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Hardcore Legend said:

Also, while it is cool to see Jedi Master Luke Skywalker in his new Jedi Order days, I still don’t know how I feel about these flashbacks. We didn’t need to see Vader ‘killing Anakin’ when Ben told the story to Luke for it to work for the viewer.

I was personally surprised how little I minded that tradition breaking. I think it’s important for its Rashomon purposes.

Furthermore, why should the First Order follow Kylo Ren? I’m not sure what he has accomplished (unless I’ve missed something in the new EU).

They’ve been very hush hush about him in the new canon (if I’m not mistaken, his brief appearance in Battlefront II might be his only out of film appearance). But I don’t see the issue. He was clearly Snoke’s right hand guy like Vader was to the Emperor, and he could pretty much kill anyone who stands in his way (as is demonstrated with Hux).

I liked the movie and will watch it over and over again, just like all other Star Wars films. I just think the progression of the story in the last two films has been actually worse than the prequel trilogy.

I think you need to watch both these films and the prequels again, and see how off base you are.

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He says the temptation came over him but for a brief moment. He wasn’t going to actually do it.

Yeah I get that; what I don’t get is why it even came to that point to begin with? I mean we have to consider, it wasn’t simply a tempting thought, but those thoughts actually compelled Luke to pull out his lightsaber and ignite it! That’s so irrational of Luke. Sure, I bet killing Kylo is a thought would had crossed anyone’s mind if they learned Kylo’s taint of the darkside, but this is Luke here. I’d buy Luke was outside of Kylo’s hut, stewing back and forth of what to do and how to confront him; however again, it’s beyond me to think this temptation compelled Luke to pull out his lightsaber and stop himself from committing the murder at the last second.

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Luke’s final version and what is generally accepted as the true version has Luke go in to read kylo Ren’s mind. After seeing kylo rens darkness he has what he describes as a very brief moment of thinking that it would be better to kill him. And without thinking ignited his lightsaber and immediately, immediately regretted that decision.
No, again, it makes no sense. Luke in ROTJ was struggling between whether to kill Vader or redeem him, and yes, it came to that point where he was tempted to really finish Vader off, but he came to senses to not fall for the bait. So all these years later, that lesson he learned was for nothing…?

I don’t get all these complaints that boil down to “Luke would never do that” (including disappearing in the first place) when we basically saw nothing that happened between the end of ROTJ and TFA/TLJ. People change, especially those that have suffered trauma. It’s the same complaint about Han that makes no sense either.

Sorry, but in movies you don’t change people’s characters off-screen unless it’s logical. Luke growing wiser and more confident between TESB and ROTJ is logical. Luke going from believing in his Nazi father to contemplating his nephews murder is not. Such a change of character needs to be explained more thoroughly. Given that so many don’t buy the way Luke behaves, I think it’s clear this part of the plot is underdeveloped.

There is no reason for Luke to believe in his Nazi father after ESB.

“But he felt the good in him!”

Yeah but didn’t he also feel the bad in Ben?

Again these criticisms make no sense. I’m sorry you have a problem with the fact that he hasn’t remained the same exact character for 30+ years and that he’s imperfect and relatable.

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They’ve been very hush hush about him in the new canon (if I’m not mistaken, his brief appearance in Battlefront II might be his only out of film appearance). But I don’t see the issue. He was clearly Snoke’s right hand guy like Vader was to the Emperor, and he could pretty much kill anyone who stands in his way (as is demonstrated with Hux).

Darth Vader eradicated an entire organization of trained force users. In his previous life, he was a war hero. Darth Vader had clout to lead the Galactic Empire should he chose to. What has Kyle Ren accomplished? I’m not saying he hasn’t proven himself worthy of the position he now holds in some off-screen way, but they’ve done nothing on screen to give him the position other than kill Snoke to impress a girl.

I liked the movie and will watch it over and over again, just like all other Star Wars films. I just think the progression of the story in the last two films has been actually worse than the prequel trilogy.

I think you need to watch both these films and the prequels again, and see how off base you are.

The prequels has bad dialog, dated CGI and was bogged down in irrelevant republic bureaucracy but the core arch of the main character was clear: gifted slave child falls in love with a royal, only to have his love be forbidden by those who raise him. Because of the secret nature of his love, he falls victim to dangerous promises to protect the life of the woman he loves. He reaches the pinnacle of his craft, only to fall from grace due to his insecurities. In the end, his mistakes and arrogance are what lead to her death. He is forced to live out his life a damages, shell of a man both physically and emotionally.

