Info: The "Lost Cut" Of ANH — Page 2

StarWarsFan786 said:

 

 How do you mean "Not believing you in the least"?

Basically, what you said may have made a great rumor on my school playground during recess in the pre-internet days, but nowadays it doesn't fly at all.

And why, you might ask?  Because firstly, in this age of worldwide digital awareness there's NO POSSIBLE WAY that such an airing would slip by unnoticed.  Word would leak out onto the internet and spread all over the globe within *minutes*, if not seconds, of the broadcast if even the smallest bit of an unseen shot was shown.  Even if it was only broadcast in Belgium.

Secondly, there is no such cut out there with the scenes all finished and colored in.  Those scenes don't even have finished sound or special effects.  The Biggs scenes in particular were never completed all the way, and have only ever existed in raw form.  So that immediately dismisses all claims from people who think they saw them in the movie, either back in 1977 or more recently.

The only way I could even grant the possibility of what you said is if Belgian TV somehow managed to illicitly broadcast a fan edit like Berndt Doetzer's Final Cut, which is an edit of the movie with bunches of extra material added in, some of it fabricated by the editor.  But even then, word would get out immediately, we would know about it, and the station would likely be targeted for a lawsuit by Lucasfilm's lawyers.

In conclusion, I think your story is made up.  False.  A fabrication.  Nonsense.  Bunkum.  Tummyrot.  To put it more plainly, sir: bollocks!

--SKot

Irregardless of your threats, I call shenanigans!

bkev said:

Irregardless of your threats, I call shenanigans!

Hey Bkev, whats that restaurant you always like to go to that has all that crap on the walls?

Stay off the drugs.

EyeShotFirst said:

bkev said:

Irregardless of your threats, I call shenanigans!

Hey Bkev, whats that restaurant you always like to go to that has all that crap on the walls?

The Krusty Krab?  Its walls ooze green slime...

SKot said:

The only way I could even grant the possibility of what you said is if Belgian TV somehow managed to illicitly broadcast a fan edit like Berndt Doetzer's Final Cut, which is an edit of the movie with bunches of extra material added in, some of it fabricated by the editor. 

 Speaking of which, was this Final Cut ever finished and released?

Erikstormtrooper said:

SKot said:

The only way I could even grant the possibility of what you said is if Belgian TV somehow managed to illicitly broadcast a fan edit like Berndt Doetzer's Final Cut, which is an edit of the movie with bunches of extra material added in, some of it fabricated by the editor. 

 Speaking of which, was this Final Cut ever finished and released?

Berndt's Final Cut was finished, yes, but Berndt himself didn't want to release copies of it to the public.

Obviously he is not on the same wavelength as the rest of the fan editors who have embraced this kind of sharing community.  In my opinion, that is his loss much more than it is ours.

--SKot

'The Lost Cut' is nothing more than the initial rough cut screened in the dailies room to see how the film is hanging together. It will typically be a mix of completed scenes, B&W dailies with just on-set audio, frames with 'insert shot XX here' and so on. These are never really kept or shown to anyone, they are just part of the standard production process. You will never see anything like this anywhere as it would have only existed briefly as a spliced together mess of a thing on 35mm, and then would have been cut back up for the next run-through etc.

The only way this would exist would be if someone stole it on the day.

On people's memories of seeing the biggs scene, seeing Luke throw twice etc. I think with all the bootleg tapes surfacing, we can write those off as memory playing tricks after all these years.

I find it hard to believe (even though I have my own memories of the "She's Beautiful" line being in there, I have to concede that it most likely a manufactured memory) if for no other reason than it would be on one of the bootleg audio recordings or video tapes, and that some of those scenes would require a different score to be cut.

I had a memory of Luke saying to Han, "She's Beautiful" and Han replying "So's life kid", before Luke tries "She's Rich..."

but I reckon it has to be my memory playing tricks, the line would be in one of the bootlegs if it existed.

darth_ender said:

I don't mind whatever quirks it has to it.  I'm interested in seeing a rough cut.  I love every second of additional footage, alternate takes, and all that stuff.  I'm not looking to justify fictional memories; I just want to see something new.

Oh I agree, I'd love to see it for interest's sake, but I was just pointing out that it is highly unlikely that it still existed even back in 1978 let alone later.

It would have been cut up for subsequent edits and lots of it thrown away.

poita said:

'The Lost Cut' is nothing more than the initial rough cut screened in the dailies room to see how the film is hanging together. It will typically be a mix of completed scenes, B&W dailies with just on-set audio, frames with 'insert shot XX here' and so on. These are never really kept or shown to anyone, they are just part of the standard production process. You will never see anything like this anywhere as it would have only existed briefly as a spliced together mess of a thing on 35mm, and then would have been cut back up for the next run-through etc.

The only way this would exist would be if someone stole it on the day.

On people's memories of seeing the biggs scene, seeing Luke throw twice etc. I think with all the bootleg tapes surfacing, we can write those off as memory playing tricks after all these years.

I find it hard to believe (even though I have my own memories of the "She's Beautiful" line being in there, I have to concede that it most likely a manufactured memory) if for no other reason than it would be on one of the bootleg audio recordings or video tapes, and that some of those scenes would require a different score to be cut.

The "Lost Cut" still exists in its complete form in the Lucasfilm archives. It was documented in one issue of Star Wars insider a number of years back. It's only in black and white and silent (although the audio track is also probably buried in the vaults somewhere because we see a section of the lost cut in the deleted cantina scene). Containing 30-40% different footage and David West Reynolds was lucky enough to view it in its entirety. If the missing grappling hook scene ever existed then it would have been in the Lost Cut and he would be the person who could once and for all clear this myth up