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Ryan said:

DrDre said:

Matt.F said:

DrDre said:

Snoke somehow forgets to read her mind to get the information he’s been seeking for years. It just doesn’t make sense. There’s no denying it.

However, let’s not pretend these same contrivances exist in the OT, because they don’t. You want to point to a similar contrivance in the OT, please give it your best shot.

Vader also “somehow forgets” to read the mind of Captain Antilles, the captured Rebel Troopers and Princess Leia to find out where the Death Star plans are and where the hidden Rebel base is. There you go, a similar contrivance just as you asked for.

Except the OT never implies a Force user can read a non-Force user’s mind. They are able to influence the weak minded, but Vader still needs a droid when he interrogates Leia aboard the Death Star. As I stated before, it’s a two way street. Luke and Vader are both Force users, Leia and Antilles are not. The only times we see Force users sense another person or their thoughts, it’s with another Force user.

The first time we see a Force user read a non-Force user’s mind is in TFA. You cannot retro-actively apply ST logic to the OT, and claim it is contrived.

Now please stop being such a pedantic killjoy!

You really can’t stop yourself can you. When you read something you don’t agree with, rather then write a coherent argument, you start insulting people. How sad…

Yes! When watching the OT, I never thought of Vader being able to read other’s minds like what we are getting with this new Disney stuff.

I looked at it like Vader and Luke having a telepathic phone call. And so people saying that Vader “read” Luke’s mind to find out Leia was Luke’s twin-sister. I don’t believe that. I look at it like Vader and Luke having a telepathic phone call, and Vader can “sense” that Luke is hiding something. And Vader keeps prodding Luke to reveal his secrets, and then Luke “accidentally” tells Vader telepathically that Leia is his twin-sister and that Obi-Wan had been hiding her.

I mean it’s pretty clear with Vader saying something like “Your feelings have betrayed you”. But I always took from that scene that Vader prodded and got Luke to reveal to him that Leia was his twin-sister and that Obi-Wan had been hiding her from Vader and the Emperor.

Exactly, I completely agree.

The new ST powers retroactively open the door to numerous issues in the OT, that were never there before. However, even if we disregard the OT, and just apply ST logic, TLJ doesn’t explain why Snoke doesn’t read Rey’s mind the moment he links her to Kylo, like he does later in the film, and in stead gambles on the far more complex scenario of having her come to him to ask her where Luke is. Even when she’s right in front of him, he demands she tell him Skywalker’s location, when just moments before he extracted precise information about Luke’s state of mind with zero effort. Should be no trouble for him to get the name of the planet/system where Luke resides without asking.

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Matt.F said:

Ryan, sure he does. He reads Luke’s about having a sister. He also does a ‘long distance’ - I cant believe im rising to the bait - telepathic convo with Luke in the deleted opening to ROTJ. Im sure pedantic boy will have some reason why those moments are invalidated.

He didn’t like the movie and wants everyone to know of his displeasure. I’ve seen the type many times.

There’s a difference between Vader “reading” say Luke’s mind. And Luke and Vader having a telepathic “phone call”. Like in Jedi, think of it like Vader and Luke having a telepathic “phone call”, and Vader can “sense” that Luke is hiding something. And so Vader prods Luke into “accidentally” revealing to him that Leia is his twin-sister and that Obi-Wan had been hiding her.

I mean it’s pretty clear with Vader saying something like “Your feelings have betrayed you”. But I always took from that scene that Vader prodded and got Luke to reveal to him that Leia was his twin-sister and that Obi-Wan had been hiding her from Vader and the Emperor. Then Luke was pissed at himself for revealing it and also about Vader wanting to turn her, and then Luke loses it and with anger of “betraying leia”, he beat the hell out of Vader.

Vader didn’t read Luke’s mind, but Luke accidentally or gave in to Vader and betrayed leia by revealing that she was his twin-sister.

I think the movie speaks for itself as to which is right. But which sounds better to you? I like that Luke revealed it to Vader vs. Vader reading Luke’s mind.

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DrDre said:

Ryan said:

DrDre said:

Matt.F said:

DrDre said:

Snoke somehow forgets to read her mind to get the information he’s been seeking for years. It just doesn’t make sense. There’s no denying it.

However, let’s not pretend these same contrivances exist in the OT, because they don’t. You want to point to a similar contrivance in the OT, please give it your best shot.

