Exegol. He may just be using whatever cloning tech the Empire left behind, but he seems to be making his own power play. Those troops on the wall look like his own project.

I’m so mixed on this. It looks like Snoke, it sounds like Snoke (i.e. - the track ‘Snoke’ from TFA) but I still feel like it isn’t Snoke. Someone, possibly SW Explained or Eckhartsladder, said that they don’t feel that Gideon is involved with the First Order at all and it feels like this whole operation was his idea. I’m inclined to agree, and it makes him a better villain, too.

Seriously, on that note, Giancarlo Esposito is on the fast track to playing one of the best villains in Star Wars, ever.

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Looks like Kijimi, a little bit. Probably isn’t, but still cool to see because I loved the production design on Kijimi and wished we’d seen more of it.

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jedi_bendu said:

Rodney-2187 said:

I’m thinking what we see in that tank is definitely meant to be a reference to Snoke. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more references to the sequels, but I feel like Gideon maybe has his own plan. I think he’d rather become the new Emperor than revive the old one so maybe he wants The Child to transfer Force abilities to himself with a transfusion somehow. He doesn’t seem like a Sith cultist and I don’t think he reports to Exegol. He may just be using whatever cloning tech the Empire left behind, but he seems to be making his own power play. Those troops on the wall look like his own project.

I’m so mixed on this. It looks like Snoke, it sounds like Snoke (i.e. - the track ‘Snoke’ from TFA) but I still feel like it isn’t Snoke. Someone, possibly SW Explained or Eckhartsladder, said that they don’t feel that Gideon is involved with the First Order at all and it feels like this whole operation was his idea. I’m inclined to agree, and it makes him a better villain, too.

Both of them have commented on how unlikely it is that this show will tie excessively into the ST, and that its more likely that it will be a minor connection. Gideon’s experiments will probably only be an early link in the chain that will eventually lead to the creation of Snoke and Palpatine’s return. Eckhartsladder also pointed out that its not Snoke’s theme in the latest episode, but rather just a very similar eerie droning theme that is equally similar to the Plagueis theme from ROTS. I also think its wort pointing out that the scar on one of the test subjects’ head is quite different from Snoke’s. It even curves in the opposite direction.

I personally think this is just another case of fans assuming that everything has to be connected. I actually find it kind of funny how we just can’t seem to escape Snoke theories (though at least this one makes a lot more sense than the previous ones).