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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 34

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HotRod said:

Watched it again last night

I now fucking love this film!!

For real?

I’m seeing it again tomorrow…

War does not make one great.

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Yoda Is Your Father said:

HotRod said:

Watched it again last night

I now fucking love this film!!

For real?

I’m seeing it again tomorrow…

I wouldn’t put much stock in anything HotRod says. I love the guy but he’s fucking nuts. And I know he agrees with me.

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TV’s Frink said:

KILLOFFPOE said:

The Disney Trilogy would be so much better if Po was killed off in the opening scenes of TFA as they originally planned.

Poe is a great character so I disagree. However I didn’t call myself SAVEPOE so you probably feel stronger about it than I do.

Poe is a great character, but he’s not the main character. Finn is. At least Finn was supposed to be the main character.

The entire concept of Po was added to the opening crawl and film so he would die. He needs to die so that Finn is in debt to a hero of the Resistance. Po dies so that Finn can live; Finn in turn picks up the leather jacket and BB-8 and will become a hero himself. That’s the setup for the entire trilogy.

But Oscar Isaac is charismatic and swoonworthy, so Di$ney decided to keep him despite the reasons why he was supposed to die. This kills Finn’s character in the process.

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Finn was never supposed to be the main character, Rey was. Finn being the main character was an intentional marketing bait-and-switch, like Snake being the main character in Metal Gear Solid 2.

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I guess I should have said “one of the 3 main characters” with Rey, Kylo, and Finn.

Po definitely not on that list for TFA. He kind of is now a main character in TLJ+.

The lightsaber bait-and-switch thing is true for the character that was supposed to become a Jedi, but he’s still a main character.

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Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.

I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.

I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.

The lightsaber represented Luke, the mission to find him, and the force in general. When she touched it she saw Luke’s history (and heard from his mentors) because it was once his saber. It called to her because the journey to find Luke and learn the force called to her.

At the end of the film, Kylo Ren claims ownership of the saber. Yet who grabs it when it’s stuck in the snow? It ties into the whole idea of the force belonging to everyone and not just the Skywalkers.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Oh shit, Gaff! 😄 I was sad when I came back and realized you weren’t around anymore. So happy to see you pop back in!

That’s me! Always popping!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.

I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.

I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.

The lightsaber represented Luke, the mission to find him, and the force in general. When she touched it she saw Luke’s history (and heard from his mentors) because it was once his saber. It called to her because the journey to find Luke and learn the force called to her.

At the end of the film, Kylo Ren claims ownership of the saber. Yet who grabs it when it’s stuck in the snow? It ties into the whole idea of the force belonging to everyone and not just the Skywalkers.

Cool. Maybe you could be the clever writer who fills in the gaps. 😃 How about that ship leaving Jakku? What should they do about that?

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Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.

I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.

I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.

The lightsaber represented Luke, the mission to find him, and the force in general. When she touched it she saw Luke’s history (and heard from his mentors) because it was once his saber. It called to her because the journey to find Luke and learn the force called to her.

At the end of the film, Kylo Ren claims ownership of the saber. Yet who grabs it when it’s stuck in the snow? It ties into the whole idea of the force belonging to everyone and not just the Skywalkers.

Cool. Maybe you could be the clever writer who fills in the gaps. 😃 How about that ship leaving Jakku? What should they do about that?

Two options:

  • Ben wasn’t 100% right - they didn’t trade her for drinking money, they traded her for a ship to get off Jakku.
  • She tried to escape from Unkar Plutt aboard that ship, but he caught her before she made it.
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Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.

I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.

I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.

The lightsaber represented Luke, the mission to find him, and the force in general. When she touched it she saw Luke’s history (and heard from his mentors) because it was once his saber. It called to her because the journey to find Luke and learn the force called to her.

At the end of the film, Kylo Ren claims ownership of the saber. Yet who grabs it when it’s stuck in the snow? It ties into the whole idea of the force belonging to everyone and not just the Skywalkers.

Cool. Maybe you could be the clever writer who fills in the gaps. 😃 How about that ship leaving Jakku? What should they do about that?

I’m not saying the “force back” as they call it is perfectly done. I think it’s a little messy and lacks a solid flow. But I have no problem with what it represents - the force. The light, and the dark. The ship leaving Jakku is part of the dark side, tapping into Rey’s fears of abandonment and isolation. TLJ makes this connection explicit.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.

I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.

I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.