Vader also “somehow forgets” to read the mind of Captain Antilles, the captured Rebel Troopers and Princess Leia to find out where the Death Star plans are and where the hidden Rebel base is. There you go, a similar contrivance just as you asked for.

Except the OT never implies a Force user can read a non-Force user’s mind. They are able to influence the weak minded, but Vader still needs a droid when he interrogates Leia aboard the Death Star. As I stated before, it’s a two way street. Luke and Vader are both Force users, Leia and Antilles are not. The only times we see Force users sense another person or their thoughts, it’s with another Force user.

The first time we see a Force user read a non-Force user’s mind is in TFA. You cannot retro-actively apply ST logic to the OT, and claim it is contrived.

Now please stop being such a pedantic killjoy!

You really can’t stop yourself can you. When you read something you don’t agree with, rather then write a coherent argument, you start insulting people. How sad…

Yes! When watching the OT, I never thought of Vader being able to read other’s minds like what we are getting with this new Disney stuff.

I looked at it like Vader and Luke having a telepathic phone call. And so people saying that Vader “read” Luke’s mind to find out Leia was Luke’s twin-sister. I don’t believe that. I look at it like Vader and Luke having a telepathic phone call, and Vader can “sense” that Luke is hiding something. And Vader keeps prodding Luke to reveal his secrets, and then Luke “accidentally” tells Vader telepathically that Leia is his twin-sister and that Obi-Wan had been hiding her.

I mean it’s pretty clear with Vader saying something like “Your feelings have betrayed you”. But I always took from that scene that Vader prodded and got Luke to reveal to him that Leia was his twin-sister and that Obi-Wan had been hiding her from Vader and the Emperor.

Exactly, I completely agree.

The new ST powers retroactively open the door to numerous issues in the OT, that were never there before. However, even if we disregard the OT, and just apply ST logic, TLJ doesn’t explain why Snoke doesn’t read Rey’s mind the moment he links her to Kylo, like he does later in the film, and in stead gambles on the far more complex scenario of having her come to him to ask her where Luke is. Even when she’s right in front of him, he demands she tell him Skywalker’s location, when just moments before he extracted precise information about Luke’s state of mind with zero effort. Should be no trouble for him to get the name of the planet/system where Luke resides without asking.

I think what you are talking about is the Star Wars universe has “rules”. And that the new trilogy came up with new “rules” than what the OT put into play.

But that even with this new trilogy having new “rules”, they don’t consistently follow those rules in these new movies.

I do agree with that. When a universe comes up with “rules”, then they need to stick with those rules in the future and be consistent. I don’t like this new trilogy having different “rules” than what was in the OT. Sure, they could expand on those OT rules, but they shouldn’t make it seem like the OT rules no longer apply to them.

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Ryan said:

DrDre said:

Ryan said:

DrDre said:

Matt.F said:

DrDre said:

Snoke somehow forgets to read her mind to get the information he’s been seeking for years. It just doesn’t make sense. There’s no denying it.

However, let’s not pretend these same contrivances exist in the OT, because they don’t. You want to point to a similar contrivance in the OT, please give it your best shot.

Vader also “somehow forgets” to read the mind of Captain Antilles, the captured Rebel Troopers and Princess Leia to find out where the Death Star plans are and where the hidden Rebel base is. There you go, a similar contrivance just as you asked for.

Except the OT never implies a Force user can read a non-Force user’s mind. They are able to influence the weak minded, but Vader still needs a droid when he interrogates Leia aboard the Death Star. As I stated before, it’s a two way street. Luke and Vader are both Force users, Leia and Antilles are not. The only times we see Force users sense another person or their thoughts, it’s with another Force user.

The first time we see a Force user read a non-Force user’s mind is in TFA. You cannot retro-actively apply ST logic to the OT, and claim it is contrived.

Now please stop being such a pedantic killjoy!

You really can’t stop yourself can you. When you read something you don’t agree with, rather then write a coherent argument, you start insulting people. How sad…

Yes! When watching the OT, I never thought of Vader being able to read other’s minds like what we are getting with this new Disney stuff.