What is the story arch of Rey’s character thus far? Due to the condensed nature of these two films, she hasn’t been given any space to grow. The easiest way to accelerate character growth is to have them overcome a struggle or defeat. She hasn’t been defeated in any way. I don’t see what her character has left to do in this trilogy other than to kill Ben and as best I can tell, she could walk up to him and do that at any time should she chose.

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Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

They’ve been very hush hush about him in the new canon (if I’m not mistaken, his brief appearance in Battlefront II might be his only out of film appearance). But I don’t see the issue. He was clearly Snoke’s right hand guy like Vader was to the Emperor, and he could pretty much kill anyone who stands in his way (as is demonstrated with Hux).

Darth Vader eradicated an entire organization of trained force users. In his previous life, he was a war hero. Darth Vader had clout to lead the Galactic Empire should he chose to. What has Kyle Ren accomplished? I’m not saying he hasn’t proven himself worthy of the position he now holds in some off-screen way, but they’ve done nothing on screen to give him the position other than kill Snoke to impress a girl.

Honestly Kylo Ren has also eradicated an entire organization that was being led by a legend.

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Ironically, I think the prequels can be greatly improved with fan edits, but I don’t think there’s any way to fan-edit out the objectionable stuff in this one to make it better.

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Ironically, I think the prequels can be greatly improved with fan edits, but I don’t think there’s any way to fan-edit out the objectionable stuff in this one to make it better.

Wait, switch that, reverse it.

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Rhindle said:

Ironically, I think the prequels can be greatly improved with fan edits, but I don’t think there’s any way to fan-edit out the objectionable stuff in this one to make it better.

Really? I feel like The Force Awakens is hard to edit in a way that would please those who didn’t like it at first. If you trim down the fat in The Last Jedi however, I’m pretty sure most people that didn’t like it would like it. The Prequel Trilogy is a lost cause if you don’t like it.

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He says the temptation came over him but for a brief moment. He wasn’t going to actually do it.

Yeah I get that; what I don’t get is why it even came to that point to begin with? I mean we have to consider, it wasn’t simply a tempting thought, but those thoughts actually compelled Luke to pull out his lightsaber and ignite it! That’s so irrational of Luke. Sure, I bet killing Kylo is a thought would had crossed anyone’s mind if they learned Kylo’s taint of the darkside, but this is Luke here. I’d buy Luke was outside of Kylo’s hut, stewing back and forth of what to do and how to confront him; however again, it’s beyond me to think this temptation compelled Luke to pull out his lightsaber and stop himself from committing the murder at the last second.

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Luke’s final version and what is generally accepted as the true version has Luke go in to read kylo Ren’s mind. After seeing kylo rens darkness he has what he describes as a very brief moment of thinking that it would be better to kill him. And without thinking ignited his lightsaber and immediately, immediately regretted that decision.
No, again, it makes no sense. Luke in ROTJ was struggling between whether to kill Vader or redeem him, and yes, it came to that point where he was tempted to really finish Vader off, but he came to senses to not fall for the bait. So all these years later, that lesson he learned was for nothing…?

I don’t get all these complaints that boil down to “Luke would never do that” (including disappearing in the first place) when we basically saw nothing that happened between the end of ROTJ and TFA/TLJ. People change, especially those that have suffered trauma. It’s the same complaint about Han that makes no sense either.

Sorry, but in movies you don’t change people’s characters off-screen unless it’s logical. Luke growing wiser and more confident between TESB and ROTJ is logical. Luke going from believing in his Nazi father to contemplating his nephews murder is not. Such a change of character needs to be explained more thoroughly. Given that so many don’t buy the way Luke behaves, I think it’s clear this part of the plot is underdeveloped.

There is no reason for Luke to believe in his Nazi father after ESB.

“But he felt the good in him!”

Yeah but didn’t he also feel the bad in Ben?

There is, because Luke has continually been shown to be a somewhat naive idealist. He risks his life in a suicide mission to destroy the Deathstar. He’s confident, he can make a difference in the battle of Hoth. He goes to save his friends, even though both Obi-Wan and Yoda say he should not. He has a history of believing in a positive outcome despite terrible odds. So in this context, him refusing to believe the father he’s been idealizing all his life is lost makes perfect sense. That was his character. That character would not contemplate the murder of Leia and Han’s son long enough to ignite his lightsaber. It’s the anti-thesis of his character in the OT, and thus requires explanation. Even Mark Hamill who played the character doesn’t buy it, and has gone on record on how he pictures scenarios that Luke lost his wife or something, to become the character he is in TLJ.

