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The Lord of The Rings - 35MM GRADED

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Hi everyone,

I’ve been at it for quite some time, and I think I’m finally ready to release my graded versions of the LOTR scans that have been hanging around here.
It has proved a more complicated task than I expected. What started as 1 grade per reel job ended up being a scene by scene, sometimes shot by shot regrade. Not because I wanted to, but because after some time it seemed obvious that the files had been tampered with already and that some sort of grading was applied to them at some point.

As much as I would have loved the grade to be 100% faithful to the original, I don’t think that it would be possible given the material. As I said, the scans seem to have been worked on already, and of top of that some reels have pretty intense shifts going on, plus there’s no other reference to what the original grade looked like, not to mention that those original grades were pretty funky to start with.
What is certain is that the 35mm Fuji prints had a lot more contrast going on that what can be seen on the DVD’s and blurays, which is a good thing in that it makes the picture a lot more vibrant, helps making the vfx compositing a lot more believable. On the other hand, it makes those bold grading choices (and also the color shifts) a lot more obvious, and subsenquently harder to nail, as you always feel like you’re going way over the top.

So what I did was using a “contrasted up” bluray rip as a reference, not to 100% match my grade to it, but just to use a that, a reference. Some shots are very consistent from the 35MM to the bluray, some not so much, especially in FOTR, as the theater realease didn’t use a full Digital Intermediate. When there were obvious difference between the two versions, I just tried to make the 35mm look as good as possible within its palette and relatint to the other scenes on the reel.

I’m ready to share FOTR at the moment, I don’t have a mega account, so I could maybe share it via resilio to someone who could upload it somewhere? I’m away a lot and can’t keep resilio on at all times. If someone wants to help, do reach out!
As said previously, FOTR was the hardest one to deal with. Some bits I’m still not too happy about, but I think they are the parts where the fading was just too bad (The Wizard fight in Orthanc, Arwen meeting Aragorn and the Hobbits and The Shards of Narsil scene come to mind) I’m anxious to know what you all think. I still think this is the best way to experience these movies, the last time I enjoyed watching them that much was 20 years ago in the theater!! This is the real deal, this scan really takes suspension of disbelief to another level!!

EDIT: All three movies are done, here are some updated screencaps:
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How big is it? Have you made the final h265/h264 output? If you haven’t yet, you could Reselio me the ProRes file — I have a computer pretty much dedicated to running Handbrake all the time (would do h265, tuned for grain, slow speed).

If you’ve got the output file already, I’ve got some space on Google Drive, but I can’t leave it there forever. A lot of people just get the cheapest WeTransfer accounts and support the link for a month or two.

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What is the aource used for this grade? I know it’s a 35mm scan but there’s many scans that floating around.

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blakninja said:

What is the aource used for this grade? I know it’s a 35mm scan but there’s many scans that floating around.

I’m only aware of one scan, I got it from Snoopac here on the forum!

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rwzmjl said:

How big is it? Have you made the final h265/h264 output? If you haven’t yet, you could Reselio me the ProRes file — I have a computer pretty much dedicated to running Handbrake all the time (would do h265, tuned for grain, slow speed).

If you’ve got the output file already, I’ve got some space on Google Drive, but I can’t leave it there forever. A lot of people just get the cheapest WeTransfer accounts and support the link for a month or two.

The ProRes files weren’t available so I had to work off a h265. The output file is 90gb, I’ll send you a DM!!

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remsouille said:

The ProRes files weren’t available so I had to work off a h265. The output file is 90gb, I’ll send you a DM!!

Would it be possible for you to release the entire 90gb output file? it’s almost as big as other 4k releases as well. it would be a shame to see the quality degraded further (meaning doing an encode from an encode, especially with just pre-fabricated stock settings of encoders)

edit: Unless you mean it is 90gb in scenes/pictures and not as entire movie.

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lightsabre said:

remsouille said:

The ProRes files weren’t available so I had to work off a h265. The output file is 90gb, I’ll send you a DM!!

Would it be possible for you to release the entire 90gb output file? it’s almost as big as other 4k releases as well. it would be a shame to see the quality degraded further (meaning doing an encode from an encode, especially with just pre-fabricated stock settings of encoders)

edit: Unless you mean it is 90gb in scenes/pictures and not as entire movie.

