Nandi said:
big thanks for brining that nonstop cartoon Disney humor, we needed it drown the sorrow.
You mean like they did with the characters stepping in poop, farting, Keystone Kops antics on the battlefield, droids getting their heads switched, etc? Yeah, that was so stup…oh, wait, that was all from Lucas.
Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.
All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.
This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.
But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.
I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.
Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.
What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that. Luke might as well been a nobody or a regular person in TLJ not counting the force projection thing he did at the end.
I think it was a huge missed opportunity. I think people were expecting to get a Luke like we got in the extended universe. I kept up with all the Luke theories people had passed 4 years that we were going to get, and none of them were even close to what we got.
I guess now the best we can hope to get something like that would be a post Jedi cartoon or something with Luke doing Jedi Master things.
This is sounding a lot like Yoda vs. Count Dooku in Attack of the Clones or Yoda vs. Emperor in Revenge of the Sith.
I don’t like the prequels. But I did like some of the lightsaber battles. I thought those were the high points of the prequels. I know people who hate the prequels generally say the lightsaber battles weren’t too bad. But I’m not saying those lightsaber battles were perfect or that I liked everything about them or liked every bit of choreography. But I thought they were in the right direction. It’s like they took the lightsaber battles in the OT and cranked it up a notch.
The Disney Trilogy would be so much better if Po was killed off in the opening scenes of TFA as they originally planned.
Significantly changes the character of Finn: former Storm Trooper that needs to live up to the name of the “most daring pilot” that sacrificed his life to save Finn (and gave him his jacket + droid). A lot of that is lost now that Po’s still around.
Plus sets up Rey, Finn, and Kylo as the 3 main characters. That’s a manageable number.
Instead, The Last Jedi was ruined by too many characters:
The entire Disney Trilogy is screwed up thanks to TFA’s ANH-reboot and reset back to Empire vs. Rebels.
Lose the Starkiller base. New Republic is still in power. The First Order is a fringe secret organization in the outer rim, not The Empire again. They don’t have gigantic Dreadnaughts and Stealth Bomber ships.
The Last Jedi might have been a good movie on that smaller scale. (TFA would have been better as well.)
A single Star Destroyer and Rebel Transport locked in a lowspeed chase. That’s a potentially thrilling and dramatic set piece. U-Boat and Sink the Bismarck! vibes. (ALSO A CALLBACK TO THE OPENING OF A NEW HOPE).
As is, they required SO many universe-breaking gotchas to enable the main plot of the movie that the entire Leia/Po/Finn arcs were ruined. Rey/Kylo/Luke are the only things redeemable from this movie. Looking forward to The Last Edit.
Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.
All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.
This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.
But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.
I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.
The coolest thing I’ve ever seen Luke do (in anything - movie, comic, book, video game, or otherwise) was in TLJ.
Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.
All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.
This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.
But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.
I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.
Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.
What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that. Luke might as well been a nobody or a regular person in TLJ not counting the force projection thing he did at the end.
I think it was a huge missed opportunity. I think people were expecting to get a Luke like we got in the extended universe. I kept up with all the Luke theories people had passed 4 years that we were going to get, and none of them were even close to what we got.
I guess now the best we can hope to get something like that would be a post Jedi cartoon or something with Luke doing Jedi Master things.
This is sounding a lot like Yoda vs. Count Dooku in Attack of the Clones or Yoda vs. Emperor in Revenge of the Sith.
I don’t like the prequels. But I did like some of the lightsaber battles. I thought those were the high points of the prequels. I know people who hate the prequels generally say the lightsaber battles weren’t too bad. But I’m not saying those lightsaber battles were perfect or that I liked everything about them or liked every bit of choreography. But I thought they were in the right direction. It’s like they took the lightsaber battles in the OT and cranked it up a notch.
Well, they made it pretty clear that they’d distance themselves from the prequels as much as possible due to its poor reception.
I like some of the prequels’ lightsaber fights too, don’t get me wrong. I like Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul and Obi-Wan vs. Anakin has some great moments and some awful moments too. The rest? Eh not so much.
Yegads what have I become. I’ve never felt like such a nerd.
We’re all nerds to some degree on here 😉
Not me, no sir! How very dare you?!
😉
War does not make one great.
Was there a “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” line?
I hate that ‘tradition’ and it was never a ‘tradition’ until the prequels anyway, so fuck it. Good riddance.
War does not make one great.
BB-8 apparently said “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” in the turbolaser section at the beginning.
Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.
All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.
This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.
But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.
I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.
Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.
What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that.
Thank goodness.
Was there a “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” line?
I hate that ‘tradition’ and it was never a ‘tradition’ until the prequels anyway, so fuck it. Good riddance.
Um…it was a tradition that started in ESB* and continued in ROTJ, so…?
*Because it isn’t a tradition until it happens more than once
The Disney Trilogy would be so much better if Po was killed off in the opening scenes of TFA as they originally planned.
Poe is a great character so I disagree. However I didn’t call myself SAVEPOE so you probably feel stronger about it than I do.
The Disney Trilogy would be so much better if Po was killed off in the opening scenes of TFA as they originally planned.
Poe is a great character so I disagree. However I didn’t call myself SAVEPOE so you probably feel stronger about it than I do.
I actually think we could have done without Poe in TFA. But I feel like his character finally makes sense now in TLJ.
The entire Disney Trilogy is screwed up thanks to TFA’s ANH-reboot and reset back to Empire vs. Rebels.
Lose the Starkiller base. New Republic is still in power. The First Order is a fringe secret organization in the outer rim, not The Empire again. They don’t have gigantic Dreadnaughts and Stealth Bomber ships.
