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That’s a good way to put it. I had that feeling throughout the show, that I could see how these ideas sound good on paper, but we’re executed strangely.

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Regarding the jedi masters’ intentions in ROTJ, I had never given it much thought to be honest. I don’t think I even realised there was a debate until recently. To me it was clear that both Obi-Wan and Yoda wanted Luke to kill Vader, for several reasons:

Obi-Wan says that they have already lost when Luke says he can’t kill his own father. He then shuts down the idea of redemption when Luke suggests there is still good in Vader. This would be some really bizarre reverse psychology if Obi-Wan actually intended for Luke to somehow stop Vader peacefully. Also, this is not totally solid as it was cut, but in the ROTJ script there is more dialogue in this scene and Obi-Wan says quite explicitly that Luke is to ‘destroy’ Vader.

Yoda’s intentions are less clear in dialogue but I still get the impression that he wanted Vader to be killed. He says it was ‘unfortunate’ for Luke to find out Vader was his father, and considers the knowledge a burden. This could really only be the case if the intention was for Luke to kill Vader. If the plan was for Luke to somehow turn his father instead, knowing about him in advance would have been more of an asset than a hindrance.

Lastly, the dramatic tension of the film hinges on Luke believing in Vader’s redemption when literally no-one else would. He manages to force a resolution without resorting to killing, defying all expectations in the process. It’s bizarre to me to think his mentors secretly wanted the same thing, and they just refused to say that or worse heavily imply the opposite.

Regarding the outcome of the duel in OWK, it looks dumb to me. The whole exchange is quite nice but walking away seems contradictory. If Obi-Wan finds some peace in knowing that Anakin is gone, and that Vader killed him, shouldn’t he find it easier to finish the job and kill the enemy? There is no conceivable way that leaving Vader alive would benefit anybody. I never really liked the resolution of their fight in ROTS, and how Obi-Wan just let his old friend burn instead of putting him out of his misery; but at least then he had reason to assume he would die from those injuries. Obviously the real reason in both cases is that Vader had to survive for later films, however they could have been staged differently to make Obi-Wan’s decisions look less questionable.

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I think you’re right about ROTJ, and that kind of touches on what Dr. Dre also said.

I think in general Obi-Wan kind of comes off as sort of a jerk to Luke when they have their conversation. First, Obi-Wan pulls the whole “certain point of view” card, instead of just apologizing for lying to Luke. And he basically guilt trips Luke with the whole, “then the Emperor’s already won”. It feels like they aren’t sympathizing with Luke at all. And even if Obi-Wan doesn’t say he has to kill his father, it feels like he is implying it. And a lot of fans seem to have interpreted it that way.

Even Yoda scolds Luke for the situation, and gets Luke to APOLOGIZE to him even though Yoda chose to keep that knowledge from him. I mean, it is a serious betrayal of trust for Luke, and they seem pretty cold about it.

And I do agree that I feel like a theme of the film does relate to Luke being right about Vader and Obi-Wan and Yoda being wrong. I pulled a Lucas quote out earlier about how he intended for Obi and Yoda to not directly tell Luke he has kill Vader, but I’m pretty sure there is another quote somewhere that boils down to this: Empire was about how you should listen to your elders, but Return of the Jedi is about not following your elders.

I guess the idea being that eventually we have to make our own decisions outside of our mentors, who aren’t always going to be right.

Note: I’m not really talking about Lucas’ intent, but more about the execution, and how some people have interpreted Obi-Wan and Yoda’s positions in those scenes.

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RogueLeader said:

I think you’re right about ROTJ, and that kind of touches on what Dr. Dre also said.

I think in general Obi-Wan kind of comes off as sort of a jerk to Luke when they have their conversation. First, Obi-Wan pulls the whole “certain point of view” card, instead of just apologizing for lying to Luke.

It’s such a weird scene ha, probably my least favourite in the OT. It’s an obvious and understandable lie on Ben’s part, just cop to it old man. Watching later entries in the series try to justifiy and further explain it is always so awkward to me too.

