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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 200

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dahmage said:

MusicallyInspired said:

DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

I am reminded of a frequent point they used to make on the Cracked Podcast about suspension of disbelief. In The Dark Knight Rises, there’s a chase scene where Batman goes into a tunnel in broad daylight and exits at night. This is absolutely a textbook hole in the movie, but when the movie came out almost everyone didn’t notice it until it was pointed out to them. The Cracked folks considered this a mark of effective movie-making rather than an egregious mistake, because audiences were swept up in the movie enough not to notice that flaw in the logic. That’s how I felt about all of these nitpicks about the in-universe rules of space travel in TLJ. I was engaged enough in the story that was in front of me that I was not giving any thought at all to whether or not it was 100% consistent with the last eight films (which, it’s worth noting, are not entirely consistent with each other either). I get that that’s not enough for everyone, but it’s enough for me.

Exactly. A perfect example is the T Rex cage in Jurassic park going from level with the road to a pit. But no one notices or cares, because it works. Well no one used to care, until this current CinemaSins-esque nitpick circle jerk “movie criticism” culture said that all “plot holes” are bad and lazy filmmaking. So apparently Steven fucking Spielberg is a lazy filmmaker.

Holy cow I never noticed that!! I just watched it with my kids last week too. Crazy what gets by you!

isn’t it a different side of the street or something? I know what you are talking about and it often bugged me, but i thought i reviewed it in detail once and it actually made sense… (now i need to pull out the DVD and check again)

http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Jurassic_Park_Film_Goofs

Often incorrectly regarded as a goof is the fact that when the Tyrannosaurus exits her paddock from ground level with the road, there’s the sudden appearance of a cliff when she pushes the car over it. In reality, there is in fact a cliff that acts as a natural barrier for the Tyrannosaurus, otherwise she would be able to exit her paddock through the gap between the fencing and the tunnel with ease. The diagram on the right illustrates what happens.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Creox said:

DominicCobb said:

Creox said:

Shopping Maul said:

Michael Ward said:

Creox said:

With regards to the DS being able to use a hyperdrive. I am stunned that people think it wouldn’t. Space is really, really big…I mean, really big. For the DS to not be able to fly at lightspeed would render it completely useless for striking fear into the galaxy.

Of course it realisticly needs a hyperdrive, but I’m not sure if that was the original intent. In the older Superman comics stuff was always just drifting from Krypton to earth with no propulsion at all more less a hyperdrive. Writers didn’t always think that stuff through, and Lucas probably didn’t either.

Indeed, the Falcon famously went from the Anoat system to Bespin sans hyperdrive, so clearly spacial distances are not a huge concern in the SW universe (I bet there’s a debate about that little trip somewhere in these forums!)…

I get that and agree but as to the basic question of whether it uses a hyperdrive or not…of course it does otherwise it would never get anywhere it’s needed. Hell, the galaxy would implode naturally by the time they could get to another target.

Yeah, I mean, when we consider how long it takes to get in sight of the fourth moon…

Yeah, I …uhh…what? 😃

We don’t see the Death Star arrive at Yavin, but but we do see that it takes it 30 minutes to get in sight of the Rebel base on the fourth moon. Considering it took the Falcon less than 30 seconds to do the same, I think it’s a fair assumption that it’d take the Death Star a looooooong time to get to Yavin without a hyperdrive.

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chyron8472 said:

dahmage said:

MusicallyInspired said:

DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

I am reminded of a frequent point they used to make on the Cracked Podcast about suspension of disbelief. In The Dark Knight Rises, there’s a chase scene where Batman goes into a tunnel in broad daylight and exits at night. This is absolutely a textbook hole in the movie, but when the movie came out almost everyone didn’t notice it until it was pointed out to them. The Cracked folks considered this a mark of effective movie-making rather than an egregious mistake, because audiences were swept up in the movie enough not to notice that flaw in the logic. That’s how I felt about all of these nitpicks about the in-universe rules of space travel in TLJ. I was engaged enough in the story that was in front of me that I was not giving any thought at all to whether or not it was 100% consistent with the last eight films (which, it’s worth noting, are not entirely consistent with each other either). I get that that’s not enough for everyone, but it’s enough for me.

