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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 85

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Just saw it today. It felt pretty good at first, but starting from that Leia scene, it just completely fell apart. Also, I kept getting distracted from the story by the cringeworthy “humor”.

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How many truly believe that there is a silent majority that likes or even loves this movie? Star Wars’ 2nd week plummet at the box office suggests that word of mouth is too strong and too widespread to be a mere small and vocal minority. I think the whole ‘small but vocal minority’ theory is being posited with the expectation that it dare not be challenged. I call bullsh!t.

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Because going to the movies takes precedent over holiday time spent with family or crappy weather. 😉

Drop or no drop, how many other movies gross 99 million in their second week?

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It has been posted before, but it seems it needs to be posted again:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-last-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score

From that article:

“Because there’s a company called comScore that provides exit poll surveys that, while it is an opt in survey, is one that adjusts to reflect the movie going population. […] comScore surveys almost a thousand audience members in 20 markets immediately after they view the film, including The Last Jedi. […] this data shows the audience liked The Last Jedi a great deal. Rating a movie as either “excellent” or “very good” tends to be the key metric in most Hollywood evaluation of content, both in testing and in exit polls. Anything over a score of 80 in the “top two boxes” is concerned a great score, and The Last Jedi has a top two box score of 89.”

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luckydube56 said:

How many truly believe that there is a silent majority that likes or even loves this movie? Star Wars’ 2nd week plummet at the box office suggests that word of mouth is too strong and too widespread to be a mere small and vocal minority. I think the whole ‘small but vocal minority’ theory is being posited with the expectation that it dare not be challenged. I call bullsh!t.

Didn’t bother reading the articles then, just the headlines? 😉 The fact that the second week is the run up to Christmas has a lot to do with it. TFA’s second week drop off was $148 million. TLJ’s was $151. That’s just $3 million difference. Having Christmas fall on a weekend also has a huge impact on that weeks cinema box office takings, for all films. Yet TLJ has the second highest cinema takings for Christmas day in history. Second only to TFA.

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If Finn and Rose were able to fly off to the casino and come back with a hacker, was there any reason why someone else couldn’t have flown off to pick up a fuel tanker or something?

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I think a fuel tanker might be a little bigger than a shuttle. Just a guess.

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So, they bring a tanker back at light speed, what next?

They have to transfer the fuel. And who ever heard of a fast tanker? Their ships are only escaping because they are “lighter and faster”. I’m guessing that rules out the possibility of fueling up from the tanker at full speed.

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Well the big ships all seemed to go at the same speed, so I wondered why a big ship with lots of fuel couldn’t come out of lightspeed a bit ahead of the resistance fleet, wait for them to catch up a bit, then use smaller/faster ships to ferry fuel across. Or something.

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Also, noone came to help them when they were hiding on the planet even though the First Order fleet was decimated, so I don’t think anyone would have sent a tanker while the fleet was still at full force.

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DominicCobb said:

What’s funny to me is people complained that TFA played it too safe, now this did the opposite of that and people are still complaining.

you can say that pretty much on everything when saying just “people” is enough for you. you may be surprised but people as a group tend to have contradictionary opinions.

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Valheru_84 said:

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joefavs said:

So even though he ultimately decided the scene didn’t work and changed the film accordingly, you’re still upset at him for having the idea in the first place? I’m sorry, but that’s pretty weak.

I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak. It’s pretty obvious in both the initial post you replied to and the below one that he is not just talking about that one deleted scene.

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Yes, but it betrays RJ’s feelings and intentions going into this. So, he’s taken off some of the sharper edges, but he still turned the Jedi’s 1000 generation legacy of peace and justice, and the OT’s theme of hope and redemption into a legacy of failure for both the Jedi and Luke personally. It’s more revisionist than Lucas has ever done.

I think your powers of being able to engage in a civil discussion without acting rude and immature are pretty weak.

Says the one that admits to being snarky whenever they reply.

This:

“I think your powers of comprehension and deduction are pretty weak.”

is not “being snarky.”

It’s just straight up hostile and nasty.

No I was calling you a hypocrite.

And my response to Joe was not hostile nor nasty. It was a dose of the medicine he’d just given Dre. If he can give it then he can take it as well. I thought Dre made a valiant and fair point, Joe simply tried to shut him down and outright dismiss his opinion which I shared so Joe might as well have directed it at me as well.

