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I just watched this edit a few hours ago, and I mostly agree with the people who have already given their thoughts, but I’m going to try an in-depth review of this edit, explaining my thoughts on specific changes.
The opening scene:
I don’t like how Ivan edited the prank call into a Hux monologue: it feels unnecessary. I’m glad that the dumb “wipe that nervous expression” joke is gone, but I liked the BB-8 plug joke that Ivan also removed. The added footage in the bomber scene is interesting, but unnecessary. The voiceover saying “activating magnetic bombardment” to explain how the bombs fall is also unnecessary. Same thing with the added footage of Kylo on a star destroyer.
Luke on the island:
Changing Luke’s character to be more of a wise old Jedi is an interesting idea in theory, but it was executed poorly. The new Luke lines sound nothing like Mark Hamill, and they’re way too quiet. Luke’s character also drastically changes between scenes. In some scenes he’s a wise old Jedi who encourages Rey’s training, but in other scenes he’s a cynical hermit who wants the Jedi to end. The training montage is also an interesting idea, but there isn’t enough existing footage to make it work.
Finn and Rose:
I’m surprised this subplot is still in the movie. There are many edits that cut it completely, and it works great. I like the trims Ivan made to this subplot, but they aren’t enough to save it. The Finn and Rose scenes are also way too far apart: There are many parts that are just Luke and Rey scenes edited together, and just when I get interested in Luke and Rey’s story, the movie cuts back to Finn and Rose. Having a TIE fighter shoot Finn down just asks more questions than it answers. Didn’t Rey and Chewie shoot all the fighters down? What happened to Rose? Who was that woman Finn dragged back to the base?
Admiral Ackbar:
The new Ackbar scenes weren’t executed well at all: the rotoscoping is painfully obvious, and the new Ackbar lines sound awful. Ackbar introducing Holdo adds nothing except for a line about Imperial spies which is never mentioned again. Ackbar replacing Holdo in the suicide run is just pointless fanservice, and it hurts Holdo’s character arc if she just happened to be on one of the transports that got blown up instead of going out in a blaze of glory.
In a nutshell:
A very disappointing final product for an edit that took a whole year to make. The audio editing sounds awful, and the deleted scenes have a low framerate for some reason. I will never watch this edit again unless Ivan finishes the lightsaber duel, but given his track record he probably won’t.

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I really wanted to like this.
I didn’t.
I didn’t even manage to finish it.
I liked the dreamy short sequence before Finn wakes up, but the Battlefront footage looks awful and completely useless, and the voiceover sounds terrible. Almost all the music additions have problems, and I found Luke’s new phrases extremely boring and predictable.
I’m really sorry for this, but I was expecting something way better.

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  1. Chronological Revenge of the Sith: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/CHRONOLOGICAL-REVENGE-OF-THE-SITH-RELEASED/id/60388
  2. CHOSEN ONE - A Star Wars Story: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/THE-CHOSEN-ONE-A-STAR-WARS-STORY-RELEASED/id/60721
  3. SHADOW OF THE PAST (A Phantom menace edit): https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SHADOW-OF-THE-PAST-A-Phantom-Menace-edit/id/65473
  4. KEEPERS OF THE PEACE (Attack of the Clones edit): https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/KEEPERS-OF-THE-PEACE-Attack-of-the-Clones-edit/id/66617/page/1#1274835

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the crazy train is rolling full steam ahead… I’ve never seen so many people praise a fanedit so highly. A really sloppy fanedit no less…

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ForceGhostRecon said:

the crazy train is rolling full steam ahead… I’ve never seen so many people praise a fanedit so highly. A really sloppy fanedit no less…

‘Professional Film Editors’ seemingly have a low bar for quality these days…

Despite taking over a year to come up with the Edit, and also a considerable amount of money from people to pay himself a wage to do so throughout the process - to profit from IP he does not own - and potentially endangering the Fan Editing community in doing so.
 

Solely as a member here, just a few possibilities as to why it may be receiving praise - despite it’s apparent lack of quality…

I imagine a few of the people praising it haven’t seen a Fan Edit since The Phantom Edit? 😉 (and likely don’t know of the existence of communities like ours, FE, FR and others.)

There’ll also likely be those who view and cheer his Edit as ‘sticking it to the man’ (or the people who made TLJ / modern Star Wars films, in this case.)

