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big_gareth, I’m glad you’ve been inspired and I like your concept for having Rose shot down after she’s turned away. Nice work! It’s definitely a better reaction from Finn. He looks distraught. I do wonder if the shot of the skimmer tumbling is a bit too intense. I’m not sure anyone could survive that!

I like the V2 better, and actually would make the impact effect you added shorter, just a quick flash. I don’t think we need to see it targeting her, we get that idea from the lasers flying past the skimmer. Those lasers look good, by the way, I would just make them red to match what the walkers were firing.

I will have to try this again and see if the audio can help sell the moment, but I definitely think it’s closer!

Also, did you paint out one of the skimmers from the wide shot?! Very nice! I thought of trying that myself; might as well go all the way with it. I also need to fix the V1 of my skimmer removal. The shadows at the bottom of the frame don’t work, and the edge of the smoke is off.

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Poppasketti, glad you like the second clip, I really do hope that I can help in some way and thank you again for giving me the nudge to get my own edit started.

I kind of agree about the rolling skimmer being a bit much, I don’t know if there are any other damaged skimmers that can be used instead - especially one moving from left to right. This one was flipped horizontally and I had to remove the mountain range from the “wrong” side. The Poe reaction shot is also flipped which introduces more continuity errors but I don’t think it’s so obvious?

Initially I thought removing the skimmer from the wide shot would be a piece of cake, but my first attempt was so bad you could see the mountains wobbling around in the background! I know I can re-do that shot myself to a much higher standard but if you give it a go, be very aware of the cloud of dust that kicks up into the air. I left it in but it looks silly without the second skimmer and should also be removed in my opinion.

I genuinely didn’t notice any issues with smoke or shadows from your previous video. If I could suggest one alteration, I would add a laser bolt going through/past the skimmer in the first two frames of the sequence. I tried this myself and it looked quite nice just to emphasize that the AT-AT shot Finn down.

One last thought; I had a play around with the big wide aerial shot of the two crashed skimmers where we can see a tiny Finn running to aid Rose. This is a beautiful shot and I think it would be quite easy to switch skimmers and make it look like Finn is running away from the skimmer on the right. This gives him more time to get to Rose and sells the geography of her crash a little better. Removing or reducing the rubble from the skimmer on the left though is hard because the shot pans round. However I reckon you might be able to do it justice.

Thanks again and good luck with the continuation of your edit, I look forward to more updates.

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Just had another thought, if you want to remove one of the speeders after the crash in the wide shot, it would be easier and probably more attractive to remove the one on the right, that way the cloud of dust can remain in and it would look realistic.

I’ve been through all of the destroyed speeder scenes again and it’s slim pickings unfortunately, the tumbling one that I picked is definitely the easiest to flip and edit. Maybe just maybe though you could create your own crash for Rose using other footage such as that of Finn when he flies very close to the ground right at the very start of the battle?

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Yeah I’m not sure there’s a softer tumbling shot than what you had. It could just be one of those movie things where a main character gets in a major accident and somehow makes it out with cuts and bruises.

I think flopping the shot works. I also wonder if cutting the earlier shot (and Poe’s reaction) could work so it’s not so much duplication. It may not with the pacing.

My hope right now (before rendering a new workprint) would be for two versions:

  1. Keep the scene as-is, improve the first skimmer removal shot, and remove the right skimmer on the wide shot. This way we have Finn shot down, and just don’t see Rose for a bit, but the rest of the scene is intact and “clean.”

  2. Rose gets shot down as she’s retreating. This would also require the skimmer removal shots, as well as the new fx of the laser blasts at Rose’s skimmer along the lines of big_gareth’s work. I even think with this version we can leave the rest of the scene the same without Finn and Rose meeting after the crash. He could just get out of the cockpit and say “Rose.” Next time we see them he’s carrying her into base. This fixes the continuity without introducing any distance issue. Been a bit busy lately, so haven’t yet sat down and given version 2 a solid effort!

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Poppa! You’ve done a great job removing the other skimmer. Good job there.

Gareth, I like your idea of having Rose get shot down as they’re retreating too. I hadn’t really considered that, but it does give you more to work with. The way you currently have it cut, as an alternative, I wonder if you could cut it where we see the AT-AT shoot, Rose looks back, and we see her get shot down? It just seems like there is a lot of time inbetween seeing the AT-AT and her shouting no.

On the other hand, you could argue she needs to say no so Finn knows that she got shot down. I agree with Poppa, that the laser blasts need to be red. The laser flare is a good idea too, but I would make it much shorter, like just a few frames, because this is a fast moving laser bolt, so we see just enough to know what is happening. If you go through action scenes frame by frame, you’ll usually notice that laser muzzle flares are usually only one or two frames, and lasers zip by in a few frames as well. It’s fast, but our eyes still catch it, and moves more realistically. You’re doing good though!