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RogueLeader said:

I know others don’t agree with this, and that’s totally fine, but Cosmonaut Variety Hour summed up my own feelings about the show rather well!

https://youtu.be/QPYpHPC5acg

Well, I agree with him about the best parts, but I don’t agree that the rest was that bad. I totally disagree that this was a series for doing something totally different. These are established characters with established futures and they did an excellent job weaving a tale that fit in the tapestry of the saga. Not an easy task and one that I think they pulled off very well.

And he was very wrong about The Mandelorian. Dave Filoni was involved and it was about a younger member of Yoda’s species with force powers. In the post ROTJ world, running into Luke and Ahsoka was inevitable. That intent was clear in the finale of season 1 and that is the way it played out in season2.

So what I’m seeing is two issues and this series has both. First is what is perceived as an unacceptable alteration to Saga characters/continuity. The other is a lack of new content. So on one hand, this video wants something new to happen in this series. On the other this is dealing with core OT characters and events. So it is getting flack for trying to stick something somewhat new in without it being new and different enough. Its getting a tough reaction from several fan circles while a lot of us and even more critics loved it.

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I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

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adywan said:

I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

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yotsuya said:

adywan said:

I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

Good grief man…every time.

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yotsuya said:

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

It’s not over simplistic at all. They’re the exact same senario. But not once does he state or it’s even hinted at that he will rejoin them during the first time or second. The only thing even mentioned about him returning was the promise to leia that she will see him again. But the fact that they used the same 3 character to have the same interaction in the two episodes make it more than just “similarities”

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Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

So, a weapon that we see generates so much heat that, when trust into a steel door, instantly starts turning it into molten metal, can get thrust into a human characters body for the length of time that Vader thrust it into Reva ( and we do see where he stabs her) and not kill her? her innards would be boiled to hell. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t through her spine, it was still right next to it and, in the time the sabre is inserted, there would be nothing left. If it had just been a quick thrust in and out , it could have been believable that she was ok. But it’s held in there a long time. And, apart from a little wincing at the beginning of ep6, she seemed perfectly fine when she got to the Lars homestead. Also, you can clearly see that she was stabbed through the chest at an angle, then when we see her on Tatooine, she just has a makeshift bandage around her waist . When characters can just miraculously survive these type of injuries it makes it all a joke. Takes any form of believability out of it.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi Movie Trilogy Was Planned Before Disney+ (Exclusive) - at The Direct

‘Obi-Wan Kenobi writer Stuart Beattie talked about his role in making the Ewan McGregor-starring project and how it was originally imagined as “a full trilogy.” Beattie was credited as a writer for Episodes 1, 2, 3, and the season finale of the series.’
 

That sounds great, and I wish a Kenobi film trilogy would have happened. And it was good to read what the original writer’s process was, how his film script was turned into this series, but sad to read he was “devastated” when he found out the project was no longer going ahead as a movie.

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Fan_edit_fan said:

yotsuya said:

adywan said:

I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

Good grief man…every time.

No need to rag on a guy for providing justifications. I’ve found his posts insightful, even if I disagree at times.

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To me, the only good thing that could have come from this being a movie or a trilogy would be that they wouldn’t have hired a television director and they would have put WAY more attention to the budget and special effects. I’m not confident we would have gotten better writing or plot though. This being one gigantic young Leia adventure was the wrong way to go imo, just unnecessary.

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BedeHistory731 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

yotsuya said:

adywan said:

I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

Good grief man…every time.

No need to rag on a guy for providing justifications. I’ve found his posts insightful, even if I disagree at times.

They want to love every bit of the product and combat any actual justified criticisms…stretching logic further. Not “ragging” on em…just blows me away how they can’t understand the flaws. It’s like constantly saying “No it’s super smart, you just don’t get it”.

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yotsuya said:
Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine.

Meh. She seems to be a little sore. She doesn’t seem to have just been impaled by something hot enough to cut through bulkheads and gone about her ass-kicking business with no medical attention.

 

Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.

 

That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.

 

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Fan_edit_fan said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

yotsuya said:

adywan said:

I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

Good grief man…every time.

No need to rag on a guy for providing justifications. I’ve found his posts insightful, even if I disagree at times.

