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I agree the humor goes to far at some points.
I think this needs to be like empires tone. Where its mostly a dark flim.

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The quote would be too big but I agree with you DominicCobb

Now that you say it, the Rey-Luke scene is about understanding what the Force is, and with that concept in mind, the tickling is important to show that it’s not just about, like you said, extending your hand and there! Force!

It’s about what’s inside.

Anyway, I think I’m repeating myself a bit here but I think that cutting ANY scene, or part of a scene, involving Rey, Luke, and Kylo should be done with great care. It’s the heart of the movie.

Not to say nothing can be cut, but think long and hard about it before cutting.

Personally I think I wouldn’t cut anything from them, but I’d need to watch it again to be sure. Basically all the movie I was sitting thinking “I wanna see REY, LUKE, and KYLO (and Snoke) stop showing me crap that I don’t care about!”

It doesn’t help that the rest of the movie not only feels like filler, but is actually filler since nothing comes of it in terms of plot. (BUT there is character development, which may or may not be relevant once IX rolls out)

Depends what JJ does.

That is also why I think that a final cut of TFA and TLJ cannot be truly achieved before IX comes out. Before we know what ultimately matters and what doesn’t.

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DominicCobb said:

Sir Ridley said:

DominicCobb said:

The reed is maybe the best/most important joke in the movie from a character/story perspective.

Close second is the lightsaber toss.

Interesting. I feel like the reed joke goes on a bit too far at the expense of Rey, making her look stupid and making Luke look mean as he says “wow, you must be really strong with the force”. I would want to shorten it a bit. What are your thoughts on it?

I don’t think it makes her look stupid at all. She legitimately doesn’t know what the force is or how it works (and I don’t blame her, considering). Luke doesn’t seem mean there (to me at least), he’s just teasing a bit.

I see, thank you for clarifying! I still think it could be trimmed a bit without losing the purpose behind it. And I would argue that in a way Rey knows some of what the force is and some ways to use it. She has heard stories about the Jedi and the force, and she instinctively used the force in a couple of ways in TFA.

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Sir Ridley said:

DominicCobb said:

Sir Ridley said:

DominicCobb said:

The reed is maybe the best/most important joke in the movie from a character/story perspective.

Close second is the lightsaber toss.

Interesting. I feel like the reed joke goes on a bit too far at the expense of Rey, making her look stupid and making Luke look mean as he says “wow, you must be really strong with the force”. I would want to shorten it a bit. What are your thoughts on it?

I don’t think it makes her look stupid at all. She legitimately doesn’t know what the force is or how it works (and I don’t blame her, considering). Luke doesn’t seem mean there (to me at least), he’s just teasing a bit.

I see, thank you for clarifying! I still think it could be trimmed a bit without losing the purpose behind it. And I would argue that in a way Rey knows some of what the force is and some ways to use it. She has heard stories about the Jedi and the force,

Yes, but that’s part of the point, she’s heard myths about the Jedi. So not necessarily accurate.

and she instinctively used the force in a couple of ways in TFA.

Yes, instinctively, so she doesn’t really know how to actively use it.

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Zachary VIII said:

ziggyonice said:

It bugs me how many people want to strip all humor out of Star Wars.

Yes, The Last Jedi had some attempts at humor that went too far. But instead of completely taking out those lines, perhaps just trim them a little. For example, the infamous “your mom” joke that Poe makes was too much in my opinion, but I was okay with him joking for a moment saying that he was on hold for Hux. Cut it there.

I didn’t mind “big ass door” or Luke winking. I will say that I thought his brushing off the shoulder wasn’t really appropriate, but again — don’t take out all humor. Give us a good balance.

Personally I think the humor level in TFA was just right most of the time (except for “so who talks first”).

That line literally ruined my first viewing of TFA. Yuck. Broke my suspension of disbelief in an otherwise incredibly great scene.

I think I’ve come around more on that movie since, but Marvel Humor is the worst and TLJ is filled with it.

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KILLOFFPOE said:

Zachary VIII said:

ziggyonice said:

It bugs me how many people want to strip all humor out of Star Wars.

Yes, The Last Jedi had some attempts at humor that went too far. But instead of completely taking out those lines, perhaps just trim them a little. For example, the infamous “your mom” joke that Poe makes was too much in my opinion, but I was okay with him joking for a moment saying that he was on hold for Hux. Cut it there.