I looked at it like Vader and Luke having a telepathic phone call. And so people saying that Vader “read” Luke’s mind to find out Leia was Luke’s twin-sister. I don’t believe that. I look at it like Vader and Luke having a telepathic phone call, and Vader can “sense” that Luke is hiding something. And Vader keeps prodding Luke to reveal his secrets, and then Luke “accidentally” tells Vader telepathically that Leia is his twin-sister and that Obi-Wan had been hiding her.

I mean it’s pretty clear with Vader saying something like “Your feelings have betrayed you”. But I always took from that scene that Vader prodded and got Luke to reveal to him that Leia was his twin-sister and that Obi-Wan had been hiding her from Vader and the Emperor.

Exactly, I completely agree.

The new ST powers retroactively open the door to numerous issues in the OT, that were never there before. However, even if we disregard the OT, and just apply ST logic, TLJ doesn’t explain why Snoke doesn’t read Rey’s mind the moment he links her to Kylo, like he does later in the film, and in stead gambles on the far more complex scenario of having her come to him to ask her where Luke is. Even when she’s right in front of him, he demands she tell him Skywalker’s location, when just moments before he extracted precise information about Luke’s state of mind with zero effort. Should be no trouble for him to get the name of the planet/system where Luke resides without asking.

I think what you are talking about is the Star Wars universe has “rules”. And that the new trilogy came up with new “rules” than what the OT put into play.

But that even with this new trilogy having new “rules”, they don’t consistently follow those rules in these new movies.

I do agree with that. When a universe comes up with “rules”, then they need to stick with those rules in the future and be consistent. I don’t like this new trilogy having different “rules” than what was in the OT. Sure, they could expand on those OT rules, but they shouldn’t make it seem like the OT rules no longer apply to them.

Agree 100%.

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I never realised calling someone pedantic was such an insult! Let’s summarise.

The chap seems to have decided in his own head how magical Force mind powers work, apparently those with the Force can read other peoples minds but only other people that also have the Force. There’s no evidence within the films to state this is a ‘rule’ (in fact there is evidence to say it isn’t but that evidence is in TFA and apparently that’s inadmissible, there’s also evidence in the deleted opening of ROTJ of people communing long distance but apparently that’s inadmissible too). So the chap has decided to arbitrarily call it a rule that Vader cant read minds unless the person he reads has the Force. This essentially backs up some assertion he has made that Snoke’s mind powers are at odds with the rest of the Saga, ergo backs up his view that The Last Jedi is rubbish and everyone must know and agree with him how rubbish it is.

However… Leia has the Force. As Luke says “You have that power too”. She’s a Skywalker. Always has been. She’s filled with the Force. Oodles of Force. Been there the whole time.

So I’m afraid this chaps ruling on precisely how this magical, imaginary, fictional, mystical power works does not hold water, because according to his rule Vader should have been able to read her mind.

Case closed. Court adjourned. Good day to you sir!

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Yegads what have I become. I’ve never felt like such a nerd.

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Matt.F said:

Yegads what have I become. I’ve never felt like such a nerd.

We’re all nerds to some degree on here 😉

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Matt.F said:

I never realised calling someone pedantic was such an insult! Let’s summarise.

The chap seems to have decided in his own head how magical Force mind powers work, apparently those with the Force can read other peoples minds but only other people that also have the Force. There’s no evidence within the films to state this is a ‘rule’.

In order for something to be contrived, it has to be some sort of rule. Seems pretty logical to me. There’s no precedent in the OT of Force users reading non-Force users minds, and since it would contradict the scene where Vader interrogates Leia aboard the Death Star, we can infer that Lucas didn’t intend that Force users could read a non-Force users mind, otherwise we would have seen a Kylo/Poe type of interrogation in the 1977 film.

(in fact there is evidence to say it isn’t but that evidence is in TFA and apparently that’s inadmissible, there’s also > evidence in the deleted opening of ROTJ of people communing long distance but apparently that’s inadmissible too).

This whole criticism is about the ST arbitrary changing the rules, which it then inconsistently applies. Of course you can then not use this change of the rules as evidence that the the OT breaks the rules, since this rule did not exist when the OT was released. The ROTJ deleted scene is not in the films, so can’t really be considered canon, but even so is the communing between two Force users, so it doesn’t add to the argument.

So the chap has decided to arbitrarily call it a rule that Vader cant read minds unless the person he reads has the Force.

