Beber: I stand corrected. Your link is dead but luckily I still had the image on my phone and just referenced it. You are correct... the 35mm print I saw had much more yellow to it and was not as orange as this:
I apologize for the confusion.
for what it's worth, here is a screenie from the FS DVD taken from myinternalorgan.org
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kaosjm said:
Beber: I stand corrected. Your link is dead but luckily I still had the image on my phone and just referenced it. You are correct... the 35mm print I saw had much more yellow to it and was not as orange as this:
I apologize for the confusion.
What you are describing sounds similar to the regraded Terminator 2 release I did, it looks more yellow and less orange in that scene as well. Here's a screencap from that scene taken from my regrade:
Kaos, what was the general color in the biker bar at the opening? I remember it not being as brown as the DVD, more Blue like. Saw it 14 times on year of release, so I'm certain Cameron changed this for the VHS/LD and all the other versions.
Oh boy I wish I had paid closer attention and took more notes during that scene. I'm sorry but I don't totally recall. I do remember though that when Arnold is scanning and you see his POV parameters that they are cut off on the sides of the frame whereas it seems in the remastered editions you see more.
kk650 said:
kaosjm said:
Beber: I stand corrected. Your link is dead but luckily I still had the image on my phone and just referenced it. You are correct... the 35mm print I saw had much more yellow to it and was not as orange as this:
I apologize for the confusion.
What you are describing sounds similar to the regraded Terminator 2 release I did, it looks more yellow and less orange in that scene as well. Here's a screencap from that scene taken from my regrade:
More Yellow like this one?
Stamper said:
Kaos, what was the general color in the biker bar at the opening? I remember it not being as brown as the DVD, more Blue like. Saw it 14 times on year of release, so I'm certain Cameron changed this for the VHS/LD and all the other versions.
To baad I never saw it in theatre, but I raised with this kind of look at the bar scene.
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Your yellow shot is closer to what I saw last september, but it's not quite that yet. It really was yellow and warmer. Almost no orange at all.
I also noticed that the Terminator red vision was missing some letters in its inscriptions, at least on the left side. That's the way it was cropped.
Beber said:
Your yellow shot is closer to what I saw last september, but it's not quite that yet. It really was yellow and warmer. Almost no orange at all.
I also noticed that the Terminator red vision was missing some letters in its inscriptions, at least on the left side. That's the way it was cropped.
Yeah, it was just slightly cropped, sometimes the Letters were just directly at the side, without any vision border.
In that folder are some caps from a remastered release and the old german DVD from VCL. When there are two caps from the same picture, then the true widescreen ( smaller black bars top and bottom) are the remastered DVD and the ones letterboxed full screen ratio are the ones from the first german DVD release...
The ones without borders at all are, as far as i remember only from the old DVD.
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So the pics where the blue scenes are purple and the daytime scenes aren't as orange is an old german dvd from vcl? I've been trying to find their release of T1 since I saw some caps of it that show T1 actually looking much closer to the teal that some of us have been complaining about since the release of the American blu-ray.
http://sd.caps-a-holic.com/vergleich.php?vergleichID=221
Last night I contacted someone from Germany *I think* is selling it, but haven't gotten a response yet. I'd actually like a copy of this german T2 dvd moreso, since I'd love to see as much of that blue blanket removed. I'm gonna look it up right now :)
TylerDurden389 said:
So the pics where the blue scenes are purple and the daytime scenes aren't as orange is an old german dvd from vcl? I've been trying to find their release of T1 since I saw some caps of it that show T1 actually looking much closer to the teal that some of us have been complaining about since the release of the American blu-ray.
http://sd.caps-a-holic.com/vergleich.php?vergleichID=221
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Last night I contacted someone from Germany *I think* is selling it, but haven't gotten a response yet. I'd actually like a copy of this german T2 dvd moreso, since I'd love to see as much of that blue blanket removed. I'm gonna look it up right now :)
The FSK18 T1 DVD was slightly cut. Beware not to get the stronger cutted FSK16 DVD.