Exactly. A perfect example is the T Rex cage in Jurassic park going from level with the road to a pit. But no one notices or cares, because it works. Well no one used to care, until this current CinemaSins-esque nitpick circle jerk “movie criticism” culture said that all “plot holes” are bad and lazy filmmaking. So apparently Steven fucking Spielberg is a lazy filmmaker.

Holy cow I never noticed that!! I just watched it with my kids last week too. Crazy what gets by you!

isn’t it a different side of the street or something? I know what you are talking about and it often bugged me, but i thought i reviewed it in detail once and it actually made sense… (now i need to pull out the DVD and check again)

http://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Jurassic_Park_Film_Goofs

Often incorrectly regarded as a goof is the fact that when the Tyrannosaurus exits her paddock from ground level with the road, there’s the sudden appearance of a cliff when she pushes the car over it. In reality, there is in fact a cliff that acts as a natural barrier for the Tyrannosaurus, otherwise she would be able to exit her paddock through the gap between the fencing and the tunnel with ease. The diagram on the right illustrates what happens.

That’s the thing about “goofs” like this, if it really bothers you, you can easily come up with explanations.

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You guys made me go to Wookieepedia.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star

With the exception of the crust, the station’s entire interior space was uninhabited, and housed the hypermatter reactor, hyperdrive, sublight engines, and the station’s superweapon.

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yhwx said:

You guys made me go to Wookieepedia.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star

With the exception of the crust, the station’s entire interior space was uninhabited, and housed the hypermatter reactor, hyperdrive, sublight engines, and the station’s superweapon.

I can vouch for this I was actually one of the engineers that worked on the Death Star.

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dahmage said:

yhwx said:

You guys made me go to Wookieepedia.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star

With the exception of the crust, the station’s entire interior space was uninhabited, and housed the hypermatter reactor, hyperdrive, sublight engines, and the station’s superweapon.

I can vouch for this I was actually one of the engineers that worked on the Death Star.

Wow, a survivor!

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

yhwx said:

You guys made me go to Wookieepedia.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star

With the exception of the crust, the station’s entire interior space was uninhabited, and housed the hypermatter reactor, hyperdrive, sublight engines, and the station’s superweapon.

I can vouch for this I was actually one of the engineers that worked on the Death Star.

Wow, a survivor!

See, it pays to always be late to work. I wasn’t in the office that day.

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So SWGOH pulled a Rian and added both Rose and Holdo to the game last week.

Everyone is taking it well.

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I can refute this I was actually one of the pâtissiers that worked on the Death Star.

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I’m not afraid to admit I learned a new word today.

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TV’s Frink said:

So SWGOH pulled a Rian and added both Rose and Holdo to the game last week.

Everyone is taking it well.

Sounds like they need to moderate what names people can use.

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Where were you in '77?

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Another thing is that even though both TLJ and TESB are the low points, try to compare the endings. TESB’s ending still seems more hopeful, even if only visually due to the room of the final scene being white and Luke and Leia wearing white, while looking at a beautiful space-y thing and awaiting for another adventure to save his friends.

One may argue that TLJ’s ending is even more hopeful due to the whole message that Luke was trying to pass on, and then broom boy showing the rebellion spreading, yadda yadda yadda, but in the end, for the characters it seems much more hopeless than TESB’s. Compare Luke’s last line spoken in TESB to Rey’s in TLJ.

“I’ll meet you at the rendezvous point in Tatooine. Chewie, I’ll be waiting for your signal. […]”
“How do we build a rebellion from this?”

Pay attention to their faces, to everything. Rey’s basically hopeless, holding a destroyed lightsaber in her hands, not knowing what to do. While Luke is hopeful, determined determined to rescue his friend, it’s under his control. And he’s fixing his hand, putting that behind him.

Obviously they’re different movies with different characters in different circumstances, but it’s just to show that you don’t have to apparently destroy all of the character’s “hopefulness” and will in order to put them in their low point.

