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jedi_bendu said:

Ooh I have one question: because you were working on a whole fully put-together product, when cutting dialogue, how did it work out with engineering the music? I never noticed any sudden changes in the music, which is why I’m curious.

The music transitions were challenging in some places, in particular when moving from one episode to another.

In scenes with no or very quiet music you can isolate the dialogue from the centre channel to help with music transitions. If the music is louder it’s very difficult.

In three scenes… namely the transitions between episodes 1&2, 2&3 and 3&4 I had to rebuild the audio from scratch using sound effects from other episodes. I then added a completely different music score.

https://vimeo.com/428975097
This clip from 1:00 to 2:30 has a rebuilt audio and is scored using “trashed crest” from episode 2.

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I watched with headphones and I never noticed any audio issues at all.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Hal 9000 said:

I watched with headphones and I never noticed any audio issues at all.

Thanks Hal… it was a painstaking process for some of those music transitions! But definitely worth it.

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I really want to see this! Could you please PM me?

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SandMTV said:

I really want to see this! Could you please PM me?

Done. Hope you enjoy it.

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Fantastic project, thanks for all your hard work, sounds like a real labor of love to get the whole season do to just over 2 hours but it needed to be done so there’s an efficient way to remind yourself of the main story arc. Would love to give it a look before season 2 comes out.

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Just finished watching this, very nice indeed! I didn’t even notice most of the cuts and restructuring.

Obviously the Mudhorn is a sticking point, but I don’t see a good way out of that, but I had a couple of notes for the forest planet Sorgan in case you ever felt like revisiting this project:

  • Move fighter attack on Mando to just before he goes to Sorgan

  • Cut AT-ST plot point and extended battle, instead just show a brief battle on the raider building which ends with the explosive.

  • Have Mando receive transmission telling of final mission before he lifts off from Sorgan to prevent the quick trip back. This may take some creative editing to make it seem like he’s still on the ground.

Anyway, great job all around!

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NeverarGreat said:

Just finished watching this, very nice indeed! I didn’t even notice most of the cuts and restructuring.

Obviously the Mudhorn is a sticking point, but I don’t see a good way out of that, but I had a couple of notes for the forest planet Sorgan in case you ever felt like revisiting this project:

  • Move fighter attack on Mando to just before he goes to Sorgan

  • Cut AT-ST plot point and extended battle, instead just show a brief battle on the raider building which ends with the explosive.

  • Have Mando receive transmission telling of final mission before he lifts off from Sorgan to prevent the quick trip back. This may take some creative editing to make it seem like he’s still on the ground.

Anyway, great job all around!

Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated. Just curious as to how you found the re-scored music transitions. I find it really difficult to self assess re-scored segments after I’ve listened to them so many times during the editing process.

In terms of your points:
I totally agree with the idea of having the Karga transmission on Sorgan. The footage is there to do it… establishing shot of the Razor on Sorgan, shot of Mando putting the child into bed from episode 5, shot of Mando entering the cockpit and sitting down. However, I don’t have the program, skill and patience to rotoscope out the space background from the scene and replace it with a Sorgan background.

If I had been able to do that then I would definitely have moved the space battle to before Sorgan.
I put it between the Sorgan scenes for 2 reasons. Firstly to give a spacer scene between Mando leaving Sorgan and returning. Secondly, his decision to return to Nevarro is one of the 2 major plot points in the series (the other being the rescue of the child), and I wanted to give him a better reason for agreeing to go back into the lion’s den other than the word of Karga. I feel the way I’ve structured it suggests that he wasn’t going to return, but changed his mind after the space attack.

The Sorgan scenes I messed around with a lot, going from heavily edited and shortened, to no editing at all. at first, like you, I wanted to shorten it as much as possible. However, when the whole movie is viewed the structure doesn’t feel right. Chapter 4 has a lot of weight on it because it represents the middle act. When you consider that the first act is half of chapter 1, half of chapter 2 and all of chapter 3, and the final act is chapters 7 and 8. If you edit out half of chapter 4 it just feels too short. It’s not the best episode in the series, but in terms of development of our main characters its pretty important and it hs slower pace to it. Hence I left in as much as I could tolerate.

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I’ve modified the Gideon Cover

and done an inside cover with chapter names




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Isn’t that a post credit sequence now? Seems odd for the cover.

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JakeRyan17 said:

Isn’t that a post credit sequence now? Seems odd for the cover.

It’s one of many. Take your pick.

I’m personally going with this combination.

