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You know, I didn’t even think about the planet/starfield being fixed to the window frame, but after seeing your fix, that’s 100% what was bugging me about that shot without even realizing that was it!

Excellent work as always!

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Wow, that’s amazing! I’d love to use it if I do another revision of my project but we’ll see.

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Thanks guys! Hal, as I mentioned in PM, I will send you those shots when they’re locked down!

Meanwhile, I made another adjustment to the Crait battle sequence to remove the cannon beam from the shot of Finn exiting the crashed cockpit (this required both audio and video changes).

Crait Battle (cannon beam removal at 1:40)
https://vimeo.com/289775362
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smpearce1981 said:

Darth Muffy said:

Hi poppasketti,

While Hals Legendary edit has always been my go to for TLJ myself and a few others have been keep to see the third lession scene reinserted back in.
This will also mean having the caretakes back in the background to a degee but the lession conveys so well to Rey and us the audiense that Jedi of old would rather meditate over “their” force then get involved in other peoples problems. This strengthens beliefs as to why Luke is in isolation and his reasoning as to let the Jedi of old end.

Lukes 3rd Lession
Lukes 3rd Lession Clip

Hals stated he does’nt have any interest in an alternate version of TLJ Legenday with this scene and caretakers but would this be something you’d entertain?

Hey, Bud

Not to speak for anyone else but I think the decision across multiple edits is that the amount of work required to complete the abandoned VFX on this sequence in order for it not to seem thrown in or bolted on as an after thought is too much for many editors to justify the time/trouble?

I could be very wrong, and it’s certainly not my place to pass comment but that’s just what I’ve gleaned from similar questions being asked previously?

I am curious though and just as a means of having a conversation, what is it that you prefer about HAL’s TLJ? Not that there’s anything wrong with that view! (I really am just being curious?)

Hal’s TFA: Restructured is my go to cut of TFA

I really think Hal fully unlocked the magic within that movie.

However, Poppa win’s it for me with his TLJ Rekindled. I know his project started on the foundation of Hal’s Legendary, but I really feel he’s found his rhythm with this project now and it’s really starting to take on a life of it’s own to the same extent as Hal’s TFA and hence I don’t think I could go back to the original cut now.

Hi smpearce1981,
In answer to your question personally Hals Legendary v3 edit ticks all the boxes for what I want when watching TLJ albeat the as stated unusable 3rd lesson scene (can see my prefered versions below). I’m not knocking poppaskettis version in any way but I’m happy with what Hal offers with v3 having also intergrated some of poppasketti changes found here also I like Hals method of being less is more and leaving what he can untouched and only editing magor issues. I’m actually rewatching TFA Restructured V4 again at this moment but with Hals commentary 😋.

I have a question though this is going to be obvious once pointed out to me but what is actually unfinished in the 3rd lession deleted scene as I dont see any wires, placeholder vfx or green backdrops in the scene which makes it unusable in an edit? 🤔

“We Are What They Grow Beyond” - Yoda


My Prefered Saga Viewing Preference:
Ep. III - Revenge of the Sith Special Edition (StankPac Edit) * Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (Gareth Edwards Original Version)
Ep. IV - A New Hope Despecialized Edition (Harmy Edit) * Ep. V - Empire Strikes Back Revisited (Adywan Edit)
Ep. VI - Return of The Jedi Despecialized Edition (Harmy Edit) * Ep. VII - The Force Awakens Restructured (Hal 9000 Edit)
Ep. VIII - The Last Jedi Legendary (Hal 9000 Edit)

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Well, when Rey runs across the landscape in a wide shot, it’s very clearly just a temp effect as she hovers while running in place. (Although there are some comparable shots in the finished version of the LOTR movies.)
The ocean background when Luke talks with Rey at the end are static. And I think there are some un-removed puppetry things, too.

More importantly, I feel the scene is very nice but better omitted. We have already come to understand that Luke thinks negatively about the Jedi and that Rey is full of piss and vinegar. And when this scene is gone, Luke approaching Rey as she is about to touch hands with Kylo rings more strongly as him about to come to his senses and begin to help her.

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Darth Muffy said:

smpearce1981 said:

Darth Muffy said:

Hi poppasketti,

While Hals Legendary edit has always been my go to for TLJ myself and a few others have been keep to see the third lession scene reinserted back in.
This will also mean having the caretakes back in the background to a degee but the lession conveys so well to Rey and us the audiense that Jedi of old would rather meditate over “their” force then get involved in other peoples problems. This strengthens beliefs as to why Luke is in isolation and his reasoning as to let the Jedi of old end.