Again these criticisms make no sense. I’m sorry you have a problem with the fact that he hasn’t remained the same exact character for 30+ years and that he’s imperfect and relatable.

I don’t have a problem that he hasn’t remained the same character. I have a problem with changing a character off screen without a good explanation. That is inconsistent to me, and thus not relatable. It is a plot hole, and people criticizing plot holes, including the actor who played the character, make perfect sense.

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Hardcore Legend said:

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They’ve been very hush hush about him in the new canon (if I’m not mistaken, his brief appearance in Battlefront II might be his only out of film appearance). But I don’t see the issue. He was clearly Snoke’s right hand guy like Vader was to the Emperor, and he could pretty much kill anyone who stands in his way (as is demonstrated with Hux).

Darth Vader eradicated an entire organization of trained force users. In his previous life, he was a war hero. Darth Vader had clout to lead the Galactic Empire should he chose to. What has Kyle Ren accomplished? I’m not saying he hasn’t proven himself worthy of the position he now holds in some off-screen way, but they’ve done nothing on screen to give him the position other than kill Snoke to impress a girl.

I never said they were equal in terms of accomplishments. But who knows what Kylo Ren has done, I imagine a fair amount. Either way, Snoke put him at his side, and his power is evident. I don’t see the issue.

Unrelated, “kill Snoke to impress a girl” is incredibly off base.

I liked the movie and will watch it over and over again, just like all other Star Wars films. I just think the progression of the story in the last two films has been actually worse than the prequel trilogy.

I think you need to watch both these films and the prequels again, and see how off base you are.

The prequels has bad dialog, dated CGI and was bogged down in irrelevant republic bureaucracy but the core arch of the main character was clear: gifted slave child falls in love with a royal, only to have his love be forbidden by those who raise him. Because of the secret nature of his love, he falls victim to dangerous promises to protect the life of the woman he loves. He reaches the pinnacle of his craft, only to fall from grace due to his insecurities. In the end, his mistakes and arrogance are what lead to her death. He is forced to live out his life a damages, shell of a man both physically and emotionally.

What is the story arch of Rey’s character thus far? Due to the condensed nature of these two films, she hasn’t been given any space to grow. The easiest way to accelerate character growth is to have them overcome a struggle or defeat. She hasn’t been defeated in any way. I don’t see what her character has left to do in this trilogy other than to kill Ben and as best I can tell, she could walk up to him and do that at any time should she chose.

I don’t know why I even have to explain this, but Rey is a scavenger from Jakku, a nobody who hopes to someday be somebody when her parents return. She learns it is time to move on and help the Resistance and train to learn, yet she finds doing this is not so easy as she finds these new heightened feelings confused and only exacerbating her unresolved desire to reconnect with her parents and fulfill whatever her destiny is supposed to be. But, what she comes to terms with is that her parents were nobody, and that’s okay, because it means she can create her own destiny and find her own family, in the Resistance.

As to what next, unlike the PT we don’t know where this is going (which is a good thing). Also, unlike the PT, her arc is believable, unlike the PT where first of all Anakin and Padme’s romance is a bit creepy because of their ages in TPM, and second of all is incredibly creepy and in no way believable because of Anakin’s portrayal in AOTC, and his eventual fall to the dark side is rushed and sloppily handled in ROTS.

As for Rey’s struggles, just watch the movies again. Why hasn’t Rey killed Ben yet? No idea. There definitely wasn’t a scene in TLJ where she tries to do just that yet can’t.

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Saw it today. To me it was almost overwhelming how good it was. My only complaint is the excessive humor. Most of the humor was good, but I just think for the sake of a consistent tone a few bits of it could be trimmed while the best stayed and the film would benefit.

Also I thought yoda looked terrible, not nobody else seems to mention that so maybe it’s just me.

I love the risks it took. I saw almost nothing that happened in this movie coming until it was moments away. (The music would start to give what was about to happen away and I would just be like "no… Surely they aren’t about to… Wwoah!) even accidentally the day before going I found out Luke was gonna die and even that didn’t happen how I expected.

I will echo others that there are some low points . Such as the casino. But the highs are just so high it almost doesn’t matter. The throne room scenes and snokes death were amazing. Some moments in this movie gave me goosebumps. I liked tfa, but this totally blew it out of the water.

