Nitpick, complain, whine, whinge… throw toys out of the pram! However you want to word it, there’s an awful lot of it going on.
It comes down to people complaining that there is a bad thing in the Sequel Trilogy, and you hold up the mirror and say well look, that same bad thing happened in the Original Trilogy.
Nitpick would be like “why are the bombs dropping if there’s no gravity”. The complaint about Luke’s characterization is not a nitpick at all.
The last Jedi has left a few unanswered questions. Kylo Ren seemed to perfectly recall himself waking up and Luke holding a GREEN lightsaber up at him (his lightsaber from RotJ). So when Luke and Ren were about to face off in TLJ he should’ve noticed the hilt was Luke’s original blue blade, The same one that him and Rey split in half. Now for those who say “well maybe he generally didn’t look at the hilt”, I perfectly recall him noticing it in the force awakens. It was the first thing he said when Finn pulled it out hence probably one of the first thing he looks at.
Another thing I sort of picked up on is, Maz has been alive to see the PT-OT-ST so I expect she would no who and how many people know how to break onto The Supremacy. So where did this guy in prison come from?
Ah 77, my favourite year even if i wasn’t alive
The last Jedi has left a few unanswered questions. Kylo Ren seemed to perfectly recall himself waking up and Luke holding a GREEN lightsaber up at him (his lightsaber from RotJ). So when Luke and Ren were about to face off in TLJ he should’ve noticed the hilt was Luke’s original blue blade, The same one that him and Rey split in half. Now for those who say “well maybe he generally didn’t look at the hilt”, I perfectly recall him noticing it in the force awakens. It was the first thing he said when Finn pulled it out hence probably one of the first thing he looks at.
Another thing I sort of picked up on is, Maz has been alive to see the PT-OT-ST so I expect she would no who and how many people know how to break onto The Supremacy. So where did this guy in prison come from?
Now these are nitpicks. A person’s focus shifts. When their thoughts are intently focused on one thing, they may miss another or care more about the main thought in their head (such as OMG, Luke is here). Maz may be old, but that doesn’t mean omniscient. She presumably named the person she thought capable and trustworthy and locatable, among any other unknown characteristics. It’s not like there can’t be anybody else in the galaxy who is competent at hacking.
The blue elephant in the room.
The last Jedi has left a few unanswered questions. Kylo Ren seemed to perfectly recall himself waking up and Luke holding a GREEN lightsaber up at him (his lightsaber from RotJ). So when Luke and Ren were about to face off in TLJ he should’ve noticed the hilt was Luke’s original blue blade, The same one that him and Rey split in half. Now for those who say “well maybe he generally didn’t look at the hilt”, I perfectly recall him noticing it in the force awakens. It was the first thing he said when Finn pulled it out hence probably one of the first thing he looks at.
Another thing I sort of picked up on is, Maz has been alive to see the PT-OT-ST so I expect she would no who and how many people know how to break onto The Supremacy. So where did this guy in prison come from?Now these are nitpicks. A person’s focus shifts. When their thoughts are intently focused on one thing, they may miss another or care more about the main thought in their head (such as OMG, Luke is here). Maz may be old, but that doesn’t mean omniscient. She presumably named the person she thought capable and trustworthy and locatable, among any other unknown characteristics. It’s not like there can’t be anybody else in the galaxy who is competent at hacking.
It may be a nitpick but that does not mean its entirely wrong. I recall Maz saying their is one other person and if you want to get onto Snokes ship he’s the one. Now she may not know of the other one where you are completely correct. This all goes without saying the man in prison (DJ) is also a master codebreaker.
Ah 77, my favourite year even if i wasn’t alive
I think disliking TLJ and not thinking its direction was worth taking is totally valid. Those against it and its Luke are only judging it in the context of their own personal perceptions of what the franchise has been to them and should continue being. There’s probably something to be said - positive or negative - about how Johnson opted to double down on a specific interpretation of the world, rather than keep it broad enough for everyone to appreciate.