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Would love a link to this, and you clone wars serie if they are available. Thanks

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You know guys, I like smudgers work so much that I think I will Just wait with watching the s02 of the show until I ll have watched his movie fanedit, So I could watch it without any spoilers and then watch the show as an extended version 🖖🏼

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szopman said:

You know guys, I like smudgers work so much that I think I will Just wait with watching the s02 of the show until I ll have watched his movie fanedit, So I could watch it without any spoilers and then watch the show as an extended version 🖖🏼

You probably shouldn’t. Some of the stuff that Smudger cut from season 1 will seemingly be important in season 2, so you should watch the actual show first.

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Getting excited about Season 2 and would love to relive Season 1. Could you PM details to view? Thanks!

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StarkillerAG said:

szopman said:

You know guys, I like smudgers work so much that I think I will Just wait with watching the s02 of the show until I ll have watched his movie fanedit, So I could watch it without any spoilers and then watch the show as an extended version 🖖🏼

You probably shouldn’t. Some of the stuff that Smudger cut from season 1 will seemingly be important in season 2, so you should watch the actual show first.

Time will tell, but I don’t think I cut anything crucial. I suspect sufficient exposition will be given in season 2.

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smudger9 said:

StarkillerAG said:

szopman said:

You know guys, I like smudgers work so much that I think I will Just wait with watching the s02 of the show until I ll have watched his movie fanedit, So I could watch it without any spoilers and then watch the show as an extended version 🖖🏼

You probably shouldn’t. Some of the stuff that Smudger cut from season 1 will seemingly be important in season 2, so you should watch the actual show first.

Time will tell, but I don’t think I cut anything crucial. I suspect sufficient exposition will be given in season 2.

Well, from what we’ve seen so far, Mando will have to return to Tatooine at some point, and they’ll probably bring the events of episode 5 into it. Also, it seems like the blue guy from the opening scene of episode 1 will be making a return.

So I wouldn’t recommend watching season 2 for someone who has only watched this edit beforehand. But then again, I just don’t like the idea of someone seeing a fan edit before the original source material in the first place.

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StarkillerAG said:

smudger9 said:

StarkillerAG said:

szopman said:

You know guys, I like smudgers work so much that I think I will Just wait with watching the s02 of the show until I ll have watched his movie fanedit, So I could watch it without any spoilers and then watch the show as an extended version 🖖🏼

You probably shouldn’t. Some of the stuff that Smudger cut from season 1 will seemingly be important in season 2, so you should watch the actual show first.

Time will tell, but I don’t think I cut anything crucial. I suspect sufficient exposition will be given in season 2.

Well, from what we’ve seen so far, Mando will have to return to Tatooine at some point, and they’ll probably bring the events of episode 5 into it. Also, it seems like the blue guy from the opening scene of episode 1 will be making a return.

Somewhere he’s been before and someone he’s captured before. Can be sorted by an opening crawl reference, flashback or simple exposition. There weren’t any crucial plot points left open.

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smudger9 said:

StarkillerAG said:

smudger9 said:

StarkillerAG said:

szopman said:

You know guys, I like smudgers work so much that I think I will Just wait with watching the s02 of the show until I ll have watched his movie fanedit, So I could watch it without any spoilers and then watch the show as an extended version 🖖🏼

You probably shouldn’t. Some of the stuff that Smudger cut from season 1 will seemingly be important in season 2, so you should watch the actual show first.

Time will tell, but I don’t think I cut anything crucial. I suspect sufficient exposition will be given in season 2.

Well, from what we’ve seen so far, Mando will have to return to Tatooine at some point, and they’ll probably bring the events of episode 5 into it. Also, it seems like the blue guy from the opening scene of episode 1 will be making a return.

Somewhere he’s been before and someone he’s captured before. Can be sorted by an opening crawl reference, flashback or simple exposition. There weren’t any crucial plot points left open.

Fenic being alive could be simple to explain, but if Peli Motto returns and recognises The Child, that will be harder to explain away since plot gaps have been taken out.

I still think the cuts were necessary, but someone should still watch the full season one before going into season two. Alternatively they can wait for a second film (and potentially a second version of this edit) if those plot points wind up needing more screen time (might be a subplot that gets cut from a second film/season edit anyway).

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StarkillerAG said:

smudger9 said:

StarkillerAG said:

szopman said:

You know guys, I like smudgers work so much that I think I will Just wait with watching the s02 of the show until I ll have watched his movie fanedit, So I could watch it without any spoilers and then watch the show as an extended version 🖖🏼

You probably shouldn’t. Some of the stuff that Smudger cut from season 1 will seemingly be important in season 2, so you should watch the actual show first.

Time will tell, but I don’t think I cut anything crucial. I suspect sufficient exposition will be given in season 2.

Well, from what we’ve seen so far, Mando will have to return to Tatooine at some point, and they’ll probably bring the events of episode 5 into it. Also, it seems like the blue guy from the opening scene of episode 1 will be making a return.