And yes, T2 was released from the same company.
Both are quite tough to get. They only have german audio. (Were both released in a time when multi languaged was nothing smaller companies could afford, or was as demanded as it is now...)
Oh regarding the question:
The ones matching the more sepia carolco logo are from the VCL DVD. The intro daylight shots (cars and people on the street are more warmer colors) the night shots are more purple, the explosion shows more on the bottom screen, but lesser on the sides, the daylight shot with sarah connor in the desert seems not so orange...
somehow I alwasy remembered the carolco logo that way: being silver, and changing color to sepia when "finished". I was oddly wondering when I saw it just staying kind silvery blue...
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I have the German FSK18 T1 disc, I've already ripped and uploaded it. Anyone who wants it can PM me for the link.
However, I don't have T2.
The seller of the German vcl Terminator 1 got back to me: "Sorry, no overseas shipping"
Ah well, TBH I'm more interested in seeing if there's any video release with the color timing I've seen in a few videos on youtube where the picture was very, very bright, and had more of a gray color to it. The 2 scenes I remember seeing in these clips were when Kyle runs out of the alleyway and onto the streets (after getting away from the cops and taking their shotgun), and the scenes in the parking lot from when they drive in, to when they get in the 2nd car and Kyle tells Sarah about her son.
TylerDurden389 said:
The seller of the German vcl Terminator 1 got back to me: "Sorry, no overseas shipping"
Ah well, TBH I'm more interested in seeing if there's any video release with the color timing I've seen in a few videos on youtube where the picture was very, very bright, and had more of a gray color to it. The 2 scenes I remember seeing in these clips were when Kyle runs out of the alleyway and onto the streets (after getting away from the cops and taking their shotgun), and the scenes in the parking lot from when they drive in, to when they get in the 2nd car and Kyle tells Sarah about her son.
If you hafe too much money, there is one T1 VCL at ebay, stated as FSK18 Version.
(No I am not the seller, I don't think I would ever sell my T1 VCL Disc. It is the only Release with the original Weapon Sounds in the Police Department Shootout in the German dubbing.)
If you could point out on wich timecode those scenes are, I could check if I get caps from the VLC disc of those scenes.
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Ugh, the thought of simply searching ebay from other countries never occurred to me lol.
That is a terrible looking disc, they actually sold that??
Was the post someone sent me for a copy of that on Germany's ebay removed? Or did I talk about this another post? No joke, I talk about these movies and the color timing on at least 2 other message boards lol.
TylerDurden389 said:
Was the post someone sent me for a copy of that on Germany's ebay removed? Or did I talk about this another post? No joke, I talk about these movies and the color timing on at least 2 other message boards lol.
I send just the link the the T1 eBay auction with the insane price.
@dvdmike Yes, it was sold in Germany, and it was not the worst DVD I ever saw in Germany. Now it is more of a collecting items, according to the insane price they charge at eBay for that.
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It looks like a VHS master!
dvdmike said:
It looks like a VHS master!
Oh, I am sure they used exactly that.. the VHS master, or at least the LD Master.
But as I said, it is not the worst German DVD I saw.
Their DVD of Terminator 2 was better, but not perfect. First of all it is letterboxed and not anamorphic widescreen. Second: no english audio.
Also they did not used english audio back in time. Just plain German Audio. T1 was mono and T2 was some 2.0 and 5.1 audio Track. The 1st release of the Terminator 2 VCL DVD release missed the Making of, even if it was announced on the Cover. Maybe some mastering error.
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Yes, that T1 master is bad, but it looks almost like it was transferred from a theatrical print, or a theatrical print master, or something. No American home video release has colors anything like it (and there's no Harlan Ellison credit, meaning this is from a source around the time of the original theatrical release, before Ellison sued and his name was added as part of the settlement).
Theatrical prints have much higher contrast than the elements used to make home video transfers, so they often look blown out like that if they are transferred. (See also: Bootlegs and screeners transferred from theatrically-timed sources.)