Yeah, in hindsight I could have approached it differently. So could have you who replicated the behaviour you were taking issue with? Hmm…

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Frank your Majesty said:

It has been posted before, but it seems it needs to be posted again:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-last-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score

From that article:

“Because there’s a company called comScore that provides exit poll surveys that, while it is an opt in survey, is one that adjusts to reflect the movie going population. […] comScore surveys almost a thousand audience members in 20 markets immediately after they view the film, including The Last Jedi. […] this data shows the audience liked The Last Jedi a great deal. Rating a movie as either “excellent” or “very good” tends to be the key metric in most Hollywood evaluation of content, both in testing and in exit polls. Anything over a score of 80 in the “top two boxes” is concerned a great score, and The Last Jedi has a top two box score of 89.”

To be completely honest with you, if someone had polled me on the way out of the theatre I would have scored it favourably as well. There was too much to process to really score it accurately.

It’s only as it’s had time to sit with me that I’ve grown to dislike it.

Unlike the prequels, a fan-edit isn’t going to save this one for me, because my fundamental issue is with the treatment of Luke. I wish that I could get on board like some of you, but I can’t in the same way I couldn’t get on board with a neck-snapping Superman, which is why I stopped going to DCEU movies. DC fans bent over backwards justifying Superman’s actions in “Man of Steel” but while there is a place for gritty and broken heroes in cinema (John Wick, John McClane, etc.), doing it to existing heroes is a step too far for me.

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This definitely needed to be dredged up again.

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Were Yoda and Obi-Wan not ‘broken’ by events earlier in their lives? It would seem Luke is too in TLJ, and understandable given the circumstances - not forgetting his path to a change of heart towards the end of the film - sacrificing himself to do so.

For me, I like it more after I left the cinema. The more I think about it - and I am, weeks after it’s release - the more I’m understanding it and appreciating it.

(That’s not to omit the parts I personally thought didn’t quite work - yet I never went in expecting a perfect film - I’ve never seen one yet. Well, there was that one short film on pornhub…)

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I find that answer vague and unconvincing. Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves?
Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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Frank your Majesty said:

It has been posted before, but it seems it needs to be posted again:

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-last-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score

You may want to open the audience reviews and read through a few pages. I just went back over 30 pages to try and see if my rating actually went through (gave up on page 36) and I can tell you now, nearly all the 1/2 star and “not interested” negative reviews have at least one paragraph if not more on why they dislike the movie, with some going to great length and detail. You can tell just by looking at them that they are not bot produced reviews.

If anything, its many (hardly all as I expect this comment to be taken as) positive comments that appear as the most likely culprits to a bot attack with many being just one liners like “great movie!”, “this is the best movie ever!”, etc followed by 5 stars. Off course I’m sure many of them are legit and we know that people are more inclined to make more noise when they are upset over something than when they like it. That’s the exact point though - many people don’t like the movie and they’re making their voice heard. I’m not trying to elude that it’s a majority or use it to sway people’s opinions. Just stop trying to muffle our voices, we have as much right to talk about our views on the movie as the rest of you that like it.

There also very well could be some truth to the bot conspiracy but go read a few pages for yourself where the majority are well thought out or at least heavily detailed negative comments and you can make up your own mind.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/20/rotten-tomatoes-confirms-its-55-last-jedi-audience-score-is-100-authentic/amp/

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I’m referring specifically to the exit polls, as you might have seen by me quoting them. Like upvots on a Youtube review of a movie, reviews on RT are only written by people who have very strong feelings about the movie, being it either very positive or very negative.

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joefavs said:

This definitely needed to be dredged up again.

You do realize that not everyone checks the forums all day everyday, and that when you click on a thread it takes you to your earliest unread post, right?

So people reading through what they’ve missed so far might have input on something somebody said. It’s not unreasonable.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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dahmage said:

I really agree with your dislike of the dark and gritty DCEU, but i am perplexed that you would lump this with those (hyperbole aside). Luke is shown as ‘not perfect’ and struggling with how to exist as a perfect legend, and a flawed human. And i feel like he resolves this by the end of the film, so I didn’t come away feeling that he was flawed when i left the theater.

Hi dahmage… It really wasn’t meant for hyperbole, as I know that at least some people enjoy the DCEU (i.e. to them the comparison might be viewed as a compliment).

I think that I alluded to it in my post just before this; I view the treatment of Luke Skywalker and Zack Snyder’s Superman in a similar light. In both cases the filmmakers thought that a darker / flawed version of the character would make for a more interesting and realistic story. Neither resonated with me, but in the case of Luke it’s exacerbated because it’s the continuation of an existing character rather than a re-imagination.