A few may likely in denial about how bad it apparently is (some people who invest a lot of time, effort and money in something - as well as cheering the ideology of it’s goal - may choose to ignore, downplay or see past it’s faults or shortcomings.)

A few shills? Something that has gained traction with the monetisation of videos and blogs - to the point of an income (and other social media; ie fake reviews & fake accounts - and there’ll always be trolls, WUMs and spammers etc online.)

Linking up with other like-minded sites/channels - cue more additional automatic likes or praise for a project sharing a similar cause / ideology. Even more effective when it’s negative based (people like to repeatedly and continually rage or bash on something they deem offensive or unworthy; especially when in groups - more than people do who enjoy things or just find things okay or mixed etc.)

And some, of course, may just enjoy it for what it is… Ivan Ortega’s wallet likely has is?

 

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Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?
And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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Ivan’s crowd appear to be largely TLJ haters- those who despise a vast majority of the changes made. That isn’t a bad thing in it itself, there are some people who think that here, and we all get to respectfully share our opinions. But when surrounded by a community that continues to hate upon hate you get into a situation where anything is better.

My assumption is the praise does not come out of the edit’s quality. The people are only interested in story. They don’t care if the audio is odd or the cuts on dough, or even if the story contradicts itself as long as it directly fixes their issues with Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson the edit is a masterpiece. If it creates new problems, eh who cares.

My greatest worry now is towards the children of those in this community. When (more likely if xd) their parents show them Star Wars for the first time, Episode 8 will be called “The Last Jedi Re-Edit”. 😦

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OutboundFlight said:

Ivan’s crowd appear to be largely TLJ haters- those who despise a vast majority of the changes made. That isn’t a bad thing in it itself, there are some people who think that here, and we all get to respectfully share our opinions. But when surrounded by a community that continues to hate upon hate you get into a situation where anything is better.

My assumption is the praise does not come out of the edit’s quality. The people are only interested in story. They don’t care if the audio is odd or the cuts on dough, or even if the story contradicts itself as long as it directly fixes their issues with Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson the edit is a masterpiece. If it creates new problems, eh who cares.

My greatest worry now is towards the children of those in this community. When (more likely if xd) their parents show them Star Wars for the first time, Episode 8 will be called “The Last Jedi Re-Edit”. 😦

Lol He didn’t think to give it an appealing name. May as well just called it ‘The Last Jedi Fanedit.’

I agree people just WANT to like it because they hate the original. I personally thought the original was terrible, but I don’t hate it enough to accept this turd as a replacement.

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I downloaded it before reading the comments here. I might just move the file to my Recycle Bin now. I still think ForceGhostRecon’s TLJ edit is the best one I’ve seen yet. 😃

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stevepaynter said:

I have edited the post.

I edited it further.

If you have any issue or problem with this then please send me a PM to discuss the matter further - as not to derail this thread.

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Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?
And say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

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BMadden said:

I downloaded it before reading the comments here. I might just move the file to my Recycle Bin now. I still think ForceGhostRecon’s TLJ edit is the best one I’ve seen yet. 😃

I appreciate that endorsement! I think the reason that edit came out so good is the community really gave good feedback with good suggestions - it was a great collaborative effort and my job was ‘clean’ execution 😉

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ForceGhostRecon said:

OutboundFlight said:

Ivan’s crowd appear to be largely TLJ haters- those who despise a vast majority of the changes made. That isn’t a bad thing in it itself, there are some people who think that here, and we all get to respectfully share our opinions. But when surrounded by a community that continues to hate upon hate you get into a situation where anything is better.

My assumption is the praise does not come out of the edit’s quality. The people are only interested in story. They don’t care if the audio is odd or the cuts on dough, or even if the story contradicts itself as long as it directly fixes their issues with Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson the edit is a masterpiece. If it creates new problems, eh who cares.

My greatest worry now is towards the children of those in this community. When (more likely if xd) their parents show them Star Wars for the first time, Episode 8 will be called “The Last Jedi Re-Edit”. 😦

Lol He didn’t think to give it an appealing name. May as well just called it ‘The Last Jedi Fanedit.’

I agree people just WANT to like it because they hate the original. I personally thought the original was terrible, but I don’t hate it enough to accept this turd as a replacement.

Hahaha… I know. At least the people on here know how to name an edit. Before I started editing, I watched his stuff and thought that some of the ideas were fine. But when I watched it, I just found myself skipping around and feeling glad that I did my own edit lol.