I like those two options Poppa. I agree that the best way for it to work is to just see Finn get out of the skimmer and say Rose and nothing else until he pulls her back in (Not even seeing him get out of his skimmer could add to the hopelessness too, possibly?).
But yeah, since a lot of the “skimmer destruction” shots all look pretty violent, it will help that we wouldn’t see Rose even conscious after that. It’ll make her being injured seem a lot more severe I think.

It would also be good if one could crop a shot to see the cannon laser being fired. Unfortunately you can’t get a good impact shot, but I wonder if one could use a shot of the inside of Kylo’s shuffle maybe, and we hear the muffled explosion and see the light get brighter for a few seconds. Could work well with a close up of Kylo maybe, one could even add a little light flare in his eyes? Not sure, but then we just cut to the shot of the aftermath that is also inside the shuttle. Just spitballing though.

Anyway, it’s cool seeing all the ideas building off one another. Darthrush, poppasketti, gareth. Hopefully we can get the Rose thing to work, but I think it’ll turn out well either way.

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RogueLeader, I had a similar issue with having an impact shot. What I pretty much did, and it works alright, is cutting from Finn unbuckling out of his skimmer to Kylo in his shuttle.

And I think the Rose death idea could be improved by just having her say “no” right before she gets shot and changing the color of the laser blasts. I like Finn’s reaction as well.

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darthrush said:

RogueLeader, I had a similar issue with having an impact shot. What I pretty much did, and it works alright, is cutting from Finn unbuckling out of his skimmer to Kylo in his shuttle.

Yeah, I think what you did works well. When Finn gets out of the crashed skimmer there’s a spark in his cockpit, which could pass for the light from an off-camera explosion. I added a little rumble sound to help sell it (or maybe that was already in darthrush’s version so apologies if I forgot!). I think that’s all you need because in this climactic moment, our focus is on Finn. The music builds well to him getting shot down, and when Finn fails, the destruction of the door is a foregone conclusion.

Darthrush, I’m more than happy to send you the skimmer removal (and I plan to work on the wide shot too). I’d like to refine it a bit more before I send it if that’s alright!

And so I’m not quoting a whole post, RogueLeader, I agree with everything you said!

EDIT: Just fixed some confusing writing. Was typing too fast!

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Here’s the latest for Version 1, where Finn gets shot down while leaving the rest of the scene mostly intact.

https://vimeo.com/288102893 (PW: fanedit)

This has 3 successive FX shots:

  1. Finn’s cockpit lighting fx
  2. Removed one of the skimmers flying past the camera
  3. Removed a skimmer from the wide shot

darthrush, I’ve PM’d you a link to the master prores file. If I make an update I’ll send that to you as well (I’m happy to share with anyone else interested too)!

Now, to version 2, which I hope to get to in the next week or so!

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Really nice Poppa, great work on the wide shot. I’m really looking forward to ver 2.0 also. Keep up the good work!

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That is insanely impressive. Great job!

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Bad arse job! 😃

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Wow, that is very impressive.

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Thanks for the kind feedback, everybody!

Here is Version 2 where Rose gets shot down:

https://vimeo.com/288927635 (PW: fanedit)

This is a longer video, because I think it helps to see the entirety of the scene when making a radical change like this. There’s nothing new until just before the halfway point.

I have to say I actually think this works. Having Rose shot down in this moment adds motivation for Finn and plays into the hopelessness of the situation, as big_gareth previously stated. Finn’s suicidal decision to continue on actually has more meaning for me now and feels more earned. I’m interested to hear if others feel the same way.

It may be the late hour, but at the moment I’m leaning towards Version 2! A great idea by RogueLeader, a great expansion of the idea by big_gareth, all building on top of darthrush’s excellent edit!

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Hey, I’m noticing the video flashing sporadically during the targeting computer shot, the subsequent shot of the AT-M6 firing, and the shot of Finn getting out of the speeder. Is that just me?

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RogueLeader said:

Hey, I’m noticing the video flashing sporadically during the targeting computer shot, the subsequent shot of the AT-M6 firing, and the shot of Finn getting out of the speeder. Is that just me?

No, I see it too. That being said this idea is the best solution I’ve seen for this scene. Masterfully done.

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RogueLeader said:

Hey, I’m noticing the video flashing sporadically…

Fixed! Thanks for catching, that was my graphics card screwing up. The link is the same.

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That’s really incredible work. If we would be so lucky to somehow totally exclude Rose from Ep9, or have her totally relegated to an easily excisable role, this would be excellent.