If I stopped supporting DCEU for a “missed” re-imagination, you can imagine I will be doing the same for Star Wars.

The cinematic landscape is not so barren that I will miss a Han Solo prequel, etc. If I catch it on Netflix, great.

Perhaps my parting lesson from Star Wars: “Let the past die. Kill it if you have to.”

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chyron8472 said:

joefavs said:

This definitely needed to be dredged up again.

You do realize that not everyone checks the forums all day everyday, and that when you click on a thread it takes you to your earliest unread post, right?

So people reading through what they’ve missed so far might have input on something somebody said. It’s not unreasonable.

Yes, let’s just revive all the crap that has been resolved days ago, just because some people can’t first read through a thread and then post. This kind of redundancy is the reason why there are so many new pages every day in the first place.

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Frank your Majesty said:

Also, noone came to help them when they were hiding on the planet even though the First Order fleet was decimated, so I don’t think anyone would have sent a tanker while the fleet was still at full force.

I have no idea what the state of affairs is in the galaxy so I can’t guess what is reasonable. I guess the First Order is a powerful military entity with no particular base of operations. And it seems the Resistance is a handful of ships. And since a bunch of planets were destroyed in TFA, all the rest of the galaxy is keeping to themselves? Why couldn’t everyone run off on small ships to Canto Bight or wherever?

The blue elephant in the room.

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Frank your Majesty said:

chyron8472 said:

joefavs said:

This definitely needed to be dredged up again.

You do realize that not everyone checks the forums all day everyday, and that when you click on a thread it takes you to your earliest unread post, right?

So people reading through what they’ve missed so far might have input on something somebody said. It’s not unreasonable.

Yes, let’s just revive all the crap that has been resolved days ago, just because some people can’t first read through a thread and then post. This kind of redundancy is the reason why there are so many new pages every day in the first place.

But he was replying to something from only 7 hours prior, not days. With that logic no one can post in the morning, go to work, and reply after work to a conversation they missed.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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[dahmage said:

I really agree with your dislike of the dark and gritty DCEU, but i am perplexed that you would lump this with those (hyperbole aside). Luke is shown as ‘not perfect’ and struggling with how to exist as a perfect legend, and a flawed human. And i feel like he resolves this by the end of the film, so I didn’t come away feeling that he was flawed when i left the theater.

Sorry, I just realized that I didn’t address your actual point about Luke redeeming himself by the films end. My issue would be his inaction for the 30 years leading up to this film.

JJ / TFA set RJ up with a difficult question to answer: Why would Luke go missing for all of this time? RJ came up with the best answer he felt that he could… that Luke felt compelled to take himself (and the Jedi) out of the equation, leaving the Knights of Ren to run amok.

That just doesn’t ring true to the character for me. Assume for a moment that he DID react in a moment of pure instinct and draw his weapon on this adolescent nephew (not exactly avuncular, but let’s suppose it happened). Would Luke immediately exile himself for that? Would the shame of failure with all of the weight of the galaxy on his shoulders “break” him? RJ would say yes, but I (and at least a very vocal minority) would say no. We already saw Luke deal with the weight of the galaxy on his shoulders and he never gave up on his friends. We saw Luke find out that he was the son of (one of) the biggest bad guys in the galaxy and he didn’t run away into hiding. After getting beaten from one side of Cloud City to another, having his hand lopped off, and being told that he was the heir to a legacy of death and destruction, can anyone imagine an ROTJ where Luke Skywalker has abandoned his friends, leaving Han to be a permanent ice cube and Leia to be Jabba’s own personal concubine? Gritty and realistic. And had ROTJ been made in PTSD aware world of 2017, maybe this is what we would have gotten, but I come to Star Wars for escapism and parables.

I’m with Mark Hamill… “our” Luke would not have acted the way RJ has written him in TLJ. He may have had to regroup, but he would have acted to save Ben and not have abandoned Leia and Han. Only then, AFTER he had righted his wrongs, THEN he might have made the decision to end the Jedi order and exile himself.

So who’s to blame here? Is it JJ for sending Luke off in the first place and creating a mystery box too impossible to answer without destroying a hero? Or RJ for not giving Luke a noble enough reason to abandon his friends and family? Maybe both, I don’t know.

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Mithrandir said:

(since it’s a femminist movie with a liberal ethos, it doesn’t matter who you are because you can be whoever you want to be, not even gender applies)

Interesting theory. Which is to say, you can stop repeating it, we all get that you think this by now.