Snoke somehow forgets to read her mind to get the information he’s been seeking for years. It just doesn’t make sense. There’s no denying it.
However, let’s not pretend these same contrivances exist in the OT, because they don’t. You want to point to a similar contrivance in the OT, please give it your best shot.
Vader also “somehow forgets” to read the mind of Captain Antilles, the captured Rebel Troopers and Princess Leia to find out where the Death Star plans are and where the hidden Rebel base is. There you go, a similar contrivance just as you asked for.
Except the OT never implies a Force user can read a non-Force user’s mind. They are able to influence the weak minded, but Vader still needs a droid when he interrogates Leia aboard the Death Star. As I stated before, it’s a two way street. Luke and Vader are both Force users, Leia and Antilles are not. The only times we see Force users sense another person or their thoughts, it’s with another Force user.
The first time we see a Force user read a non-Force user’s mind is in TFA. You cannot retro-actively apply ST logic to the OT, and claim it is contrived.
Now please stop being such a pedantic killjoy!
You really can’t stop yourself can you. When you read something you don’t agree with, rather then write a coherent argument, you start insulting people. How sad…
Yes! When watching the OT, I never thought of Vader being able to read other’s minds like what we are getting with this new Disney stuff.
I looked at it like Vader and Luke having a telepathic phone call. And so people saying that Vader “read” Luke’s mind to find out Leia was Luke’s twin-sister. I don’t believe that. I look at it like Vader and Luke having a telepathic phone call, and Vader can “sense” that Luke is hiding something. And Vader keeps prodding Luke to reveal his secrets, and then Luke “accidentally” tells Vader telepathically that Leia is his twin-sister and that Obi-Wan had been hiding her.
I mean it’s pretty clear with Vader saying something like “Your feelings have betrayed you”. But I always took from that scene that Vader prodded and got Luke to reveal to him that Leia was his twin-sister and that Obi-Wan had been hiding her from Vader and the Emperor.
Exactly, I completely agree.
The new ST powers retroactively open the door to numerous issues in the OT, that were never there before. However, even if we disregard the OT, and just apply ST logic, TLJ doesn’t explain why Snoke doesn’t read Rey’s mind the moment he links her to Kylo, like he does later in the film, and in stead gambles on the far more complex scenario of having her come to him to ask her where Luke is. Even when she’s right in front of him, he demands she tell him Skywalker’s location, when just moments before he extracted precise information about Luke’s state of mind with zero effort. Should be no trouble for him to get the name of the planet/system where Luke resides without asking.