It’s not arbitrary. There’s no evidence in the OT that Force users can read ordinary people’s minds, and a number of scenes that wouldn’t make any sense if they could. As such, it’s logical to consider it a rule, just like it’s a rule that Jedi can’t fly. Has anyone ever stated this in the films? No, but considering the fact that there are numerous occasions where flying might have been useful to a Jedi, and they didn’t, we can infer that Jedi can’t fly.

This essentially backs up some assertion he has made that Snoke’s mind powers are at odds with the rest of the Saga, ergo backs up his view that The Last Jedi is rubbish and everyone must know and agree with him how rubbish it is.

The ST is at odds with the rest of the saga, and TLJ is at odds with itself when Snoke only reads minds when the plot requires it. He conveniently forgets to do this earlier, when Rey’s still on Ach-To with Luke to find out their location.

However… Leia has the Force. As Luke says “You have that power too”. She’s a Skywalker. Always has been. She’s filled with the Force. Oodles of Force. Been there the whole time.

You need to learn how to use the Force, before you can tap into it. I delibirately used the term Force-USER, not someone with Force potential.

So I’m afraid this chaps ruling on precisely how this magical, imaginary, fictional, mystical power works does not hold water, because according to his rule Vader should have been able to read her mind.

Case closed. Court adjourned. Good day to you sir!

It’s an argument, you can provide a counter argument and discuss in a civilized manner without being a **** about it.

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I still think it was a waste with a force projection Luke fighting Kylo Ren. In the moment on first watching before we knew it was a fake force projection, it was like “What’s going on here?”. But I think a “real” Luke should have fought Kylo. As force projection Luke feels empty. I think on repeated viewings in the future, this fight scene will feel real empty and doesn’t give a fulfillment to the conflict between Luke and Kylo.

Imagine if in Return of the Jedi, that we find out at the end that a fake projection Luke or a fake projection Vader was really fighting the other? It would feel real empty.

Or say in A New Hope, that we end up finding out that Obi-Wan was sitting in a closet somewhere on the Death Star. And that he used a force projection to fake fight with Vader, and then Obi-Wan just disappeared. It wouldn’t have a fulfillment like what we got with a REAL Obi-Wan fighting a REAL Vader.

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DrDre said:

This film is really a number of great scenes held together by a terrible plot filled with story contrivances.

This is actually a pretty accurate description; I still love it though.

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So Force users can manipulate non-force users to make them say or do what they want , but they can’t read their minds, yet can read the mind pretty easily of a trained force user? yeh, that seems logical and believable 😉

And, yes Vader DID read luke’s mind in ROTJ. “You’re thoughts betray you. You’re feelings for them are clear, especially…sister…” all this while Luke is trying hard to block Vader from accessing this thoughts. If you think Luke just let all that slip out and projected that direct to Vader, then that really diminishes his character and makes him a very weak individual and a crap jedi. It’s been clear to almost everyone since 1983 that Vader read Luke’s mind. Yet this has only now come up in an poor attempt to say how crap TLJ is.

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Collipso said:

DrDre said:

This film is really a number of great scenes held together by a terrible plot filled with story contrivances.

This is actually a pretty accurate description; I still love it though.

Hey, I enjoyed it also, and it has some great stuff. I would describe it as a pretty good movie, but only a below average Star Wars film, because of the outlined problems, which mostly relate to how it fits in the saga as a whole.

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Matt.F said:

4Chan ‘burner’ accounts been used to skew Rotten Tomatoes user score of The Last Jedi.

Here’s the story: https://movieweb.com/rotten-tomatoes-last-jedi-audience-score-fake-news/

Sad to see - though not surprising given some of the returning trolls on here.

All that time and effort put into something so negative and ultimately worthless (trying to influence a film score on a review site).

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adywan said:

So Force users can manipulate non-force users to make them say or do what they want , but they can’t read their minds, yet can read the mind pretty easily of a trained force user? yeh, that seems logical and believable 😉

So, why did Vader not read Antilles or Leia’s mind? The Jedi mind trick was already introduced in the first movie. If Vader could extract the location of the rebel base via mind reading he would have, but the film makes abundantly clear that he can’t get the information, even with a mind probe, and they need to resort to extortion (and even that fails). Those are the rules my friend, I didn’t make them.