So I wouldn’t recommend watching season 2 for someone who has only watched this edit beforehand. But then again, I just don’t like the idea of someone seeing a fan edit before the original source material in the first place.

I saw the s01 first. I said id wait with the second one until I ll have seen the next fanedit. And why? Because i simply think smudgers version is better.
When I See the sequel, I Just want to feel as watching a New SW movie, at that moment it Will be only important to me, will be enjoying the movie experience. I dont Care bout possible fillers he ll cut on His Way.

And I agree with smudgers, that most of it can be or deduced by audience or mentioned in op crawl 💪🏽

BTW, smudger
Apart from the Mandalorian logo in the opening crawl, my only little “issue” with the edid is the “seven Samurai” ripoff episode. I think you could have cut it as well. Then, when Mando finds the commando Woman again, it could be simply assumed they did a job together in the past, it didnt need any explanation in my opinion. The dialogue itself states they worked together once. Only the line bout what happened on that planet would have to be cut somehow.
But I enjoy the edit more than the show anyway 😀

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szopman said:

StarkillerAG said:

smudger9 said:

StarkillerAG said:

szopman said:

You know guys, I like smudgers work so much that I think I will Just wait with watching the s02 of the show until I ll have watched his movie fanedit, So I could watch it without any spoilers and then watch the show as an extended version 🖖🏼

You probably shouldn’t. Some of the stuff that Smudger cut from season 1 will seemingly be important in season 2, so you should watch the actual show first.

Time will tell, but I don’t think I cut anything crucial. I suspect sufficient exposition will be given in season 2.

Well, from what we’ve seen so far, Mando will have to return to Tatooine at some point, and they’ll probably bring the events of episode 5 into it. Also, it seems like the blue guy from the opening scene of episode 1 will be making a return.

So I wouldn’t recommend watching season 2 for someone who has only watched this edit beforehand. But then again, I just don’t like the idea of someone seeing a fan edit before the original source material in the first place.

BTW, smudger
Apart from the Mandalorian logo in the opening crawl, my only little “issue” with the edid is the “seven Samurai” ripoff episode. I think you could have cut it as well. Then, when Mando finds the commando Woman again, it could be simply assumed they did a job together in the past, it didnt need any explanation in my opinion. The dialogue itself states they worked together once. Only the line bout what happened on that planet would have to be cut somehow.
But I enjoy the edit more than the show anyway 😀

In order for the series to work as a well paced and structured film Mando has to go somewhere between episodes 3 and 7.

So you have a choice between Sorgen and Tatooine. The only reason to use Tatooine is to anticipate it being a big part of season 2.

Sorgen is the best option IMO because it introduces one of our main characters and develops a relationship between her and Mando. It also provides a great deal of character development for Mando and gives details of the Mandalorian culture. It crucially provides a crossroads decision for Mando… he almost decides to stay there and live out his life… and the episode gives a plausible reason for him to risk the child’s life by returning to Nevarro for the finale.

It’s not the best episode, but it fits really well as the slower middle act of a film.

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I got tempted and watched the 2x01 😇

I am already wondering how you Will deal with the second season, there maybe more stuff that are more important, necessary and on bigger Scale than in the s01. You May end up with two Episodes this Time 😀

Whatever happens, please, dont cut the first sequence of the episode, cause its brilliant 😀

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szopman said:

I got tempted and watched the 2x01 😇

I am already wondering how you Will deal with the second season, there maybe more stuff that are more important, necessary and on bigger Scale than in the s01. You May end up with two Episodes this Time 😀

Whatever happens, please, dont cut the first sequence of the episode, cause its brilliant 😀

I’m pretty sure I will need 2 episodes this season. Unfortunately the first scene is already on my cut list. 😃

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smudger9 said:

szopman said:

I got tempted and watched the 2x01 😇

I am already wondering how you Will deal with the second season, there maybe more stuff that are more important, necessary and on bigger Scale than in the s01. You May end up with two Episodes this Time 😀

Whatever happens, please, dont cut the first sequence of the episode, cause its brilliant 😀

I’m pretty sure I will need 2 episodes this season. Unfortunately the first scene is already on my cut list. 😃

C’mon Man, its the most epic stuff in this show So far! 😀

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smudger9 said:

szopman said:

I got tempted and watched the 2x01 😇

I am already wondering how you Will deal with the second season, there maybe more stuff that are more important, necessary and on bigger Scale than in the s01. You May end up with two Episodes this Time 😀

Whatever happens, please, dont cut the first sequence of the episode, cause its brilliant 😀

I’m pretty sure I will need 2 episodes this season. Unfortunately the first scene is already on my cut list. 😃

I’m assuming maybe you will try to blend 1x05 with the first episode of this season? I think you could maybe start the second movie off with them in the middle of hunting down Fennec Shand?