The Last Jedi might have been a good movie on that smaller scale. (TFA would have been better as well.)
A single Star Destroyer and Rebel Transport locked in a lowspeed chase. That’s a potentially thrilling and dramatic set piece. U-Boat and Sink the Bismarck! vibes. (ALSO A CALLBACK TO THE OPENING OF A NEW HOPE).
As is, they required SO many universe-breaking gotchas to enable the main plot of the movie that the entire Leia/Po/Finn arcs were ruined. Rey/Kylo/Luke are the only things redeemable from this movie. Looking forward to The Last Edit.
I’m not totally familiar with the extended universe. But I think this new trilogy should have been centered around something like the Jedi Temple, or whatever was big like that in the extended universe. Have Luke running it. Then maybe there is a new Sith lord emerge and turn one of his pupils to the dark side and becomes his apprentice. And then maybe in 8 Luke battles the Sith lord and dies. And in 9 Luke’s “good” pupil takes on the Sith Lord and his apprentice.
I think something like that would have been a lot better then this New Order and the new Stormtroopers running around, etc.
This whole New Order and new Stormtroopers just feels like they are just trying to remake the OT instead of advancing the story beyond ROTJ.
But maybe we’ll get something like that in the new trilogy Disney is working on.
Was there a “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” line?
I hate that ‘tradition’ and it was never a ‘tradition’ until the prequels anyway, so fuck it. Good riddance.
Um…it was a tradition that started in ESB* and continued in ROTJ, so…?
*Because it isn’t a tradition until it happens more than once
Could it be more that it was a coincidence at first before becoming an OFFICIALLY MANDATED THING in the prequels? I dunno. I’m honestly just asking.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.
I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.
Was there a “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” line?
I hate that ‘tradition’ and it was never a ‘tradition’ until the prequels anyway, so fuck it. Good riddance.
Um…it was a tradition that started in ESB* and continued in ROTJ, so…?
*Because it isn’t a tradition until it happens more than once
Could it be more that it was a coincidence at first before becoming an OFFICIALLY MANDATED THING in the prequels? I dunno. I’m honestly just asking.
Either way the average viewer hears it in every film.
And regardless GAFFER COMES BACK AFTER ALMOST A YEAR AWAY AND THAT’S ALL WE GET, A TOTALLY BENIGN RANDOM QUESTION?
Hi Gaff.
The lightsaber fight with the Praetor guards honestly seemed “Revenge of the Sith spinning lightsabers at each other” level.
The Praetor guards in the beginning kept spinning and running away from Rey and Kylo. When they did attack, they attacked in the same exact location in the same exact way (ex: overhead swing) and then scurried away when their attack was blocked. It was REALLY hilarious looking.
When the focus of the fight got onto them individually fighting the guards the choreography got better, but was still pretty wonky and hilarious (whip guy reeling in Rey, Rey swinging her lightsaber at nothing while Praetor guy just calmly walked up to her, etc)
The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.
I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.
I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.
Either way the average viewer hears it in every film.
And regardless GAFFER COMES BACK AFTER ALMOST A YEAR AWAY AND THAT’S ALL WE GET, A TOTALLY BENIGN RANDOM QUESTION?
Hi Gaff.
Hi, Frink! Well, I wanted to write up my awesomely-worded review of The Last Jedi, but I just haven’t had time, so instead I just did this. Yeah.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.
I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.
I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.
Well the Force was doing that, not her magic space dad
The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.
I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.
I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.
Well the Force was doing that, not her magic space dad
Yeah, I get it. The Force got her in possession of a prop from the OT, had Obi-Wan send a cryptic message to her and reminded her of her parents who left her on Jakku. That silly Force doing funny stuff like this all the time!
Was there a “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” line?
I hate that ‘tradition’ and it was never a ‘tradition’ until the prequels anyway, so fuck it. Good riddance.
Um…it was a tradition that started in ESB* and continued in ROTJ, so…?
*Because it isn’t a tradition until it happens more than once
Could it be more that it was a coincidence at first before becoming an OFFICIALLY MANDATED THING in the prequels? I dunno. I’m honestly just asking.
Oh shit, Gaff! 😄 I was sad when I came back and realized you weren’t around anymore. So happy to see you pop back in!
The lightsaber fight with the Praetor guards honestly seemed “Revenge of the Sith spinning lightsabers at each other” level.
The Praetor guards in the beginning kept spinning and running away from Rey and Kylo. When they did attack, they attacked in the same exact location in the same exact way (ex: overhead swing) and then scurried away when their attack was blocked. It was REALLY hilarious looking.
When the focus of the fight got onto them individually fighting the guards the choreography got better, but was still pretty wonky and hilarious (whip guy reeling in Rey, Rey swinging her lightsaber at nothing while Praetor guy just calmly walked up to her, etc)
Yes, I do think those lightsaber battles with the guards were rather hokey and too choreographed looking. Kind of like they were doing a dance.
This isn’t the only thing. But I do think part of the problem is that the actors playing Rey and Kylo probably aren’t naturally able to swing a sword and do all of those moves like someone who had been training in that for years. So they are probably limited to a heavily choreographed fight, etc. But part of the problem too is probably the person who designed the fights.
For example, look at Ray Park who played Darth Maul. He was trained in that in real life and you could tell he knew what he was doing.
On the other hand Ray Park can’t act, so he didn’t.
FWIW I agree that the throne room fight was too much like the prequels throughout much of it. I might cut it down some.