Hardcore Legend said:
Hardcore Legend said:
Unrelated, “kill Snoke to impress a girl” is incredibly off base.
If it wasn’t to sway Rey, he would have killed her as well.
I liked the movie and will watch it over and over again, just like all other Star Wars films. I just think the progression of the story in the last two films has been actually worse than the prequel trilogy.
I think you need to watch both these films and the prequels again, and see how off base you are.
Lol, ok. Snoke just essentially became Count Dooku.
The prequels has bad dialog, dated CGI and was bogged down in irrelevant republic bureaucracy but the core arch of the main character was clear: gifted slave child falls in love with a royal, only to have his love be forbidden by those who raise him. Because of the secret nature of his love, he falls victim to dangerous promises to protect the life of the woman he loves. He reaches the pinnacle of his craft, only to fall from grace due to his insecurities. In the end, his mistakes and arrogance are what lead to her death. He is forced to live out his life a damages, shell of a man both physically and emotionally.
What is the story arch of Rey’s character thus far? Due to the condensed nature of these two films, she hasn’t been given any space to grow. The easiest way to accelerate character growth is to have them overcome a struggle or defeat. She hasn’t been defeated in any way. I don’t see what her character has left to do in this trilogy other than to kill Ben and as best I can tell, she could walk up to him and do that at any time should she chose.
I don’t know why I even have to explain this,
Because the filmmakers have done such a poor job of it?
but Rey is a scavenger from Jakku, a nobody who hopes to someday be somebody when her parents return. She learns it is time to move on and help the Resistance and train to learn, yet she finds doing this is not so easy as she finds these new heightened feelings confused and only exacerbating her unresolved desire to reconnect with her parents and fulfill whatever her destiny is supposed to be. But, what she comes to terms with is that her parents were nobody, and that’s okay, because it means she can create her own destiny and find her own family, in the Resistance.
That doesn’t make an epic story. How does she learn any of that? Even at the lowest point of Luke not helping her, she is in complete control of her own destiny. When she arrives before Snoke in what clearly was a mistake, she goes through 30 seconds of anguish from Snoke’s Force whateverthatwas and getting hit in the back of the head with her own lightsaber hilt. She recovers completely to the point that she can wipe out Snoke’s entire protection service. After that, unless I missed something, she spends the rest of the movie back on the Falcon shooting Tie Fighters and lifting rocks.
As to what next, unlike the PT we don’t know where this is going (which is a good thing). Also, unlike the PT, her arc is believable, unlike the PT where first of all Anakin and Padme’s romance is a bit creepy because of their ages in TPM, and second of all is incredibly creepy and in no way believable because of Anakin’s portrayal in AOTC, and his eventual fall to the dark side is rushed and sloppily handled in ROTS.
The difference is in the direction and the dialogue. Both were awful in the PT. But when you look at the story Lucas tried to tell, it was a story of love, loss, arrogance and the fall of a hero. His main hero was going somewhere on his journey. He lost and failed. He lost the man who freed him, he lost his mother, he lost his arm, he lost his wife and children, he betrayed everyone who loved him. He embarrassed himself with his arrogance. He had character flaws that he either had to overcome or they would destroy him. What are Rey’s flaws and what danger do they present to her? What are her weaknesses that still threaten her in this epic story?
I’d also argue that Rey has no arc. Her character is relatively unchanged from the moment we meet her until now, other than she knows how to use her special powers (which she gains from 2 days of mild meditation). She has not needed the Resistance or friends since she left Jakku. If you remove them from the story, her story continues on exactly the same. She is captured by Ren, frees herself. She faces Ren, defeats him herself. She sets out to find Luke by herself. She turns herself in to Snoke, escapes his Destroyer without any aide from the Resistence. She is still the lonely junker. Unlike Luke, she didn’t offer to sacrifice herself to save her friends/the cause. Luke’s journey was to save a princess, save the rebellion, then save his friends, finally his father. What is her journey? To figure out who she is, when she already always knew she was nobody? They’ve given the character nowhere logical direction to go, except in some rushed direction with only one film left to do it.
Daisy is a great actress and Rey’s character is fun to watch, but there is nothing to it.
Finn’s character is actually the one that has grown the most. He has suffered defeat numerous times and come out a better person for it. He DOES offer to sacrifice himself for the cause after starting out as a selfish coward. His motives change from being all about protecting Rey to being about saving the lives of others.