Lukes 3rd Lession
Lukes 3rd Lession Clip

Hals stated he does’nt have any interest in an alternate version of TLJ Legenday with this scene and caretakers but would this be something you’d entertain?

Hey, Bud

Not to speak for anyone else but I think the decision across multiple edits is that the amount of work required to complete the abandoned VFX on this sequence in order for it not to seem thrown in or bolted on as an after thought is too much for many editors to justify the time/trouble?

I could be very wrong, and it’s certainly not my place to pass comment but that’s just what I’ve gleaned from similar questions being asked previously?

I am curious though and just as a means of having a conversation, what is it that you prefer about HAL’s TLJ? Not that there’s anything wrong with that view! (I really am just being curious?)

Hal’s TFA: Restructured is my go to cut of TFA

I really think Hal fully unlocked the magic within that movie.

However, Poppa win’s it for me with his TLJ Rekindled. I know his project started on the foundation of Hal’s Legendary, but I really feel he’s found his rhythm with this project now and it’s really starting to take on a life of it’s own to the same extent as Hal’s TFA and hence I don’t think I could go back to the original cut now.

Hi smpearce1981,
In answer to your question personally Hals Legendary v3 edit ticks all the boxes for what I want when watching TLJ albeat the as stated unusable 3rd lesson scene (can see my prefered versions below). I’m not knocking poppaskettis version in any way but I’m happy with what Hal offers with v3 having also intergrated some of poppasketti changes found here also I like Hals method of being less is more and leaving what he can untouched and only editing magor issues. I’m actually rewatching TFA Restructured V4 again at this moment but with Hals commentary 😋.

I have a question though this is going to be obvious once pointed out to me but what is actually unfinished in the 3rd lession deleted scene as I dont see any wires, placeholder vfx or green backdrops in the scene which makes it unusable in an edit? 🤔

Hey bud.

All of the above is fair enough! Hal’s stuff is great so there’s no ‘gotcha’ in me asking the question.

Once again, not wishing to speak on behalf of anyone else, but i think iv read around that the primary reason the scene is determined not useable is down to the bit where Rey runs across the stones.

Its not necessarily due to a presence of wires but more the absence of gravity…at least as we’ve come to recognise it.

The rest i simply can’t speak too? So it might be better to let the editor(s) have their say!

I was thinking about the ‘3 lessons’ thing:

It’s actually ok that it’s left at 2 lessons on account of the breakdown in the relationship between Rey and Luke.

It’s not necessarily a continuity error, she just elects to leave to face/redeem Kylo before Luke got the opportunity to deliver the third lesson.

Neither Luke or Rey were expecting Rey to be in active communication with Kylo and the developments and revelations that arose as a result changed the landscape of their relationship and so the plan simply changed?

I know thats not what was originally planned hence the existence of the deleted scene, but it still works…’from a certain point of view’ ? 😃

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With the incredible editing Poppa has been doing with other scenes recently he could probably fix those issues in the 3rd lesson deleted scene 😜.

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smpearce1981 said:

I was thinking about the ‘3 lessons’ thing:

It’s actually ok that it’s left at 2 lessons on account of the breakdown in the relationship between Rey and Luke.

It’s not necessarily a continuity error, she just elects to leave to face/redeem Kylo before Luke got the opportunity to deliver the third lesson.

Neither Luke or Rey were expecting Rey to be in active communication with Kylo and the developments and revelations that arose as a result changed the landscape of their relationship and so the plan simply changed?

I know thats not what was originally planned hence the existence of the deleted scene, but it still works…’from a certain point of view’ ? 😃

Those valid points are how I do view the current version of TLJ and it works very well for how that versions story is told.

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With the incredible editing Poppa has been doing with other scenes recently he could probably fix those issues in the 3rd lesson deleted scene 😜.

It would be great to see that under an altenative version of TLJ edit with light use of caretakes akin to return of the jedis yub hub/special edition ending versions about. I also understand that its hard work doing these edits and the idea of an alternative version of the same edit must be off putting to make.