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Hal, this could be used that way, although it wasn’t the intent! The plan is not to kill off Rose at all, but for her to be “hurt really bad,” as Finn says. I realize it seems near impossible for Rose to survive that tumbling crash, but I’m hoping those skimmers had great seatbelts and front/side impact airbags.

The sequence is:

  1. Rose gets shot down
  2. Finn gets shot down
  3. Finn gets out of cockpit and yells “Rose.”
  4. Kylo Ren, looking at destroyed door, orders the advance.
  5. We next see Finn when he’s dragging Rose to base, telling others “Medpack! I need a Medpack! She’s hurt pretty bad.”
  6. We see Rose still seemingly unconscious but stable on the Millenium Falcon.

This way Rose doesn’t just disappear after Finn’s suicide run until the Millenium Falcon (like in Version 1). She lives, but is very badly hurt.

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I like this version a lot, but there’s still a few rough spots. After Rose gets shot down, we hear Finn call her name and then almost immediately cut to a shot of him looking grim. It feels very strange not to have a reaction shot from him before that moment.

Maybe you could cut straight from Rose getting shot down to a wide shot of the weapon beginning to fire and the interior of the base (where they might hear Finn shouting for Rose over the speakers), and only after that returning to Finn’s look of grim determination.

The other rough place is that we immediately go from the weapon charging its blast and the aftermath of the explosion. Obviously it would be difficult to use much in between that, but there might be enough footage to imply that Finn got to Rose and revived her for a moment to show that she wasn’t dead. It’s unfortunate that to show the blast you’d also need to show the kiss, but maybe that would play better in this sequence of events.

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Hal 9000 said:

Thank you for reminding me of your specific plan. I haven’t been paying close enough attention!

No worries! It hadn’t even occurred to me people could use this for edits that kill off Rose entirely, but they are certainly welcome to.

NeverarGreat, those are good thoughts, I will keep them in mind when I can sit down again and tinker. I like the idea of creating more space between Finn yelling “Rose” and his reaction. Another option would be to not have Finn yell anything, as his facial expression and the music do a good job selling the moment.

As for not seeing the blast, it does currently happen off-camera. However, the kiss doesn’t work for me in this version because:
A) There’s a not enough time between Finn getting out of his cockpit and reaching Rose’s crash now that they are much further away. I don’t think there are enough shots we can sandwich in between to make it work (it’s pretty much right before Luke arrives, which I don’t want to touch).
B) Given how hurt she would be after this crash, I’d rather show less of her. Finn drags her back unconscious, and she’s still in bad shape but stable on the Falcon. This is more believable for me. Still, I may give it a shot since it’s always worth trying!

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Alrighty, so I made some adjustment to V2 per NeverarGreat’s feedback. I added an extra shot of the base between Rose getting shot and Finn’s reaction. You still hear Finn yelling “Rose” over the comms. I also made an attempt to add the blast of the door, cutting from the impact to Kylo’s face (RogueLeader’s suggestion). See link below.

I want to organize the links on the Crait Battle. We currently have 3 versions:

Version 1
Version 2A
Version 2B
(Password for all: fanedit)

Version 1 = Finn gets shot down, and we don’t see Rose again until the Falcon.

Version 2A = Finn and Rose each get shot down separately, and Finn drags a badly hurt Rose back to base.

Version 2B = The B version incorporates NeverarGreat’s feedback, attempting to pace out Finn’s reaction and including the door being blasted.

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I like that extra shot of the resistance in 2B but I think you should have Finn’s “Rose!” during Poe’s close up.

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Kind of agree with krlozdac. It might be worth trying it that way too. I think it’s making progress though. A few more suggestions.

I would trim up the stuff with Rose a little bit more. Basically, have Rose look back, we see an AT-AT shooting, remove the shot of her turning back around, remove the second shot of the AT-AT shooting, and trim the shot of Rose getting shot to start where she is already looking back. That way, we don’t have her looking back, looking forward, and looking back again. It might help the pacing a little bit.

And whichever shot of the AT-AT you decide to keep, I would take it out of wherever it’s original replacement was, if you can. That way, you’re not repeating the same shot twice.

Also, the added laser bolts firing past Rose, I think the angle is a little too downward, and should be a bit more parallel with the ground, if that makes sense.

And with Finn’s “No!”, to me, at least, it doesn’t sound like it is coming through the comm’s enough. I don’t know what editing software you use, but for me with Premiere, I would add a highpass filter effect to Finn’s line to make it sound more like radio chatter.

Finally, I think the added cropped shot of the laser firing and the flash on Kylo’s face works well. I would suggest another a little addition, have the subsequent shot of the door begin really bright also, and have it fade back to normal, so the brightness flows from one shot to the next.