The lightsaber represented Luke, the mission to find him, and the force in general. When she touched it she saw Luke’s history (and heard from his mentors) because it was once his saber. It called to her because the journey to find Luke and learn the force called to her.

At the end of the film, Kylo Ren claims ownership of the saber. Yet who grabs it when it’s stuck in the snow? It ties into the whole idea of the force belonging to everyone and not just the Skywalkers.

Cool. Maybe you could be the clever writer who fills in the gaps. 😃 How about that ship leaving Jakku? What should they do about that?

Two options:

  • Ben wasn’t 100% right - they didn’t trade her for drinking money, they traded her for a ship to get off Jakku.
  • She tried to escape from Unkar Plutt aboard that ship, but he caught her before she made it.

Neither really works, I think. If they traded her for a ship, why would Ben/RJ randomly hide that fact from us? And how would Unkar Plutt fit into this Force vision? This just screams of retcon either way.

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

DominicCobb said:

Wexter said:

The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.

I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.

I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.

The lightsaber represented Luke, the mission to find him, and the force in general. When she touched it she saw Luke’s history (and heard from his mentors) because it was once his saber. It called to her because the journey to find Luke and learn the force called to her.

At the end of the film, Kylo Ren claims ownership of the saber. Yet who grabs it when it’s stuck in the snow? It ties into the whole idea of the force belonging to everyone and not just the Skywalkers.

Cool. Maybe you could be the clever writer who fills in the gaps. 😃 How about that ship leaving Jakku? What should they do about that?

I’m not saying the “force back” as they call it is perfectly done. I think it’s a little messy and lacks a solid flow. But I have no problem with what it represents - the force. The light, and the dark. The ship leaving Jakku is part of the dark side, tapping into Rey’s fears of abandonment and isolation. TLJ makes this connection explicit.

That’s pretty good, but it just sounds like bit of a conjecture. Kinda makes me think that with this amount of creative interpretation you could even twist anything in the prequels to actually make sense.

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TV’s Frink said:

Ryan said:

dahmage said:

Ryan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.

All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.

This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.

But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.

I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.

Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.

What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that.

Thank goodness.

Seconded. I don’t want to see Luke jumping around doing backflips and stuff like prequels Yoda.

War does not make one great.

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TV’s Frink said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

Collipso said:

Was there a “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” line?

I hate that ‘tradition’ and it was never a ‘tradition’ until the prequels anyway, so fuck it. Good riddance.

Um…it was a tradition that started in ESB* and continued in ROTJ, so…?

*Because it isn’t a tradition until it happens more than once

True. But did anybody really think it was a ‘thing’ back then or was it just something that got said?

Know what I mean? It was only really in the prequels that it because a ‘thing’, and then in TFA it became a thing some more (and felt really lame).

War does not make one great.

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OK I just finished watching the movie and here’s my verdict:
PERFECT.

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Gaffer Tape said:

TV’s Frink said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

Collipso said:

Was there a “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” line?

I hate that ‘tradition’ and it was never a ‘tradition’ until the prequels anyway, so fuck it. Good riddance.

Um…it was a tradition that started in ESB* and continued in ROTJ, so…?

*Because it isn’t a tradition until it happens more than once

Could it be more that it was a coincidence at first before becoming an OFFICIALLY MANDATED THING in the prequels? I dunno. I’m honestly just asking.

Yeah, what Gaffer said.

Oh, hi Gaffer! Long time.

War does not make one great.

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fmalover said:

OK I just finished watching the movie and here’s my verdict:
PERFECT.

Ugh, this kind of review doesn’t help my case.

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Yoda Is Your Father said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan said:

dahmage said:

Ryan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.

All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.

This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.

But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.

I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.

Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.

What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that.

Thank goodness.

Seconded. I don’t want to see Luke jumping around doing backflips and stuff like prequels Yoda.

I probably wouldn’t have wanted to see that either. But would have wanted something like the lightsaber battles in Empire or Jedi, but taken up a couple of notches.

I would have loved a new trilogy about the Jedi Temple and Luke running it but a new Sith Lord comes about and turns one of his powerful pupils to the dark side.

But I think Disney wanted to sell toys, and thus needed Storm Troopers and the New Order in this new trilogy.

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Ryan said:

But I think George Lucas wanted to sell toys, and thus needed Storm Troopers and the Empire in the old trilogy.