I didn’t mind “big ass door” or Luke winking. I will say that I thought his brushing off the shoulder wasn’t really appropriate, but again — don’t take out all humor. Give us a good balance.

Personally I think the humor level in TFA was just right most of the time (except for “so who talks first”).

That line literally ruined my first viewing of TFA. Yuck. Broke my suspension of disbelief in an otherwise incredibly great scene.

I think I’ve come around more on that movie since, but Marvel Humor is the worst and TLJ is filled with it.

I disagree. Marvel humor is fine, in marvel movies. It just doesn’t always fit in Star Wars.

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KILLOFFPOE said:

Zachary VIII said:

ziggyonice said:

It bugs me how many people want to strip all humor out of Star Wars.

Yes, The Last Jedi had some attempts at humor that went too far. But instead of completely taking out those lines, perhaps just trim them a little. For example, the infamous “your mom” joke that Poe makes was too much in my opinion, but I was okay with him joking for a moment saying that he was on hold for Hux. Cut it there.

I didn’t mind “big ass door” or Luke winking. I will say that I thought his brushing off the shoulder wasn’t really appropriate, but again — don’t take out all humor. Give us a good balance.

Personally I think the humor level in TFA was just right most of the time (except for “so who talks first”).

That line literally ruined my first viewing of TFA.

And yet you kept watching. And yet you watched it more than once. And yet you watched TLJ.

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Is there any way we could use the Luke V Rey Stick fight in a vision in a VII-VIII mashup?

Rey learns nothing from Luke in TLJ really, she just comes to a realization that she has to go it alone. If we could make Luke’s stick into a green lightsaber blade, and maybe rotoscope in Kylo Ren, we could use that footage for a forceback.

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Rotoscoping, adding a lightsaber… Unless you have a grander plan for that, that’s an awful lot of work for… what exactly?

I fail to see how Rey learns nothing from Luke. She learns about failure, his failure, even legends can fail, that’s the whole point of the movie.

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Daxtreme, the problem with Luke’s entire arc in the film is that he already learned the lessons of failure in the OT. The way TLJ plays out is as though Empire and Jedi never actually happened, and Luke never learned the lessons that he in fact did learn in the earlier movies, so he never actually teaches Rey anything in a believable way.

He tries to whack Ben “because dark side” (total BS)

He then wallows in self pity and she learns from that? She leaves Luke after she gets fed up with him and he with her. That’s not a lesson. Luke doesn’t even teach her the lesson of failure, she has to beat a confession of wrongdoing out of him with a stick and lightsaber.

1 “Lesson” is how the force exists beyond light and dark and pervades everything (we already know this, so does Rey from Maz in TFA.)

2nd “Lesson” is that neither side has a monopoly on the force, and the Jedi in their arrogance allowed the Sith to rise from their own ranks. (Luke repeats the same mistakes his own masters made with Anakin due to merely “sensing the darkness” in Ben. That is a betrayal of the character’s whole arc in the last trilogy.

3rd Lesson was cut from the film.

Rotoscoping a saber where Luke’s staff is would be done to re purpose those shots for a kind of Luke V the Knights of Ren shot in a force back, or maybe a Luke V Ben shot where Rey is seeing things from Ben’s perspective. You could put audio over this of “let the past die” and “this is not going to go the way you think!”

Mark Hamill had his own backstory for why Luke exiled himself, namely losing a child. I think if Luke was training Ben and his other students during a time of his own personal crisis,

(something beyond his control and just natural) this would make for a better rationale for Luke to fail them all, and also for Ben to turn. (a rationale was never given beyond “because Snoke, and Because dark side.”

Imagine if it could be implied that Luke suffered a loss and therefore loses faith, while Ben is committed to the Jedi code of no attachments, but being twisted by Snoke. (let the past die = be free of attachments, which is a Jedi ideal,) but Luke sees the rigid interpretation of that ideal as THE problem of the Jedi that needs to end.

The blame going to Luke for Ben’s turn falls flat because the Luke of the OT wouldn’t make those mistakes. “always in motion is the future.” What lesson did Luke learn after getting his hand chopped off if not “don’t jump to conclusions based on a force vision?”