No, that’s not quite right. We are judging it in context of what has come before. Meaning, what has already been developed over an entire trilogy concerning the character of Luke. Luke was “the new hope”. The whole point of the original trilogy was that good can overcome evil, primarily by taking the high ground, being patient, facing ones fears, sacrificing self, and ultimately by redemption. Against all advice and conventional wisdom, Luke persisted in his mission to save his father, and therefore destroy the Sith. He proved that he was right, and he succeeded, sacrificing himself in the process. (He didn’t actually end up dying, but he was willing to do that and nearly did). Same thing for running across the galaxy to save his friends.
But suddenly, with no real transition, here’s Luke abandoning his friends (and his own family!) when they’re struggling in a fighting retreat against the new bad guys, and on top of it he even tries to kill his own nephew, in his sleep, because he sensed darkness within him. Darkness…? Within a young Skywalker…? Say it ain’t so!
…um…Luke, have you completely forgotten everything you’ve done, seen, and learned…? Did Palpatine’s lighting assault actually fry your brain?
In no way does this make any sense at all, and goes against everything Lucas and company worked hard to develop in the entire OT. So yes, with respect, we’re stuck in our established perceptions of who Luke is and should be. Maybe, as I said, if there was some transition that shows us why Luke would veer so far off course (it won’t be sudden because radical changes like that are a process), then maybe it could be accepted. But as it is, it makes no sense at all. Even the Prequel Trilogy took three films to show a slow corruption of Anakin, and his ultimate fall.
This times 12 parsecs!
“Less than 12.”
— my brain, every time I hear Old Han say “twelve!” in TFA.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Nitpick, complain, whine, whinge… throw toys out of the pram! However you want to word it, there’s an awful lot of it going on.
It comes down to people complaining that there is a bad thing in the Sequel Trilogy, and you hold up the mirror and say well look, that same bad thing happened in the Original Trilogy.
Nitpick would be like “why are the bombs dropping if there’s no gravity”.
But there is gravity. They are near a planet. Objects in orbit of planets still experience gravity. That’s why they orbit. Also, saying “no gravity” assumes there is no artificial gravity on the lower part of the ship that gives way to inertia once the bombs leave it; or that the bombs aren’t being ejected by some mechanism.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Nitpick, complain, whine, whinge… throw toys out of the pram! However you want to word it, there’s an awful lot of it going on.
It comes down to people complaining that there is a bad thing in the Sequel Trilogy, and you hold up the mirror and say well look, that same bad thing happened in the Original Trilogy.
Nitpick would be like “why are the bombs dropping if there’s no gravity”.
But there is gravity. They are near a planet. Objects in orbit of planets still experience gravity. That’s why they orbit. Also, saying “no gravity” assumes there is no artificial gravity on the lower part of the ship that gives way to inertia once the bombs leave it; or that the bombs aren’t being ejected by some mechanism.
I was just giving an example of a nitpick. It’s not a complaint I have against the movie.
caught a matinee showing on my day off today. 2D Imax. 4th time. Excellent movie.
I really can’t understand 90% of the criticisms in this thread. there are like 10% of them that i can understand, but the rest?
not much else though.
Fantastic review by Adam Does Movies:
Assimilate THIS!
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Why though? Chewie once hijacked a walker. Droids can’t?
Chewie drove an intact (practical) walker. BB-8 drove a (CGI) walker with only legs. Even if that should be possible (which I doubt), it looked bad. And then Rose and Finn hoped on, which also looked bad. Like something out of the PT.
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Why though? Chewie once hijacked a walker. Droids can’t?
Well, Chewie is an experienced pilot that uses his arms everyday. BB-8 is a droid that seemingly relies on a his data port or whatever to jack in to transportation vessels to operate them. It is a stretch.
I could see how someone thinks it is ridiculous looking.
Chewie drove an intact (practical) walker. BB-8 drove a (CGI) walker with only legs. Even if that should be possible (which I doubt), it looked bad. And then Rose and Finn hoped on, which also looked bad. Like something out of the PT.
Okay, if you’re talking execution I get it. I didn’t mind the shot where it reveals it’s BB-8, but it does look goofy when the whole crew hops on.
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Why though? Chewie once hijacked a walker. Droids can’t?
Well, Chewie is an experienced pilot that uses his arms everyday. BB-8 is a droid that seemingly relies on a his data port or whatever to jack in to transportation vessels to operate them. It is a stretch.