8/10. (As much as I enjoyed 80% of it the excessive humor still can’t just be ignored. But this should be super easy to fan edit into a 9/10 with just a few trims). All it really needed to get a 9/10 was maybe more editing.

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Saw it today. To me it was almost overwhelming how good it was. My only complaint is the excessive humor. Most of the humor was good, but I just think for the sake of a consistent tone a few bits of it could be trimmed while the best stayed and the film would benefit.

Also I thought yoda looked terrible, not nobody else seems to mention that so maybe it’s just me.

I love the risks it took. I saw almost nothing that happened in this movie coming until it was moments away. (The music would start to give what was about to happen away and I would just be like "no… Surely they aren’t about to… Wwoah!) even accidentally the day before going I found out Luke was gonna die and even that didn’t happen how I expected.

I will echo others that there are some low points . Such as the casino. But the highs are just so high it almost doesn’t matter. The throne room scenes and snokes death were amazing. Some moments in this movie gave me goosebumps. I liked tfa, but this totally blew it out of the water.

8/10. (As much as I enjoyed 80% of it the excessive humor still can’t just be ignored. But this should be super easy to fan edit into a 9/10 with just a few trims). All it really needed to get a 9/10 was maybe more editing.

Actually a lot of people complained about Yoda, mostly about the first few seconds he was on screen.

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The consensus seems to be he looks weird/bad in the wide shots but great in the close ups. Don’t know how it works like that, but I agree.

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I thought it looked bad the entire time. I would rather even have the cgi yoda from three prequels than this. His dialogue and everything else was fine but they should have spent more time on his appearance. His face looked swollen.

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Rhindle said:

Ironically, I think the prequels can be greatly improved with fan edits, but I don’t think there’s any way to fan-edit out the objectionable stuff in this one to make it better.

Really? I feel like The Force Awakens is hard to edit in a way that would please those who didn’t like it at first. If you trim down the fat in The Last Jedi however, I’m pretty sure most people that didn’t like it would like it. The Prequel Trilogy is a lost cause if you don’t like it.

Except my main issue with the movie is how characters behave and storylines presented in TFA are resolved. Sure you could remove the irrelevant Finn/Rose plot, but that’s not going to solve all the other stuff that was underwhelming.

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I’m totally on board with Luke’s story in this movie. The shame of that moment - that one second where he contemplated killing Kylo - reminds me of the type of conflict that the prequels tried (and failed IMO) to address with Anakin. It’s the danger of premonition leading to self-fulfilling prophecy. Luke was basically put in the classic ‘would you kill baby Hitler if you could go back in time’ scenario. Luke saw history repeating itself in the most awful way, had an all-too human reaction, and paid a terrible price for it.

To me it doesn’t conflict at all with his actions in ROTJ, but I must confess to never having thought of Luke’s actions in that film as being particularly noble. Making sure he stayed ‘Zen’ and winning Vader a seat in Jedi heaven was of no help whatsoever to the people fighting and dying out in space and on Endor.

So yeah, I loved Luke in this movie.

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Unrelated, “kill Snoke to impress a girl” is incredibly off base.

If it wasn’t to sway Rey, he would have killed her as well.

I liked the movie and will watch it over and over again, just like all other Star Wars films. I just think the progression of the story in the last two films has been actually worse than the prequel trilogy.

I think you need to watch both these films and the prequels again, and see how off base you are.

Lol, ok. Snoke just essentially became Count Dooku.

The prequels has bad dialog, dated CGI and was bogged down in irrelevant republic bureaucracy but the core arch of the main character was clear: gifted slave child falls in love with a royal, only to have his love be forbidden by those who raise him. Because of the secret nature of his love, he falls victim to dangerous promises to protect the life of the woman he loves. He reaches the pinnacle of his craft, only to fall from grace due to his insecurities. In the end, his mistakes and arrogance are what lead to her death. He is forced to live out his life a damages, shell of a man both physically and emotionally.

What is the story arch of Rey’s character thus far? Due to the condensed nature of these two films, she hasn’t been given any space to grow. The easiest way to accelerate character growth is to have them overcome a struggle or defeat. She hasn’t been defeated in any way. I don’t see what her character has left to do in this trilogy other than to kill Ben and as best I can tell, she could walk up to him and do that at any time should she chose.