Seriously, anyone who only complains about Disney marketing apparently is too young to remember the OT marketing.

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Ryan said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan said:

dahmage said:

Ryan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.

All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.

This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.

But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.

I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.

Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.

What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that.

Thank goodness.

Seconded. I don’t want to see Luke jumping around doing backflips and stuff like prequels Yoda.

I probably wouldn’t have wanted to see that either. But would have wanted something like the lightsaber battles in Empire or Jedi, but taken up a couple of notches.

I would have loved a new trilogy about the Jedi Temple and Luke running it but a new Sith Lord comes about and turns one of his powerful pupils to the dark side.

But I think Disney wanted to sell toys, and thus needed Storm Troopers and the New Order in this new trilogy.

You know what would be cool? A Netflix (or HBO or whatever) miniseries about Luke’s attempts to rebuild the Jedi before Kylo was born (or maybe Kylo’s a kid in it).

It could happen. Give Hamill more work and us more Luke. Please.

War does not make one great.

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I LOVE that this is the only film without an actual lightsaber battle, and the reason for that being that Luke never takes a swing at Ren.

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TV’s Frink said:

Ryan said:

But I think George Lucas wanted to sell toys, and thus needed Storm Troopers and the Empire in this old trilogy.

I just don’t see the New Order, new Storm Troopers, and walkers, etc. being a progression in the story after ROTJ. It just has a retcon feel to it.

I really would like to read Lucas’s story treatment for “his” new trilogy that he sold to Disney. I’m guessing that’s locked up. Maybe Lucas told some friends who will share it down the road.

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DominicCobb said:

I LOVE that this is the only film without an actual lightsaber battle, and the reason for that being that Luke never takes a swing at Ren.

I second this.

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TV’s Frink said:

Ryan said:

But I think George Lucas wanted to sell toys, and thus needed Storm Troopers and the Empire in the old trilogy.

Seriously, anyone who only complains about Disney marketing apparently is too young to remember the OT marketing.

So true. Just yesterday a good geek friend of mine was complaining about Porgs being on the cover of some new IDW comic and I had to point out that when I was a kid I had a C3PO toothbrush, Ewok bed covers, and loved the ‘Droids’ cartoons.

I can live with the merchandising, Star Wars pretty much invented movie merchandising.

War does not make one great.

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Yoda Is Your Father said:

Ryan said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan said:

dahmage said:

Ryan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.

All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.

This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.

But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.

I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.

Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.

What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that.

Thank goodness.

Seconded. I don’t want to see Luke jumping around doing backflips and stuff like prequels Yoda.

I probably wouldn’t have wanted to see that either. But would have wanted something like the lightsaber battles in Empire or Jedi, but taken up a couple of notches.

I would have loved a new trilogy about the Jedi Temple and Luke running it but a new Sith Lord comes about and turns one of his powerful pupils to the dark side.

But I think Disney wanted to sell toys, and thus needed Storm Troopers and the New Order in this new trilogy.

You know what would be cool? A Netflix (or HBO or whatever) miniseries about Luke’s attempts to rebuild the Jedi before Kylo was born (or maybe Kylo’s a kid in it).

It could happen. Give Hamill more work and us more Luke. Please.

I kept thinking the entire time that the story that was hinted at in the flashbacks was the story I was actually pretty interested to see. Instead we got a confused remake of the original trilogy.

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Yoda Is Your Father said:

Ryan said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan said:

dahmage said:

Ryan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.

All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.

This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.

But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.

I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.

Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.

What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that.

Thank goodness.

Seconded. I don’t want to see Luke jumping around doing backflips and stuff like prequels Yoda.

I probably wouldn’t have wanted to see that either. But would have wanted something like the lightsaber battles in Empire or Jedi, but taken up a couple of notches.

I would have loved a new trilogy about the Jedi Temple and Luke running it but a new Sith Lord comes about and turns one of his powerful pupils to the dark side.

But I think Disney wanted to sell toys, and thus needed Storm Troopers and the New Order in this new trilogy.

You know what would be cool? A Netflix (or HBO or whatever) miniseries about Luke’s attempts to rebuild the Jedi before Kylo was born (or maybe Kylo’s a kid in it).

It could happen. Give Hamill more work and us more Luke. Please.

I’d love to see that. But I really doubt that will happen. Plus, I don’t really know how good it will be since it will have a small budget compared to it being a trilogy movie. So it would probably mostly be people sitting around talking the whole episode.