Isn’t that what he does though? Or are you saying that’s hard to believe (but that’s what droids do)?
caught a matinee showing on my day off today. 2D Imax. 4th time. Excellent movie.
I really can’t understand 90% of the criticisms in this thread. there are like 10% of them that i can understand, but the rest?
- I can understand not liking parts of the Canto Bight sequence
- I can understand wanting to know a bit more about snoke (curiosity and all that)
- I can understand being annoyed by Phasma, and bits of Finn as well
not much else though.
C’mon everyone, once more…with feeling.
[126 pages later] “I don’t understand…”
I generally liked the Canto Bight sequence even though it felt like a pointless tangent. Some here have expressed a similar complaint about the Jabba sequence in ROTJ. Though I don’t share others’ disdain for Ewoks or the Jabba sequence, I accept that they are viewing it the way they say they are. Though I disagree, I can see the rationale for wanting Han dead in ESB, or wanting Wookies instead of Ewoks, or skipping Jabba’s palace. I think making Leia Luke’s sister was a less than inspired choice, but I think it worked. For some people, a slew of factors push them into the camp of not liking ROTJ very much. I think that’s crazy, of course, but I understand their reasons on particular points
I posted a quote a couple pages back from a youtuber that people are more willing to accept elements of a movie they disagree with if they feel an emotional connection to what’s happening. And I think that is a part of what’s missing for many people. Some people will really just hate certain choices or themes no matter what. Like the cave on Dagobah, we will have an experience based on what we take in with us.
The blue elephant in the room.
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Why though? Chewie once hijacked a walker. Droids can’t?
Well, Chewie is an experienced pilot that uses his arms everyday. BB-8 is a droid that seemingly relies on a his data port or whatever to jack in to transportation vessels to operate them. It is a stretch.
Isn’t that what he does though? Or are you saying that’s hard to believe (but that’s what droids do)?
If I recall, he uses his little arm thingys to pull on the various levers to make the walker move.
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Okay yes I should add that.
Dom, do you not think you’re going out of your way to defend a stupid sequence?
To me, BB-8 in this movie was some droid factory material from AotC, especially that walker sequence and the weaponized coins.
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Please do pass on that one. I couldn’t finish it.
The blue elephant in the room.
The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.
With that said, I think I would have been fine with the walker scene if they never tore off the head, and just had a quick shot of him manipulating it via data port.
Oh hey a video review. Hard pass.
dahmaged if you can understand Phasma and bits 'o Finn complaints, I think you have to add BB-8 in there as well. Specifically, the walker sequence.
Why though? Chewie once hijacked a walker. Droids can’t?
Well, Chewie is an experienced pilot that uses his arms everyday. BB-8 is a droid that seemingly relies on a his data port or whatever to jack in to transportation vessels to operate them. It is a stretch.
Isn’t that what he does though? Or are you saying that’s hard to believe (but that’s what droids do)?
If I recall, he uses his little arm thingys to pull on the various levers to make the walker move.
If so, that is a little silly, but I don’t think the idea of a droid piloting a walker is a bad one (and it was a nice “yay!” moment in the theater).
Dom, do you not think you’re going out of your way to defend a stupid sequence?
No, I simply don’t think it was all that stupid. My honest reaction in the theater was “this is fun.”
To me, BB-8 in this movie was some droid factory material from AotC, especially that walker sequence and the weaponized coins.
I thought the coins was a nice bit. But honestly my only problem with the droid factory is A) R2 having jets which feels inconsistent with the OT, and B) C-3PO swapping heads with a battle droid which makes no sense and only serves to provide comic relief (which isn’t in any way funny).
With that said, I think I would have been fine with the walker scene if they never tore off the head, and just had a quick shot of him manipulating it via data port.
adywan please build a BB-8 and film this ASAP thanks.
The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.
With that said, I think I would have been fine with the walker scene if they never tore off the head, and just had a quick shot of him manipulating it via data port.
You’re wrong, Frink, because I liked the alien putting the coins in BB-8. I did though.
The blue elephant in the room.
The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.
With that said, I think I would have been fine with the walker scene if they never tore off the head, and just had a quick shot of him manipulating it via data port.
You’re wrong, Frink, because I liked the alien putting the coins in BB-8. I did though.
Is there anything about TLJ we agree on?!?!