And, yes Vader DID read luke’s mind in ROTJ. “You’re thoughts betray you. You’re feelings for them are clear, especially…sister…” all this while Luke is trying hard to block Vader from accessing this thoughts. If you think Luke just let all that slip out and projected that direct to Vader, then that really diminishes his character and makes him a very weak individual and a crap jedi. It’s been clear to almost everyone since 1983 that Vader read Luke’s mind. Yet this has only now come up in an poor attempt to say how crap TLJ is.

Luke is trying to bury his feelings as Obi-Wan suggested in order to prevent Vader from finding out, but he let’s the information slip. Luke is not an experienced Jedi yet. He’s also overcome with anger and lashes out at Vader, and only holds back at the last moment. Does this make him a crap Jedi?

The Jedi sensing each other through the Force is like connecting to the internet. The moment you plug in, you’re vulnurable to the other Jedi reading your files, and the only way to prevent that, is to have a proper firewall, which you can only properly maintain, if you have enough experience. If you’re not connected to the internet, your files are safe, but an experienced Jedi can still access your bios, even if they can’t access your file system.

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No worries chap, I think we will have to agree to disagree.

I very much enjoyed The Last Jedi, and whether you like it or not, it is now part of the Star Wars Saga and so are the ‘rules’ - for want of a better word - established within.

You’re very welcome to decide what to include in your own personal canon and your own special rules chap, wont include deleted scenes, wont include sequels, wont include prequels, etc. You’ve tied yourself in knots. Whatever helps you enjoy the films!

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adywan said:

So Force users can manipulate non-force users to make them say or do what they want , but they can’t read their minds, yet can read the mind pretty easily of a trained force user? yeh, that seems logical and believable 😉

And, yes Vader DID read luke’s mind in ROTJ. “You’re thoughts betray you. You’re feelings for them are clear, especially…sister…” all this while Luke is trying hard to block Vader from accessing this thoughts. If you think Luke just let all that slip out and projected that direct to Vader, then that really diminishes his character and makes him a very weak individual and a crap jedi. It’s been clear to almost everyone since 1983 that Vader read Luke’s mind. Yet this has only now come up in an poor attempt to say how crap TLJ is.

I can understand your viewpoint on this. The “You’re thoughts betray you.” I think of that as Luke thinking out loud while he was telepathically talking with Vader. I view it as Vader prodding Luke to get him to reveal his secrets, and then Luke trying to not think about Leia and keep it a secret, but he can’t and thinks it out loud while Vader is telepathically listening to him.

The OT doesn’t establish that Vader can “read minds”. It’s actually the opposite with Vader having to resort to torture to find out information others have.

So, my theory of what’s going on in the OT is supported by what we see in the OT movies.

But let me ask, with all of the interviews that Lucas has done. Has he ever said that OT Vader could “read minds”?

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No worries chap, I think we will have to agree to disagree.

I very much enjoyed The Last Jedi, and whether you like it or not, it is now part of the Star Wars Saga and so are the ‘rules’ - for want of a better word - established within.

You’re very welcome to decide what to include in your own personal canon and your own special rules chap, wont include deleted scenes, wont include sequels, wont include prequels, etc. Whatever helps you enjoy the films!

Don’t worry I’ll enjoy all the movies in their own terms, and as part of established canon even if it’s not applied consistently (IMO). This however doesn’t prohibit judging a new film against previously established works.

I’m not in the habit of loving a film simply because it has the label Star Wars on it, and am simply expressing my personal opinions and preferences. Anyone is welcome to agree or disagree, and shouldn’t take personal offense.

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Matt.F said:

4Chan ‘burner’ accounts been used to skew Rotten Tomatoes user score of The Last Jedi.

Here’s the story: https://movieweb.com/rotten-tomatoes-last-jedi-audience-score-fake-news/

Sad to see - though not surprising given some of the returning trolls on here.

All that time and effort put into something so negative and ultimately worthless (trying to influence a film score on a review site).

Pretty sure it’s constantly done to give high scores as well (but studios won’t bother checking if it’s “fake news” when they get “100%” for something as bad as John Wick). Fun part ? The 50% RT score is something I’ve witnessed in real life, with most of the people I know that found the movie very bad and a few others who like a little bit this SW flick.