It would be more intriguing if Luke was in fact the “great Luke Skywalker” of Legend, but a basic aspect of life (like losing a child) is what brings him down despite his being a full Jedi and having that discipline, and even despite being able to integrate a family life.

The way that TLJ presently frames things, Luke never learned from any of his experiences, and stayed a frightened boy who was mistakenly ascribed legendary status.

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Well that’s an incredibly ambitious endeavor and one which, I think, should wait to see how things play out in episode IX before making such a huge commitment.

You’re basically changing Luke’s arc altogether, and it may not be possible.

Good luck though, if it works, could be very interesting!

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Gimpy said:

Daxtreme, the problem with Luke’s entire arc in the film is that he already learned the lessons of failure in the OT. The way TLJ plays out is as though Empire and Jedi never actually happened, and Luke never learned the lessons that he in fact did learn in the earlier movies, so he never actually teaches Rey anything in a believable way.

He tries to whack Ben “because dark side” (total BS)

He then wallows in self pity and she learns from that? She leaves Luke after she gets fed up with him and he with her. That’s not a lesson. Luke doesn’t even teach her the lesson of failure, she has to beat a confession of wrongdoing out of him with a stick and lightsaber.

1 “Lesson” is how the force exists beyond light and dark and pervades everything (we already know this, so does Rey from Maz in TFA.)

2nd “Lesson” is that neither side has a monopoly on the force, and the Jedi in their arrogance allowed the Sith to rise from their own ranks. (Luke repeats the same mistakes his own masters made with Anakin due to merely “sensing the darkness” in Ben. That is a betrayal of the character’s whole arc in the last trilogy.

3rd Lesson was cut from the film.

Rotoscoping a saber where Luke’s staff is would be done to re purpose those shots for a kind of Luke V the Knights of Ren shot in a force back, or maybe a Luke V Ben shot where Rey is seeing things from Ben’s perspective. You could put audio over this of “let the past die” and “this is not going to go the way you think!”

Mark Hamill had his own backstory for why Luke exiled himself, namely losing a child. I think if Luke was training Ben and his other students during a time of his own personal crisis,

(something beyond his control and just natural) this would make for a better rationale for Luke to fail them all, and also for Ben to turn. (a rationale was never given beyond “because Snoke, and Because dark side.”

Imagine if it could be implied that Luke suffered a loss and therefore loses faith, while Ben is committed to the Jedi code of no attachments, but being twisted by Snoke. (let the past die = be free of attachments, which is a Jedi ideal,) but Luke sees the rigid interpretation of that ideal as THE problem of the Jedi that needs to end.

The blame going to Luke for Ben’s turn falls flat because the Luke of the OT wouldn’t make those mistakes. “always in motion is the future.” What lesson did Luke learn after getting his hand chopped off if not “don’t jump to conclusions based on a force vision?”

It would be more intriguing if Luke was in fact the “great Luke Skywalker” of Legend, but a basic aspect of life (like losing a child) is what brings him down despite his being a full Jedi and having that discipline, and even despite being able to integrate a family life.

The way that TLJ presently frames things, Luke never learned from any of his experiences, and stayed a frightened boy who was mistakenly ascribed legendary status.

You just summed up all my problems with TLJ.

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Gimpy said:

Daxtreme, the problem with Luke’s entire arc in the film is that he already learned the lessons of failure in the OT. The way TLJ plays out is as though Empire and Jedi never actually happened, and Luke never learned the lessons that he in fact did learn in the earlier movies, so he never actually teaches Rey anything in a believable way.

He tries to whack Ben “because dark side” (total BS)

He then wallows in self pity and she learns from that? She leaves Luke after she gets fed up with him and he with her. That’s not a lesson. Luke doesn’t even teach her the lesson of failure, she has to beat a confession of wrongdoing out of him with a stick and lightsaber.

1 “Lesson” is how the force exists beyond light and dark and pervades everything (we already know this, so does Rey from Maz in TFA.)

2nd “Lesson” is that neither side has a monopoly on the force, and the Jedi in their arrogance allowed the Sith to rise from their own ranks. (Luke repeats the same mistakes his own masters made with Anakin due to merely “sensing the darkness” in Ben. That is a betrayal of the character’s whole arc in the last trilogy.

3rd Lesson was cut from the film.

