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The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released) — Page 44

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TestingOutTheTest said:

Hal I know you intend for this to be the final version of your TLJ, but… TRoS shows that Luke’s X-Wing is intact, which contradicts how in TLJ that was shown to have one of its wings missing. Do you plan on going back to that shot and adding in a wing onto Luke’s X-Wing for consistency with TRoS?

We could always just assume that while Rey was off grabbing the wayfinder Luke took his door (which is the wing), chucked it down there, and reconnected it with the Force before lifting it up lol.

Honestly I feel it isn’t that big of a deal, though.

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I don’t feel like it’s a substantial issue. If I’m thinking like that I’d have an issue with the idea that his X-wing even works at all being dumped underwater like that for years.

Honestly, I don’t think anything we’d do to TLJ or TROS would really reconcile things anyway. Door panel aside, the plot of TLJ itself implies that Luke could not have flown his fighter, otherwise he would have to Crait. (Logistics or travel time be damned; Star Wars has always moved at the speed of plot.) This story necessity, moreso than the door, poses the incongruity.

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Well I always undererstood it the exact opposite way: that the reason Rian showed the ship in the water shot is so that you wouldn’t suspect something was up with Luke in the climax.

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Hal 9000 said:

I don’t feel like it’s a substantial issue. If I’m thinking like that I’d have an issue with the idea that his X-wing even works at all being dumped underwater like that for years.

Honestly, I don’t think anything we’d do to TLJ or TROS would really reconcile things anyway. Door panel aside, the plot of TLJ itself implies that Luke could not have flown his fighter, otherwise he would have to Crait. (Logistics or travel time be damned; Star Wars has always moved at the speed of plot.) This story necessity, moreso than the door, poses the incongruity.

I mean, this is a universe with plasma blades and a magic system that only shows up in people with a high amount of fictional organisms in each of their respective cells.

Also, the First Order would’ve shot Luke down if he actually showed up on Crait.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Well I always undererstood it the exact opposite way: that the reason Rian showed the ship in the water shot is so that you wouldn’t suspect something was up with Luke in the climax.

I mean, his appearance matches when he was the legend, he’s holding the Skywalker saber, and he leaves no footprints at all.

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Can the X wing shot be removed completely?

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I’d imagine it would be pretty easy to do yourself. Seems like quite the small change to warrant an entirely new release.

Also it would make the scene in TROS come out of literally nowhere.

Or are you being sarcastic? Hard to tell.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’d imagine it would be pretty easy to do yourself. Seems like quite the small change to warrant an entirely new release.

Also it would make the scene in TROS come out of literally nowhere.

Or are you being sarcastic? Hard to tell.

Well, I mean the idea of we see a broken x wing in the water to seeing it come out of the water without a problem.

I got no skill in vfx, but if the x-wing can be shown as intact in the water, then that would really fix any plot holes. Thats all I meant in regards to that.

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In poppasketti’s edit, he made the silloute in Rey’s reflection look like Palpatine. Do you think it could also work as Rey’s Dark Side version we see in The Rise of Skywalker based on the hooded silloute?

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That’s what I really like about that change Poppa made since imo it can easily be interpreted as both dark Rey and Palpatine.

And while some would call it a stretch, all of those “clones” of Rey is also a subtle hint of Palpy’s power to cheat death that way.

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I interpreted it as the movie using visual storytelling so it’d be sensible to the audience that this is a Force cave.

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I think we should keep Rise of Skywalker’s bad decisions native to Rise of Skywalker, personally.

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Hi Hal, onto my next review.

For a long time, TLJ was one of my favourite films of the saga. I just loved its themes, its characters and discussions. Over the years I’ve looked at it more critically, and can no longer ignore its many problems, but I still feel that its themes and ideas are compelling. Thus, I quite enjoyed the conservativeness of this edit.

In terms of the larger changes, I felt the removal of the Fathier sequence was a very welcome cut, and makes the film feel far more efficient, both in its plot and in how it handles its themes. The other structural changes were similarly effective; moving the Luke/Yoda convo to just before Crait, after everything has gone wrong, makes it much more powerful. It always felt a bit too out of place in the original. I will say I found the musical transition from Kylo choking Hux back to the island a tad abrupt, though maybe future watches will help. I also felt that the cut from Luke staring after the Falcon and stepping offscreen to Finn and gang in hyperspace is a prime candidate for a right-to-left screen wipe, just from the direction of movement of both elements, though perhaps the shot of Luke is too brief to make it work.