Sorry if I wasn’t being clear, but yes, 90gb is the size of the released file! I did check what the bitrate was on each of the scans and matched my encoder settings to this. In the case of FOTR, the scan was of lower bitrate and it somehow showed, especially in the grain resolution. So I very slightly sharpened the image (nothing drastic, don’t worry guys) and exported it at a bitrate similar as the two other instalments, and I think it did a good job! I know I can’t retrieve something that was lost, but at least I know I’m not losing anything else

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lightsabre said:

remsouille said:

The ProRes files weren’t available so I had to work off a h265. The output file is 90gb, I’ll send you a DM!!

Would it be possible for you to release the entire 90gb output file? it’s almost as big as other 4k releases as well. it would be a shame to see the quality degraded further (meaning doing an encode from an encode, especially with just pre-fabricated stock settings of encoders)

edit: Unless you mean it is 90gb in scenes/pictures and not as entire movie.

Sorry if I wasn’t being clear, but yes, 90gb is the size of the released files! I did check what the bitrate was on each of the scans and matched my encoder settings to this. In the case of FOTR, the scan was of lower bitrate and it somehow showed, especially in the grain resolution. So I very slightly sharpened the image and exported it at a bitrate similar as the two other instalments, and I think it did a good job! I know I can’t retrieve something that was lost, but at least I know I’m not losing anything else

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Then Im very much in favour of you releasing these 90gbs and not compress it any further (or at least not if you want to release only 1 size version), because it would just diminish all the work you’ve done by trying to make it smaller. file size is not a problem for those who really cherish the quality.

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lightsabre said:

Then Im very much in favour of you releasing these 90gbs and not compress it any further (or at least not if you want to release only 1 size version), because it would just diminish all the work you’ve done by trying to make it smaller. file size is not a problem for those who really cherish the quality.

Once again, maybe I still wasn’t clear enough hahah I’m definitely not gonna compress it further. Like ever!! If it were 200gbs I’ld still keep it that way hahaha

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Hey! There are at least three people who have FOTR now, I hope you guys keep seeding because my connexion seems to be kinda whacky and most of times I won’t be able to seed the next few weeks! Could anyone take care of sending the key to potential new seeders?

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remsouille said:

Hey! There are at least three people who have FOTR now

Would be great if people could stay around / come back for a couple more hours, there aren’t any seeders with 100% completion in the swarm at the moment

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LH6 said:

remsouille said:

Hey! There are at least three people who have FOTR now

Would be great if people could stay around / come back for a couple more hours, there aren’t any seeders with 100% completion in the swarm at the moment

same here. thank you.

one more thing, most connections are listed as “Relayed” instead of “TCP” under Transport which could indicate that most people havent configured and/or forwarded their ports yet (in the advanced settings of the app and your router settings). could you guys please check and adjust this if you havent already? then the transfer should be much faster.

Thanks again.

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TTT is done (for now) here are some screens:
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As you can see, it is quite less saturated than FOTR. The late Andrew Lesnie said in an American Cinematographer interview that they aimed for a grittier/ less saturated look for TTT, so I had to really be careful to maintain that aspect and keep those colors under control. Once again, too much saturation and those funky grading choices they made kind of fall apart. I hope I did well!

It’s been brought to my attention that there was a frame rate issue with both exports I sent everyone via DM. I’m in the process of fixing it, I will update you with new versions once they’re ready!

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Hey, well done, seems great. Is it the extended version or theatrical? If the latter; I’m interested in helping seed FotR.

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undefined said:

Hey, well done, seems great. Is it the extended version or theatrical? If the latter; I’m interested in helping seed FotR.

I’m only working on the theatrical editions! I’ll get in touch once the new versions are rendered!

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Hello, I’d really appreciate a link please. The project looks very good 👍

Kind regards

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remsouille said:

It’s been brought to my attention that there was a frame rate issue with both exports I sent everyone via DM. I’m in the process of fixing it, I will update you with new versions once they’re ready!

Was going to mention this, glad to hear you’re working on a fix.

That said, aside from the frame issue these grades look spectacular!

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It’s been brought to my attention that there was a frame rate issue with both exports I sent everyone via DM. I’m in the process of fixing it, I will update you with new versions once they’re ready!

I’d like to see this as well if you could DM a link when done. Thanks for the all the hard work!

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Looks incredible! I bought the 4k recently and wasn’t loving the look of it. Had seen a copy of FOTR in 35mm and loved it. Is it possible to get links for these please?

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Looks wonderful. Would really like the links to both if possible? I also have a good connection so will make sure to seed.

Thanks.