“We Are What They Grow Beyond” - Yoda


My Prefered Saga Viewing Preference:
Ep. III - Revenge of the Sith Special Edition (StankPac Edit) * Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (Gareth Edwards Original Version)
Ep. IV - A New Hope Despecialized Edition (Harmy Edit) * Ep. V - Empire Strikes Back Revisited (Adywan Edit)
Ep. VI - Return of The Jedi Despecialized Edition (Harmy Edit) * Ep. VII - The Force Awakens Restructured (Hal 9000 Edit)
Ep. VIII - The Last Jedi Legendary (Hal 9000 Edit)

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I appreciate the vote of confidence! But I have no intention of adding the 3rd lesson deleted scene at this time. As others have said, it’s not just the incomplete FX, it’s whether it improves the story. I agree with smpearce’s statement that Rey’s training with Luke was interrupted by the force-Skype conversation with Kylo-Ren. Snoke bridged their minds and drove a wedge, which put Rey in real danger of falling to the dark side. The fact that Luke never finished her training is part of the story, so I’m ok that the third lesson is absent.

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Darth Muffy said:
It would be great to see that under an altenative version of TLJ edit with light use of caretakes akin to return of the jedis yub hub/special edition ending versions about. I also understand that its hard work doing these edits and the idea of an alternative version of the same edit must be off putting to make.

Yeah, the thing is I’m already likely to keep two versions of Rekindled available, one with the Palpatine hints to set up TROS and one without.

So, basically there will be V2 and V3 available. I’m also considering, after finishing V3, going back and updating V2 with some non-Palpatine related tweaks I’ve made since.

Keep in mind that hosting multiple versions requires more than edit time and storage space. If I change the timing in any way (such as adding a scene), I have to adjust the caption timing, chapter breaks, and then render and encode multiple sizes (currently 4) for each. It’s just too much to consider more than two version right now.

I am rendering a second V3 workprint now, so it will hopefully be up tomorrow!

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I honestly cannot wait for the v3 workprint (…and the eventual ‘full fat’ 30gb final cut)

What you’ve done here is special!

Kudos, Poppa, kudos!!!

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V3 SECOND WORKPRINT

Okay, the new workprint has been uploaded (same link)! Here’s a consolidated post of all of the V3 changes. Some of the non-Palpatine related things could potentially be used to update the V2 if there’s interest, but my priority first is to get out the V3 with the Palp teases.
Thanks to everyone for you ideas and feedback. It’s been more work than I anticipated, but in the end, I think it’s helped to make the film better! 

V3 PALPATINE TEASES
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  1. Dark Side Cave 1st Appearance Sith Whispers
    Description: added Sith whispers as the cave first calls to Rey (note: I did try to add a reverb of Palpatine actually saying “Rey” from “I’m afraid the deflector shield…” as was suggested but it just didn’t work.)

  2. Dark Side Cave Sith Whispers and Hood
    Description: Added Sith whispers and Palpatine’s hood appears in the reflection just before Rey’s face appears.

  3. Flashback Palpatine Laugh (by HAL 9000 and TiMartyn)
    Description: Added Palpatine laugh to the last Luke/Kylo flashback. Thanks to Hal 9000 for providing the audio.

  4. Palpatine Contact
    Description: When Kylo is in the radio room of the rebel base on Crait, he has an unexpected contact from Palpatine, a voice saying “Find me”. Option E has one reused shot, that is cropped and retimed.

  5. Snoke Sith Death - Subtle
    Description: Snoke’s eyes flash red/yellow as he’s stabbed by the lightsaber, and then a puff of blue “Palpatine essence“ releases after his body splits in half.

  6. Force Skype Sounds
    Description: Added some of the Palpatine Contact sounds to other Force Skype moments.

V3 NON-PALPATINE CHANGES

  1. Finn Wakes
    Description: Rey whispers “Finn” right before he wakes up, hinting at his force sensitivity.

  2. Praetorian Knife Continuity Fix
    Description: Remove continuity error of knife disappearing mid-shot, also had praetorian’s knife knocked away by Rey’s lightsaer strike way in the background of earlier shot.

  3. Deleted Shuttle Scene Improvements
    Description: Improved reflections and particles on the wide shots, fixed 3D environment on viewscreen.

  4. Crait Battle Tweaks
    Description: Several tweaks, including updated walker targeting FX shot (with FX image provided by smpearce1981), slightly enhanced Finn cockpit explosion lighting, tweak to Finn’s “Rose” reaction to add more impact (when she’s shot down), cannon beam and hum removal during Finn’s cockpit exit.