I don’t know why I even have to explain this,

Because the filmmakers have done such a poor job of it?

but Rey is a scavenger from Jakku, a nobody who hopes to someday be somebody when her parents return. She learns it is time to move on and help the Resistance and train to learn, yet she finds doing this is not so easy as she finds these new heightened feelings confused and only exacerbating her unresolved desire to reconnect with her parents and fulfill whatever her destiny is supposed to be. But, what she comes to terms with is that her parents were nobody, and that’s okay, because it means she can create her own destiny and find her own family, in the Resistance.

That doesn’t make an epic story. How does she learn any of that? Even at the lowest point of Luke not helping her, she is in complete control of her own destiny. When she arrives before Snoke in what clearly was a mistake, she goes through 30 seconds of anguish from Snoke’s Force whateverthatwas and getting hit in the back of the head with her own lightsaber hilt. She recovers completely to the point that she can wipe out Snoke’s entire protection service. After that, unless I missed something, she spends the rest of the movie back on the Falcon shooting Tie Fighters and lifting rocks.

As to what next, unlike the PT we don’t know where this is going (which is a good thing). Also, unlike the PT, her arc is believable, unlike the PT where first of all Anakin and Padme’s romance is a bit creepy because of their ages in TPM, and second of all is incredibly creepy and in no way believable because of Anakin’s portrayal in AOTC, and his eventual fall to the dark side is rushed and sloppily handled in ROTS.

The difference is in the direction and the dialogue. Both were awful in the PT. But when you look at the story Lucas tried to tell, it was a story of love, loss, arrogance and the fall of a hero. His main hero was going somewhere on his journey. He lost and failed. He lost the man who freed him, he lost his mother, he lost his arm, he lost his wife and children, he betrayed everyone who loved him. He embarrassed himself with his arrogance. He had character flaws that he either had to overcome or they would destroy him. What are Rey’s flaws and what danger do they present to her? What are her weaknesses that still threaten her in this epic story?

I’d also argue that Rey has no arc. Her character is relatively unchanged from the moment we meet her until now, other than she knows how to use her special powers (which she gains from 2 days of mild meditation). She has not needed the Resistance or friends since she left Jakku. If you remove them from the story, her story continues on exactly the same. She is captured by Ren, frees herself. She faces Ren, defeats him herself. She sets out to find Luke by herself. She turns herself in to Snoke, escapes his Destroyer without any aide from the Resistence. She is still the lonely junker. Unlike Luke, she didn’t offer to sacrifice herself to save her friends/the cause. Luke’s journey was to save a princess, save the rebellion, then save his friends, finally his father. What is her journey? To figure out who she is, when she already always knew she was nobody? They’ve given the character nowhere logical direction to go, except in some rushed direction with only one film left to do it.

Daisy is a great actress and Rey’s character is fun to watch, but there is nothing to it.

Finn’s character is actually the one that has grown the most. He has suffered defeat numerous times and come out a better person for it. He DOES offer to sacrifice himself for the cause after starting out as a selfish coward. His motives change from being all about protecting Rey to being about saving the lives of others.

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Killing a student who had turned to the Dark Side is a very Jedi thing to do, from a prequel point of view. Even Obi-wan in ROTJ was saying that Luke needed to kill Vader, and Yoda said that there was no coming back after beginning the dark path. Sure, Luke seemed to grow beyond that in ROTJ, but the concept of killing a relative lost to the Dark Side was the primary conflict of that movie. I think he genuinely wrestled with that question, even at the end. To consider that he could return to that state of mind in a moment of weakness isn’t beyond the pale to me at all.

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I still think 10 years from now. Most of the people who love 7-9 will be complaining about how much crap it is. Just like what happened with the prequels. Lots of people loved them at the time, and it seems to have taken 10 years for people to realize how crappy the prequels were. Though I thought the prequels were crap when they were being released just like now with the new trilogy.

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A whole lot of adults watched the Phantom Menace multiple times in the theater, believing that it was simply amazing but finding more problems with each viewing. But by the time AOTC came out, most people knew that the movies were hot garbage. I know I did, and I was still a kid. I remember going to ROTS out of morbid curiosity.

This trilogy is nowhere near that level.