Rotoscoping a saber where Luke’s staff is would be done to re purpose those shots for a kind of Luke V the Knights of Ren shot in a force back, or maybe a Luke V Ben shot where Rey is seeing things from Ben’s perspective. You could put audio over this of “let the past die” and “this is not going to go the way you think!”

Mark Hamill had his own backstory for why Luke exiled himself, namely losing a child. I think if Luke was training Ben and his other students during a time of his own personal crisis,

(something beyond his control and just natural) this would make for a better rationale for Luke to fail them all, and also for Ben to turn. (a rationale was never given beyond “because Snoke, and Because dark side.”

Imagine if it could be implied that Luke suffered a loss and therefore loses faith, while Ben is committed to the Jedi code of no attachments, but being twisted by Snoke. (let the past die = be free of attachments, which is a Jedi ideal,) but Luke sees the rigid interpretation of that ideal as THE problem of the Jedi that needs to end.

The blame going to Luke for Ben’s turn falls flat because the Luke of the OT wouldn’t make those mistakes. “always in motion is the future.” What lesson did Luke learn after getting his hand chopped off if not “don’t jump to conclusions based on a force vision?”

It would be more intriguing if Luke was in fact the “great Luke Skywalker” of Legend, but a basic aspect of life (like losing a child) is what brings him down despite his being a full Jedi and having that discipline, and even despite being able to integrate a family life.

The way that TLJ presently frames things, Luke never learned from any of his experiences, and stayed a frightened boy who was mistakenly ascribed legendary status.

Well said. Mark Hamill’s performance was great, and all the imagery of Luke as a bitter recluse was really cool, but it never struck me as true to his character. People are so infatuated with the idea of prequel Jedi sucking that they forget we’re supposed to like the Jedi.

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I would like to see the following lines cut: “Chromedome” and “Dummy!” I feel it’s “Skyguy” territory.

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Dr. Krogshöj said:

I would like to see the following lines cut: “Chromedome” and “Dummy!” I feel it’s “Skyguy” territory.

I feel the same way about most of Finn’s ‘funnier’ lines. He’s a good character in dramatic moments, but his quips and one-liners are like verbal slapstick to me.

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Vladius said:

Gimpy said:

Well said. Mark Hamill’s performance was great, and all the imagery of Luke as a bitter recluse was really cool, but it never struck me as true to his character. People are so infatuated with the idea of prequel Jedi sucking that they forget we’re supposed to like the Jedi.

Everyone justifies hobo Luke by saying “he just hasn’t learned from the failure of the peetee jedi!!!”.

The PT Jedi protected the galaxy for like 10,000 years and were sitting on a millennium of peace. They failed because they BROKE their own rules (which were supposedly so flawed) and trained a creepy nine year old.

Most of you probably don’t even care for the PT, so that’s cool. But I keep hearing people talking about the Jedi Order like it was the worst thing ever, and its annoying.

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How about cutting Finn and Rose (almost) entirely from the movie? Move Finn waking up shortly after Holdo assumes command. Finn’s “where’s Rey?” cuts to Rey arriving on the Supremacy. Canto Bight and the Hyperspace tracker, all gone. Besides just cutting a poor subplot, it also simplifies the story considerably by letting us focus in on the arcs of Rey, Kylo, and Poe. Finn could try to escape right before the mutiny, providing us a small intro to Rose. Then they aren’t seen until Crait, with Rose’s “arc” implied as her forgiving him. Poe can still have his mutiny, but he doesn’t mention Finn’s mission (Finn would be in the ship prison).

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OutboundFlight said:

How about cutting Finn and Rose (almost) entirely from the movie? Move Finn waking up shortly after Holdo assumes command. Finn’s “where’s Rey?” cuts to Rey arriving on the Supremacy. Canto Bight and the Hyperspace tracker, all gone. Besides just cutting a poor subplot, it also simplifies the story considerably by letting us focus in on the arcs of Rey, Kylo, and Poe. Finn could try to escape right before the mutiny, providing us a small intro to Rose. Then they aren’t seen until Crait, with Rose’s “arc” implied as her forgiving him. Poe can still have his mutiny, but he doesn’t mention Finn’s mission (Finn would be in the ship prison).

How do you explain the First Order shooting on the Resistance’s escape pods? That’s tied to DJ’s character, who would be completely gone in your edit.