The way you handled the humour was also very effective; I loved how you re-cut the opening joke with Hux and Poe (I always felt Hux’s delayed “Hello?” was the best part of the joke, brilliantly delivered by Domhnall Gleeson, and combined with his little speech playing on the tinny radio, ending the gag there makes it way funnier). I also appreciated that you didn’t remove the Force-leaf gag, as I never found that one cringey (I actually find it kind of endearing, and a meta-commentary on how counter-intuitive the mystical ‘Reach out with your feelings’ really is). The removal of the Caretakers was also welcome; they aren’t missed from the film at all. Though I do usually chuckle at the gag of the training rock obliterating their little wagon, just because it’s so well visually executed, they definitely detracted from the tone of the film and the scenes they appear in.

Another change I loved was the couple of deleted scenes you added to the first act (Luke in the hut and Finn getting his jacket back). They set off both characters’ developmental arcs on such a better note than before; we see that despite Luke’s grumpiness, his decision weighs heavily on him, and the brief talk with Finn and Poe establishes his hesitance to join the Resistance wholesale on a far more compelling note, making him seem less traitorous. The scene immediately felt to me a lot more like the Finn from TFA, which greatly helps his arc through the rest of the film. The quick deleted scenes later were also effective; the brief scene of the three in the lift was much more effective than the iron spaceship gag, and though I found the exchange in the shuttle a little clunky (hence its excision, I suppose), it was a good character beat, and solid development for Finn. I was admittedly hesitant at first for Phasma to have such an offhanded death after her dramatic return, but this is a much more effective moment, both for pacing and for Finn’s character.

Overall, I very much enjoyed TLJ: Legendary. It gives the film some much-needed fine-tuning, letting the underlying story shine stronger through the many cracks of the film’s clunky writing. I will admit that I think I enjoyed poppasketti’s TLJ: Rekindled a bit more, just because it goes a little further and has some extra teases of Palpatine, but I think I prefer a more conservative approach to this film than a hugely drastic one. Another great edit!

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Here’s an idea for a potential tweak.

It seems like the official canon has retconned a line from TLJ that implied something they wanted to nix. This proposed alteration brings TLJ in line with the canon story about what happened, and removes the red herring. It is the scene in which Luke first tells Rey about the night of the Jedi Temple massacre.

Original line: “When I came to, the temple was burning. He’d vanished with a handful of my students… and slaughtered the rest.”

New line: “When I came to, the temple was burning. He’d vanished… and slaughtered my students.”

Here’s the clip, though in audio only. I didn’t want to re-rip the video stream just to test out this idea:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dCi0h1vzptA1Gaaq1J0PkMvPoZPDhPDR/view?usp=sharing

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Also, it would be easy to trim out Rey and Poe’s little meetcute at the end of the movie. They do appear like four feet away from each other at the end of TFA. I can’t remember if this was ever considered.

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Actually I’m pretty sure in that canon comic there are a bunch of his students that go after Kylo to get justice. People just originally interpreted that line as Luke suggesting that those students turned against him as well, which isn’t the case obviously.

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Yeah but this new line from Luke gives a more canon-accurate impression to the audience than the original. A few of Luke’s students pursue Ben and are also killed by him.

The original line seems to establish that the missing students were aligned with Ben and followed him, potentially forming the Knights of Ren or something.

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This is a good idea. I like Charles Soule but I think he dropped the ball on fleshing out Ben’s fall. Just looking at the movie, the line definitely implies what Hal says. I think this definitely simplifies it, since the Knights of Ren apparently aren’t some of Luke’s other students.

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Let alone a “handful” of “a dozen.”

Does the editing sound good enough? I have to cut Luke off quickly after “vanished,” which originally lead right into “with….”

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On speakers I couldn’t even notice. I’ll try to listen with headphones later.

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Well it’s not like TRoS bothered to contradict that. Didn’t build up on it either, but it’s easy to headcannon that as the backstory for the KoR if somebody wants to. Better than nothing, I guess (which is what we got in TRoS).

Personally I haven’t checked the ancillary material, but I like the idea this line conveyed - that it wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows with Luke’s would-be Jedi students besides Ben, to the point that some would take Ben’s side in the ensuing mess and confusion. Whether they became the KoR or not, it makes sense that Ben might have convinced some students of his side of the story, or maybe there was already some division before that fateful night and that was just the turning point. Either way I think it’s great and gives it a lot of nuance in very few words, the alternative of “Everything was perfect 'til Ben single-handedly destroyed it” is a lot less interesting.