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I’ve been wanting to build a New Hope Luke Skywalker lightsaber with those “Yoda” Kyber crystal chamber inside. I think those things are cool, but seem to be pricey. But I’ve been wanting to do that for many years now. But in The Last Jedi, I think Luke disrespects that lightsaber. And he treats it like it’s a piece of crap or something. And it’s just kind of a turn off of building a lightsaber now.

I used to have one of those FX Luke A New Hope lightsabers many years ago. The one where you can remove the blade. I believe the newer ones don’t let you remove the blade.

Does anyone know who built the Empire Strikes Back Luke lightsaber for these new movies? I’m wondering if this was built in Disney or Lucasfilm? Or if they outsourced it to a fan club thing like they did with R2-D2?

I have to say even though I don’t like how they treated the lightsaber in TLJ, I wouldn’t mind owning the lightsaber prop, even the one that was tore in two. Mainly because I’d want to see how they did a Kyber crystal chamber thing inside. I’ll have to wait until the Blu-Ray to pause and see if it shows on screen the inside of the lightsaber when it’s torn in two.

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DrDre said:

Collipso said:

DrDre said:

This film is really a number of great scenes held together by a terrible plot filled with story contrivances.

This is actually a pretty accurate description; I still love it though.

Hey, I enjoyed it also, and it has some great stuff. I would describe it as a pretty good movie, but only a below average Star Wars film, because of the outlined problems, which mostly relate to how it fits in the saga as a whole.

As a movie I think it has major problems, such as a “ticking clock” that sacrificed moments that would otherwise be extremely important for character development. The flow of scenes in the first act didn’t feel right, and the pace (because of subplots) and tone (because of the excessive jokes) of the movie both felt off. Just my opinion though.

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Collipso said:

DrDre said:

Collipso said:

DrDre said:

This film is really a number of great scenes held together by a terrible plot filled with story contrivances.

This is actually a pretty accurate description; I still love it though.

Hey, I enjoyed it also, and it has some great stuff. I would describe it as a pretty good movie, but only a below average Star Wars film, because of the outlined problems, which mostly relate to how it fits in the saga as a whole.

As a movie I think it has major problems, such as a “ticking clock” that sacrificed moments that would otherwise be extremely important for character development. The flow of scenes in the first act didn’t feel right, and the pace (because of subplots) and tone (because of the excessive jokes) of the movie both felt off. Just my opinion though.

I agree. The movie tries to be many things at the same time in my view.

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Collipso said:

DrDre said:

Collipso said:

DrDre said:

This film is really a number of great scenes held together by a terrible plot filled with story contrivances.

This is actually a pretty accurate description; I still love it though.

Hey, I enjoyed it also, and it has some great stuff. I would describe it as a pretty good movie, but only a below average Star Wars film, because of the outlined problems, which mostly relate to how it fits in the saga as a whole.

As a movie I think it has major problems, such as a “ticking clock” that sacrificed moments that would otherwise be extremely important for character development. The flow of scenes in the first act didn’t feel right, and the pace (because of subplots) and tone (because of the excessive jokes) of the movie both felt off. Just my opinion though.

I’m surprised they let that humor in TLJ knowing how most of us hated the “humor” in the prequels. I didn’t like the movie, but I’d have liked the movie “more” if it didn’t have the crap humor in it.

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Ryan said:
But let me ask, with all of the interviews that Lucas has done. Has he ever said that OT Vader could “read minds”?

Yes, it’s referenced in A New Hope during the Death Star conference the officer says '‘Your sad devotion to that ancient religion hasn’t helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels’ hidden fortress."

Vader also states that Leia’s “resistance to the mind probe is considerable”.

This backs up exactly what Adywan has said - that those with the Force are actually BETTER at resisting mind probing than those without. It is the opposite of this convoluted nonsense that DrDre has been tying himself in knots trying to justify.

If you want an in-universe explanation, then yes Vader does have clairvoyance, but no - after all his injuries he just isn’t very good at it and prefers to settle things with the old force choke instead!

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Saw it again last night. It definitely grows on you with repeated viewings, but Luke’s death is still very hard to deal with. Johnson did knock it out of the park though. Very much looking forward to his trilogy.

I read somewhere that the sound editor for The Last Jedi did not include the routine Wilhelm scream, but rather used a different sound effect that was also used in Rogue One. Has anyone heard about this?

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