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The ST doesn’t even have a Jar Jar Binks. I was certain the Porgs were going to claim the throne though. 😉

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I have yet to read through this thread but I just came home from seeing The Last Jedi and I must say, I’m unimpressed. Now before anyone says that I’m just b**hing just to bh (censored for the thought police, only kidding mods), I LOVED The Force Awakens. Yes, you can say that Rey is kind of a Mary Sue, and yes, you can say that the plot was kind of ripped beat for beat from Star Wars (or as aholes call it, A New Hope) and you can even say that the movie had no climax. When I heard Harrison Ford was returning, I expected him to die. He stated years ago in an old interview that the only way he’d return to the galaxy far, far away is if they killed Han Solo. Beyond that, what’s the climax? Blowing up a third Death Star? Setting all that nit-picking bullst aside, it was a fun, well paced movie with MASTERFULLY done directing. All of the above issues lie completely in the script. The actors really flesh out what are under-written characters with great, charismatic performances.

The same cannot be said for The Last Jedi however. If you like the movie, I’m not s**ting on you for liking it. I kind of like The Phantom Menace and LOVE Revenge of the Sith. So I know how it feels to be constantly berated for liking something the majority of people don’t. That’s not what this is. I felt like Rogue One was a disorganized mess but I was willing to cut Disney a bit of slack because they were experimenting with something outside the main series. With the formalities out of the way, let’s get into this…

So the movie opens up with Rey finding Luke, and instantly something’s not right. So Luke leaves clues for the Resistance to find him when he’s needed most while he goes in search of the first Jedi Temple, but then when Rey get’s there he says “what you think I came here for that Temple? I came here to die.” Like what the f**k?

Next we learn that one fighter can take out all the gun turrets on a First Order flagship even though it’s been established that there are HUNDREDS of gun turrets of ships like these all along the ships to PREVENT something like this? Okay… Then we are expected to believe that the MOST POWERFUL force user we have ever seen can link two people’s minds across the whole galaxy, but can’t sense a light-saber moving directly to the left of him? He can throw people across the room without lifting a finger, but he can’t sense that Kylo is going to betray him with Rey? What really pisses me off about this is the WASTED potential with that character. We see this IMMENSE power this guy has and he’s killed in like 10 minutes of screen time. Like what the F**K! All this mystery surrounding this character, and for NOTHING.

Now we get to Luke, you mean to tell me that the guy who risked his life to redeem the second most evil man in the galaxy because he felt there was a glimmer of good left in him and refused to kill him because he was FAMILY, was going to kill his nephew because he had some dark side tendencies? FK you man. Luke had dark side tendencies in Return of the Jedi, and he was going to KILL the kid of his SISTER and his BEST FRIEND? Jesus H. Dicks, they royally FKED Luke’s character in this one. And why did he make himself a ghost thing at the end? If he was going to die, why wouldn’t he just show up in person? He could have lifted his X-Wing out of the water and there could have been a nice homage to Empire there. This whole movie was just wasted potential.

And what the hell was up with the whole Finn sub-plot? The whole movie takes us to this place that feels like it was lifted right out of the prequels with these goofy a** CGI abominations everywhere and a fat opera singer lady and st. It was so distracting. And why didn’t the one purple haired lady who takes command of the ship tell Poe about their plan to evacuate everyone off of the ship? If they did that then Poe wouldn’t have sent Finn and Rose to get captured and have their plan discovered. God what stty writing. If the fighters are able to get through the shields then why did they call off all the fighters? The fighters could have slowly but surely crippled the ship and destroyed it.

Do I even need to mention Leia Supermaning through space? Do I need to mention Finn sacrificing himself and being a hero just to have asian chick stop him last minute? Why didn’t the Gorilla-AT-ATs shoot the two of them?

I’m just scratching the surface here folks, I never would have guessed that something this sloppy could have made it into the mainline series. Disney really dropped the ball as far as I’m concerned.

JEDIT: I’m a fairly new membet and censoring my profanity lead to weird formatting issues in my post but I’m leaving it as is out of pride and because I’m not a revisionist. Sorry about that.
I also didn’t mention how inconsistent the tone is throughout the film. You have all this cringe inducing, low brow humor and cutesy crap while it tries to go for a darker tone, a lot like Revenge of the Sith actually. And all the plot points that were just abandoned in The Force Awakens. Like what happened to the Knights of Wren?
One thing I thought was kind of clever was that all the mystery surrounding Rey’s parents is just like “Yeah sorry, your parents were crack heads who sold you for drugs”. I felt like that was pretty good with subverting audience expectations, but I would have liked it if she, maybe GREW as a person a little bit. But whatever. Sorry folks, not a fan of The Last Jedi.

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If that X-Wing was still operable after sitting in salt water for who knows how long, I’d be amazed.

Lesbian relationship? Talk about seeing something that isn’t there! O_O

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