“After a time, you may find that having, is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.” - Spock

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OutboundFlight said:
How about cutting Finn and Rose (almost) entirely from the movie? Move Finn waking up shortly after Holdo assumes command. Finn’s “where’s Rey?” cuts to Rey arriving on the Supremacy. Canto Bight and the Hyperspace tracker, all gone. Besides just cutting a poor subplot, it also simplifies the story considerably by letting us focus in on the arcs of Rey, Kylo, and Poe.

I know it sounds great to cut out that entire B-plot, but there’s a few problems with it. Like Handman mentioned, DJ needs to betray the Resistance to the First Order. Second, there’s Leia’s tracker that Finn picks up so Rey can fly to Snoke’s Star Destroyer. Third, Finn and Rose have to fly back to Crait in the used First Order ship. So, having them just appear in the final battle without the Canto Bight plot would be jarring from a viewer’s perspective.

Admittedly, it would be interesting to see Finn kamikaze the Death Star laser without any previous footage of him besides waking up. And then out of nowhere, a random girl from two hours ago bumps into him.

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You can cut pretty much all but one scene from Canto Bight, where DJ’s character is first introduced.

“After a time, you may find that having, is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.” - Spock

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darthrush said:
[Handman] You can cut pretty much all but one scene from Canto Bight, where DJ’s character is first introduced.

Or you just have them leave for Canto Bight, and we see them next on the way back already with the codebreaker when Poe calls. No need to see anything of Canto Bight.

Is that what you guys are planning to do? Cut Canto Bight but keep the codebreaker? Are you going to have the scene where DJ is telling Finn about arms dealers or will you cut right to Snoke’s Star Destroyer?

I was thinking about keeping the initial visit to Canto Bight where they look around a bit, they see the real codebreaker, and then get arrested. No preaching about animal cruelty and bad rich people. I’m debating whether or not to cut the scene after DJ picks the lock and then they go right to the escape ship.

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EvenSteven said:

darthrush said:
[Handman] You can cut pretty much all but one scene from Canto Bight, where DJ’s character is first introduced.

Or you just have them leave for Canto Bight, and we see them next on the way back already with the codebreaker when Poe calls. No need to see anything of Canto Bight.

Is that what you guys are planning to do? Cut Canto Bight but keep the codebreaker? Are you going to have the scene where DJ is telling Finn about arms dealers or will you cut right to Snoke’s Star Destroyer?

I was thinking about keeping the initial visit to Canto Bight where they look around a bit, they see the real codebreaker, and then get arrested. No preaching about animal cruelty and bad rich people. I’m debating whether or not to cut the scene after DJ picks the lock and then they go right to the escape ship.

That’s a good proposition. Keeps Canto Bight, but to a strict minimum.

Suggestion: when they escape prison, cut straight to DJ’s ship. No chase, no shenenigans.

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darthrush said:

Handman said:

You can cut pretty much all but one scene from Canto Bight, where DJ’s character is first introduced.

Or you just have them leave for Canto Bight, and we see them next on the way back already with the codebreaker when Poe calls. No need to see anything of Canto Bight.

That is what I planned to have in my edit, but I realized something about the pacing was off.

“After a time, you may find that having, is not so pleasing a thing after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.” - Spock

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Daxtreme said:

EvenSteven said:

darthrush said:
[Handman] You can cut pretty much all but one scene from Canto Bight, where DJ’s character is first introduced.

Or you just have them leave for Canto Bight, and we see them next on the way back already with the codebreaker when Poe calls. No need to see anything of Canto Bight.

Is that what you guys are planning to do? Cut Canto Bight but keep the codebreaker? Are you going to have the scene where DJ is telling Finn about arms dealers or will you cut right to Snoke’s Star Destroyer?

I was thinking about keeping the initial visit to Canto Bight where they look around a bit, they see the real codebreaker, and then get arrested. No preaching about animal cruelty and bad rich people. I’m debating whether or not to cut the scene after DJ picks the lock and then they go right to the escape ship.

That’s a good proposition. Keeps Canto Bight, but to a strict minimum.

Suggestion: when they escape prison, cut straight to DJ’s ship. No chase, no shenenigans.

That’s the best idea, would there be any way to create a different reason they got in prison in the first place other than a parking violation? It feels comical in how such a frivolous action had such a large effect on the sequences Canto Bight