So it may be a poor transfer, but there may also be clues to the theatrical color timing. That's why I bought that disc.
I disagree that that transfer in that quality tells us anything
dvdmike said:
The Skynet 100% had a DNR pass, the new disc that came out this week is missing this pass.
The issue with T2 is theEE baked mess of a master they use, its from 2003 and was not well done even then.
The UK optimum disc is still the best looking, but is fromt hat same old tired master.
I thought the Japanese 'Premium Edition' of T2 was the best looking one available. Is the UK Optimum blu-ray the same quality or better? Is it region-free? The Skynet edition (North America) is pretty crappy as far as DNR goes... I begrudgingly bought it for $5 because I was holding out for a proper transfer like the Japanese 'Premium Edition'.
As for T1 on blu-ray, the recent remaster with him holding the assault rifle on the cover is the best it's looked (not sure about colouring or any filters that might have been applied). It's only missing some of the features from the SE DVD and the original mono soundtrack. It does have the Harlan Ellison credit at the end of the film, however.
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Does the German T1 transfer have cigarette burns?
If this is indeed sourced from a theatrical print then it can't be ignored as a reference. Given the aforementioned poor quality of the transfer then it seems very unlikely that anybody would bother drastically altering the colour timing from the original scan. If you look at the shot of Reese leaning over in the car, it's coloured completely differently from more recent transfers. I don't see how this can be the result of a bad scan or put down to the poor quality of the transfer.
Also, if you look at the night scenes in the Japanese DVD comparison shots, you see that the cyan colour timing is present there also.
After seeing this and the 8mm Aliens frames recently posted, I really am starting to come around to the idea that the BD releases of Cameron's movies are genuine (albeit poorly executed) attempts to recreate the theatrical look.
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mumbles_ said:
dvdmike said:
The Skynet 100% had a DNR pass, the new disc that came out this week is missing this pass.
The issue with T2 is theEE baked mess of a master they use, its from 2003 and was not well done even then.
The UK optimum disc is still the best looking, but is fromt hat same old tired master.
I thought the Japanese 'Premium Edition' of T2 was the best looking one available. Is the UK Optimum blu-ray the same quality or better? Is it region-free? The Skynet edition (North America) is pretty crappy as far as DNR goes... I begrudgingly bought it for $5 because I was holding out for a proper transfer like the Japanese 'Premium Edition'.
As for T1 on blu-ray, the recent remaster with him holding the assault rifle on the cover is the best it's looked (not sure about colouring or any filters that might have been applied). It's only missing some of the features from the SE DVD and the original mono soundtrack. It does have the Harlan Ellison credit at the end of the film, however.
The JP release is overrated if you ask me
OK, I checked the German T1 DVD, and it does have cue burns at the reel changes. So this does seem to be from a German theatrical source. (The Orion logo has the German theatrical distribution company notice optically superimposed at the bottom, and as I said before, there is absolutely no mention of Harlan Ellison anywhere in the closing credits.)
The letterboxing is also inconsistent from scene to scene; the telecine seems to have been electronically letterboxed at about 1.55:1 (and it's one of those transfers where the bars are at a slight angle and "bob" up/down into the next line partway across the screen), but in some shots the actual in-camera hard-matting extends further down at the top or up at the bottom.
This reminds me of old Hong Kong video transfers that were taken from theatrical prints, and looked blown-out and overly contrasty, with dark scenes being too dark and bright scenes being too bright (because the higher contrast of theatrical prints did not transfer well). If anybody's ever seen any HK movie transfers with burned-in Chinese+Engrish subtitles, cigarette burns, 1.85 films having fully visible in-camera "hard matting" that shifts position from scene to scene, that's what this transfer is like. Poor quality or no, it's from a theatrical source.
It also reminds me of some of the old Academy screeners that came from theatrically-timed print sources (like The Dark Knight).
Also, does anybody have the original Thorn EMI/HBO transfer? I read that had burns too, but I believe it was also overbrightened, as a lot of 80s transfers were.