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SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

So SWGOH pulled a Rian and added both Rose and Holdo to the game last week.

Everyone is taking it well.

Sounds like they need to moderate what names people can use.

They do but I think it’s automated so something like that will slip through.

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Collipso said:

Obviously they’re different movies with different characters in different circumstances, but it’s just to show that you don’t have to apparently destroy all of the character’s “hopefulness” and will in order to put them in their low point.

Rian Johnson did not take this advice regarding Luke.

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Shopping Maul said:

Michael Ward said:

Creox said:

With regards to the DS being able to use a hyperdrive. I am stunned that people think it wouldn’t. Space is really, really big…I mean, really big. For the DS to not be able to fly at lightspeed would render it completely useless for striking fear into the galaxy.

Of course it realisticly needs a hyperdrive, but I’m not sure if that was the original intent. In the older Superman comics stuff was always just drifting from Krypton to earth with no propulsion at all more less a hyperdrive. Writers didn’t always think that stuff through, and Lucas probably didn’t either.

Indeed, the Falcon famously went from the Anoat system to Bespin sans hyperdrive, so clearly spacial distances are not a huge concern in the SW universe (I bet there’s a debate about that little trip somewhere in these forums!)…

Probably, I started to bring that up, but was afraid of what argument it might start.

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Collipso said:

Another thing is that even though both TLJ and TESB are the low points, try to compare the endings. TESB’s ending still seems more hopeful, even if only visually due to the room of the final scene being white and Luke and Leia wearing white, while looking at a beautiful space-y thing and awaiting for another adventure to save his friends.

One may argue that TLJ’s ending is even more hopeful due to the whole message that Luke was trying to pass on, and then broom boy showing the rebellion spreading, yadda yadda yadda, but in the end, for the characters it seems much more hopeless than TESB’s. Compare Luke’s last line spoken in TESB to Rey’s in TLJ.

“I’ll meet you at the rendezvous point in Tatooine. Chewie, I’ll be waiting for your signal. […]”
“How do we build a rebellion from this?”

Pay attention to their faces, to everything. Rey’s basically hopeless, holding a destroyed lightsaber in her hands, not knowing what to do. While Luke is hopeful, determined determined to rescue his friend, it’s under his control. And he’s fixing his hand, putting that behind him.

Obviously they’re different movies with different characters in different circumstances, but it’s just to show that you don’t have to apparently destroy all of the character’s “hopefulness” and will in order to put them in their low point.

Except Leia responds, which changes Rey’s expression. The movie doesn’t just end after Rey’s line.

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DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

Another thing is that even though both TLJ and TESB are the low points, try to compare the endings. TESB’s ending still seems more hopeful, even if only visually due to the room of the final scene being white and Luke and Leia wearing white, while looking at a beautiful space-y thing and awaiting for another adventure to save his friends.

One may argue that TLJ’s ending is even more hopeful due to the whole message that Luke was trying to pass on, and then broom boy showing the rebellion spreading, yadda yadda yadda, but in the end, for the characters it seems much more hopeless than TESB’s. Compare Luke’s last line spoken in TESB to Rey’s in TLJ.

“I’ll meet you at the rendezvous point in Tatooine. Chewie, I’ll be waiting for your signal. […]”
“How do we build a rebellion from this?”

Pay attention to their faces, to everything. Rey’s basically hopeless, holding a destroyed lightsaber in her hands, not knowing what to do. While Luke is hopeful, determined determined to rescue his friend, it’s under his control. And he’s fixing his hand, putting that behind him.

Obviously they’re different movies with different characters in different circumstances, but it’s just to show that you don’t have to apparently destroy all of the character’s “hopefulness” and will in order to put them in their low point.

Except Leia responds, which changes Rey’s expression. The movie doesn’t just end after Rey’s line.

Yes, but I didn’t get the feeling that Leia was very sure of herself and of the Resistance at that point. I got the idea of a mom that knows that they’re screwed but is trying to comfort a hopeless child. (And herself)

So it didn’t really convince me. But it’s not a problem I have with the movie, just an observation.