  5. Added Wilhelm Scream
    Description: Wilhelm!

  6. Broom Boy Rebel Ring Removal
    Description: Extended shots in end sequence to cover the rebel ring shot, maintaining timing.

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@Poppasketti I know you will keep V2 as a “purist version” without the changes building towards Palpatine in The Rise of Skywalker, but do you plan on making a version of the edit that only features the non-Palpatine-related changes from V3 (e.g. the Wilhelm scream addition, the Praetorian guard battle error fix, etc.) and the pre-V3 changes?

The unfortunate reality of the Star Wars prequel and Disney trilogies is that they will always be around. Forever. They will never go away. It can never be undone.

I also prefer to be referred to as “TNT”, not “Freezing”.

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poppasketti said:

Some of the non-Palpatine related things could potentially be used to update the V2 if there’s interest, but my priority first is to get out the V3 with the Palp teases.

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I haven’t had a time to watch the whole work print, but just checking out the scenes you’ve done with your latest post which is super helpful. (Too many projects going on, oye.)

Anyway, the little touches you do really make the changes work well. This edit/project keeps getting better and better.

This may be a minor thing, but I was rewatching the Finn Run and noticed something. Number one, the changing of the image you used for Finn’s speeder is much better in regards to the change of the scene with its angle. Very nice.

I don’t know if this matter or not, but we see the AT’s targeting of the speeder focus next to the cockpit, just to the side of it. When you see Finn get shot down though, the explosion is/damage is to the other side of the craft. Would it be doable to change the position of the targeting of the speeder be where the damage occurs of it now being shot down instead of the collision with Rose?

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Poppa,

Re: The shuttle scene and my comments last week.

Having seen your revised version with the reflections and debris/particles I’m pleased to come forward and tell you:

I WAS WRONG

The extra work you have done has really eased the scene into the edit and now it fits so much nicer without drawing attention to itself. Amazing!

I keep saying it, but I LOVE this project and all of the work you are doing 😃

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jarbear said:
I don’t know if this matter or not, but we see the AT’s targeting of the speeder focus next to the cockpit, just to the side of it. When you see Finn get shot down though, the explosion is/damage is to the other side of the craft. Would it be doable to change the position of the targeting of the speeder be where the damage occurs of it now being shot down instead of the collision with Rose?

Good eye, jarbear! I changed it, and you can see the update here:
Crait Battle (targeting shot at 1:10)
https://vimeo.com/289775362
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This actually fixes two problems, the other being what smpearce1981 was saying about the cockpit explosion seeming too subtle. Moving the targeting to the other side of the ship adds a good deal of distance between Finn and the explosion.

Glad the work on the shuttle scene is helping!

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I played with the shuttle scene a little more tonight. The particles were a little too similar, so I added a few of the flickery sharp particles that better match the ship explosion (still very subtle). Also tweaked the color slightly, and added a tiny bit of vibration to the beginning of the first shuttle shot.

Shuttle Deleted Scene
https://vimeo.com/394579555
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Any chance of adding a faint “let go” from obi-wan as Luke becomes one with the force?

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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idir_hh said:

Any chance of adding a faint “let go” from obi-wan as Luke becomes one with the force?

Seems unnecessary, and like it might distract from the emotional core of the scene.

Poppa, love the new particle effects in the shuttle scene! Really helps to sell it and make it feel seamless.

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ChainsawAsh said:

idir_hh said:

Any chance of adding a faint “let go” from obi-wan as Luke becomes one with the force?

Seems unnecessary, and like it might distract from the emotional core of the scene.

On the contrary, I think it would give a lot more closure to the scene, it would better illustrate that he leaves the physical plain out of choice and not because of his weakness, having obi-wan be part of his final moments would feel quite wholesome as well as it being a nice call back to ANH.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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I think it would feel out of place for pretty much zero benefit beyond fan service.

But I’m willing to eat my words if a proof of concept of the idea works.

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I wonder if Obi-wans ghost from Hoth could fade into the distance as he delivers the line “let go” from ANH an then fade out as luke stares into the sunset.

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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I guess I just don’t get why Obi-Wan needs to make an appearance at all. If he was going to show up in any capacity it should have been the tree scene with Yoda.

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