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I really don’t know which one is worse… the edit itself or the comment section in the announcement video. I am just glad this project is finally over and I wasn’t even surprised that it turned out to be a turd in the end. The Patreon supporters must be overflowing with joy. But yeah, this edit was initially directed towards the ultimate TLJ haters so… good for those who can find some solace through this professional film editor’s version… I guess?

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But is it really…

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I’d don’t see how anyone here can be surprised at the failure of this edit

“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”

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Jackpumpkinhead said:

I’d don’t see how anyone here can be surprised at the failure of this edit

Well, it’s more like…

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The comments and credits are so pretentious. I love how many comments framed it as him “taking on a multi-billion dollar company”.

Oh, yeah, Ivan, you sure showed them. Thanks for saving Star Wars and risking the existence of fanediting itself!

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StarkillerAG said:

I just watched this edit a few hours ago, and I mostly agree with the people who have already given their thoughts, but I’m going to try an in-depth review of this edit, explaining my thoughts on specific changes.
The opening scene:
I don’t like how Ivan edited the prank call into a Hux monologue: it feels unnecessary. I’m glad that the dumb “wipe that nervous expression” joke is gone, but I liked the BB-8 plug joke that Ivan also removed. The added footage in the bomber scene is interesting, but unnecessary. The voiceover saying “activating magnetic bombardment” to explain how the bombs fall is also unnecessary. Same thing with the added footage of Kylo on a star destroyer.

The Hux monologue is a thousand times better than the Hux prank call, which turns a menacing fascist general from The Force Awakens into a bumbling idiot. In theaters, I laughed at the “wipe that nervous expression” joke but not the BB-8 plug joke. I thought the “activating magnetic bombardment” line was a nice touch.

Luke on the island:
Changing Luke’s character to be more of a wise old Jedi is an interesting idea in theory, but it was executed poorly. The new Luke lines sound nothing like Mark Hamill, and they’re way too quiet. Luke’s character also drastically changes between scenes. In some scenes he’s a wise old Jedi who encourages Rey’s training, but in other scenes he’s a cynical hermit who wants the Jedi to end. The training montage is also an interesting idea, but there isn’t enough existing footage to make it work.

This is my biggest problem with the edit. The new Luke lines sound awful, and Luke’s character acts inconsistently from one scene to the next.

Finn and Rose:
I’m surprised this subplot is still in the movie. There are many edits that cut it completely, and it works great. I like the trims Ivan made to this subplot, but they aren’t enough to save it. The Finn and Rose scenes are also way too far apart: There are many parts that are just Luke and Rey scenes edited together, and just when I get interested in Luke and Rey’s story, the movie cuts back to Finn and Rose. Having a TIE fighter shoot Finn down just asks more questions than it answers. Didn’t Rey and Chewie shoot all the fighters down? What happened to Rose? Who was that woman Finn dragged back to the base?

I am not against the Finn-Rose subplot, but I hated the Maz Kanata hologram action scene and DJ’s stuttering.
EDIT: As well as the on-the-nose political dialogue and the Fathier chase.

Ivan Ortega’s cut of Finn’s sacrifice was far preferable to the theatrical version. Stopping Finn from sacrificing himself endangered the Resistance and dishonored her sister, who similarly sacrificed herself. Although I prefer edits where an AT-At shoots down Finn, this is an improvement.

EDIT: I agree Ivan Ortega’s edit created multiple inconsistencies here: (1) Rey draws away all Tie-Fighters, but one shoots down Finn. (2) Rose is never shot down. Despite these logical inconsistencies, I still think his edit is preferable to the theatrical version. But I prefer edits where AT-ATs shoot down Finn.

Admiral Ackbar:
The new Ackbar scenes weren’t executed well at all: the rotoscoping is painfully obvious, and the new Ackbar lines sound awful. Ackbar introducing Holdo adds nothing except for a line about Imperial spies which is never mentioned again. Ackbar replacing Holdo in the suicide run is just pointless fan service, and it hurts Holdo’s character arc if she just happened to be on one of the transports that got blown up instead of going out in a blaze of glory.

The mention of spies is necessary to explain why Holdo never reveals her secret plan.

I am surprised anyone would complain about Ackbar replacing Holdo in the hyperspace kamikaze. Holdo never had a character arc: She refuses to reveal her secret plan for no reason and then dies. If an established character sacrifices himself instead, the scene carries a greater emotional weight.