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Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

Another thing is that even though both TLJ and TESB are the low points, try to compare the endings. TESB’s ending still seems more hopeful, even if only visually due to the room of the final scene being white and Luke and Leia wearing white, while looking at a beautiful space-y thing and awaiting for another adventure to save his friends.

One may argue that TLJ’s ending is even more hopeful due to the whole message that Luke was trying to pass on, and then broom boy showing the rebellion spreading, yadda yadda yadda, but in the end, for the characters it seems much more hopeless than TESB’s. Compare Luke’s last line spoken in TESB to Rey’s in TLJ.

“I’ll meet you at the rendezvous point in Tatooine. Chewie, I’ll be waiting for your signal. […]”
“How do we build a rebellion from this?”

Pay attention to their faces, to everything. Rey’s basically hopeless, holding a destroyed lightsaber in her hands, not knowing what to do. While Luke is hopeful, determined determined to rescue his friend, it’s under his control. And he’s fixing his hand, putting that behind him.

Obviously they’re different movies with different characters in different circumstances, but it’s just to show that you don’t have to apparently destroy all of the character’s “hopefulness” and will in order to put them in their low point.

Except Leia responds, which changes Rey’s expression. The movie doesn’t just end after Rey’s line.

Yes, but I didn’t get the feeling that Leia was very sure of herself and of the Resistance at that point. I got the idea of a mom that knows that they’re screwed but is trying to comfort a hopeless child. (And herself)

So it didn’t really convince me. But it’s not a problem I have with the movie, just an observation.

Well that’s not at all what the movie is trying to convey but if you choose to interpret it that way, so be it.

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I’d like to thank all of you on not jumping me when I said I haven’t seen this movie and don’t care to. I did that elsewhere earlier today and was immediately labeled “not a real fan”.
And that was the nicest thing I was called.
And, just like here, I made sure to announce that I’m not anti-anything or anyone or boycotting or whatever nonsense. Didn’t matter. I’m a “hater” and a “miserable person” apparently.

Ray’s Lounge
Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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DominicCobb said:

Creox said:

DominicCobb said:

Creox said:

Shopping Maul said:

Michael Ward said:

Creox said:

With regards to the DS being able to use a hyperdrive. I am stunned that people think it wouldn’t. Space is really, really big…I mean, really big. For the DS to not be able to fly at lightspeed would render it completely useless for striking fear into the galaxy.

Of course it realisticly needs a hyperdrive, but I’m not sure if that was the original intent. In the older Superman comics stuff was always just drifting from Krypton to earth with no propulsion at all more less a hyperdrive. Writers didn’t always think that stuff through, and Lucas probably didn’t either.

Indeed, the Falcon famously went from the Anoat system to Bespin sans hyperdrive, so clearly spacial distances are not a huge concern in the SW universe (I bet there’s a debate about that little trip somewhere in these forums!)…

I get that and agree but as to the basic question of whether it uses a hyperdrive or not…of course it does otherwise it would never get anywhere it’s needed. Hell, the galaxy would implode naturally by the time they could get to another target.

Yeah, I mean, when we consider how long it takes to get in sight of the fourth moon…

Yeah, I …uhh…what? 😃

We don’t see the Death Star arrive at Yavin, but but we do see that it takes it 30 minutes to get in sight of the Rebel base on the fourth moon. Considering it took the Falcon less than 30 seconds to do the same, I think it’s a fair assumption that it’d take the Death Star a looooooong time to get to Yavin without a hyperdrive.

Gotcha…My SW knowledge memory ain’t the best.

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ray_afraid said:

I’d like to thank all of you on not jumping me when I said I haven’t seen this movie and don’t care to. I did that elsewhere earlier today and was immediately labeled “not a real fan”.
And that was the nicest thing I was called.
And, just like here, I made sure to announce that I’m not anti-anything or anyone or boycotting or whatever nonsense. Didn’t matter. I’m a “hater” and a “miserable person” apparently.

You don’t have to like TLJ to be a SW fan. Just passionate . 😉