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For a so called “professional” editor, he makes rookie mistakes with this edit. If you are going to change or remove something you have to make sure it doesn’t impact or contradict anything else in the film. This one makes some huge errors. Ackbar for one. We see him getting blown up and then he magically reappears later. All the TIEs are destroyed yet one magically appears to shoot Finn down and then disappears yet again. He removes Rose saving Finn but then suddenly he’s dragging her back to the base and she’s injured. Well how the F**K did that happen? He removes Leia using the force to save herself, but now she’s magically back in the ship after getting blown out. And where the hell does Holdo go?

How anyone can heap so much praise on this is beyond me. It’s obvious form the start that this guy is using bootleg versions and clips ripped off the internet. If he was using the blu-ray then he would have had the deleted scenes in their correct framerate. As it stands in this edit the deleted scenes and footage taken from the other films (Ackbar) have a different framerate and look a bloody awful, jerky mess. Surely a professional editor would know about framerates and could see how bad using footage that has a different framerate would look on screen without even attempting to alter it? This guy wanted money to produce this yet couldn’t buy a copy of the blu-ray to make sure his edit is the best possible quality? Does this guy have no pride in his work or does this prove that this was nothing more than a money making exercise?

This guy has a serious problem with women. It’s obvious with this edit and it blatantly obvious from looking at his youtube channel.

The voice dubbing is terrible too. Not even an attempt to have the new dubs match in with the original soundtrack. The guy doing Luke sounds like he’s too close to the microphone and speaking quietly so people in the next room can’t hear him. Luke’s character changes so much between the dub and the original. And the new dialogue is BAD. Ackbar sounds nothing like the version he promised in his preview clips. Now he sounds nothing like him.

The audio mix is also bad. When overlaying the new music, why didn’t he just use the centre channel for the dialogue and replace the sound effects to the left/right channels instead of using a stereo track so you can clearly hear the original music mixed in with the new?

This guy broke all the rule of fan editors and put the whole scene in jeopardy. When the people behind Anaxar caused the copyright holders to crack down when it became apparent those guys were directly profiting from crowdfunding, it seriously harmed the Trek fan film community. I just hope this doesn’t do the same for the Star Wars one or fan editing in general.

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Ivan is the “Rian Johnson” of Fan-Edit! 😄

In the dictionary it means: Make a “Johnson”.

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Adywan’s breakdown is spot on.

The title “professional film editor” has officially lost it’s luster…

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LordPlagueis said:
The Hux monologue is a thousand times better than the Hux prank call, which turns a menacing fascist general from The Force Awakens into a bumbling idiot.

I’d prefer if the Hux scene was cut completely. Hux was menacing in TFA, we don’t need to re-establish that.

I thought the "activating magnetic bombardment was a nice touch.

This isn’t Star Trek though, it’s fantasy. Not everything needs an explanation.

I am not against the Finn-Rose subplot, but I hated the Maz Kanata hologram action scene and DJ’s stuttering.

I hated a lot more than that: Rose fangirling over Finn, the wacky casino, the unnecessary war profiteering message, freeing the animals and not freeing the slaves, Phasma returning only to die again, and BB-8 in an AT-ST.

Ivan Ortega’s cut of Finn’s sacrifice was far preferable to the theatrical version. Stopping Finn from sacrificing himself endangered the Resistance and dishonored her sister, who similarly sacrificed herself. Although I prefer edits where an AT-At shoots down Finn, this is an improvement.

Why can’t an AT-AT shoot Finn down? Other edits have shown how easy it is. Including footage of Finn dragging Rose back to base just asks more questions than it answers.

The mention of spies is necessary to explain why Holdo never reveals her secret plan.

No, it isn’t. Poe’s recklessness destroyed half the fleet and got him demoted. That should be enough of a reason why Holdo never tells Poe the plan.

I am surprised anyone would complain about Ackbar replacing Holdo in the hyperspace kamikaze. Holdo never had a character arc: She refuses to reveal her secret plan for no reason and then dies. If an established character sacrifices himself instead, the scene carries a greater emotional weight.

It’s less Holdo’s arc and more Poe’s arc. Holdo is a plot device that teaches Poe not to let his emotions control his actions. If Holdo, a character that Poe thought couldn’t be trusted, sacrifices herself to save the fleet, it emphasizes that lesson. Ackbar taking Holdo’s role in the suicide run is just blatant fanservice that sacrifices storytelling.

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He’s the hockey pants counterpart to the Phantom Editor’s Batman.