They want to love every bit of the product and combat any actual justified criticisms…stretching logic further. Not “ragging” on em…just blows me away how they can’t understand the flaws. It’s like constantly saying “No it’s super smart, you just don’t get it”.

They do understand the flaws that you see and have tried to explain them logically and soundly. If you feel like you’re being talked down to by them, or they’re acting like an idiot, that’s entirely on you. Can’t they have their own interpretation without people like you leaping down their throats?

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BedeHistory731 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

yotsuya said:

adywan said:

I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

Good grief man…every time.

No need to rag on a guy for providing justifications. I’ve found his posts insightful, even if I disagree at times.

They want to love every bit of the product and combat any actual justified criticisms…stretching logic further. Not “ragging” on em…just blows me away how they can’t understand the flaws. It’s like constantly saying “No it’s super smart, you just don’t get it”.

They do understand the flaws that you see and have tried to explain them logically and soundly. If you feel like you’re being talked down to by them, or they’re acting like an idiot, that’s entirely on you. Can’t they have their own interpretation without people like you leaping down their throats?

I think you’re “blowing it out of proportion” now. If I don’t sense any “sound logic” like you claim then the discussion must continue. Chill out.

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yotsuya said:

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

It’s not over simplistic at all. They’re the exact same senario. But not once does he state or it’s even hinted at that he will rejoin them during the first time or second. The only thing even mentioned about him returning was the promise to leia that she will see him again. But the fact that they used the same 3 character to have the same interaction in the two episodes make it more than just “similarities”

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Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

So, a weapon that we see generates so much heat that, when trust into a steel door, instantly starts turning it into molten metal, can get thrust into a human characters body for the length of time that Vader thrust it into Reva ( and we do see where he stabs her) and not kill her? her innards would be boiled to hell. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t through her spine, it was still right next to it and, in the time the sabre is inserted, there would be nothing left. If it had just been a quick thrust in and out , it could have been believable that she was ok. But it’s held in there a long time. And, apart from a little wincing at the beginning of ep6, she seemed perfectly fine when she got to the Lars homestead. Also, you can clearly see that she was stabbed through the chest at an angle, then when we see her on Tatooine, she just has a makeshift bandage around her waist . When characters can just miraculously survive these type of injuries it makes it all a joke. Takes any form of believability out of it.

The angle looks like stomach or spleen to kidney, but not her spine. And they never cover what settings a lightsaber has. Perhaps it has high and low power for different uses. It reportedly had its origins as a cutting tool. And flesh and metal have different heat conductive properties. So I don’t see a problem.

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I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

Good grief man…every time.

No need to rag on a guy for providing justifications. I’ve found his posts insightful, even if I disagree at times.

They want to love every bit of the product and combat any actual justified criticisms…stretching logic further. Not “ragging” on em…just blows me away how they can’t understand the flaws. It’s like constantly saying “No it’s super smart, you just don’t get it”.

We differ in opinion on what is a problem. When I see one I note it. My reviews of BOBF episodes tend to agree that they they goofed up on the pacing of the episodes. They missed a huge opportunity to have Daniel Logan and some young Boba Fett to round out the character. A huge miss. Loved the Mando episode, but it was totally out of place in a series on Boba Fett. I just don’t see the same kind of issues with Kenobi. I loved it. Perhaps a tiny bit less than Mando, but not too far off. But I seriously don’t see any writing issues or set issues or any production issues at all. The worst I’d dock it for is some scenes have washed out colors, but that is a creative choice, not a quality issue.

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The angle looks like stomach or spleen to kidney, but not her spine. And they never cover what settings a lightsaber has. Perhaps it has high and low power for different uses. It reportedly had its origins as a cutting tool. And flesh and metal have different heat conductive properties. So I don’t see a problem.

“Perhaps,” “maybe,” “it’s possible.” My guy, every one of your arguments comes down to you writing the script out of the situation the writers put it in. Why would Vader put his saber on low power? Does that saber LOOK low-powered? And the biggest question of all, after all their talk of how anger and revenge can help any dark Jedi or Sith survive excruciating injuries, why in the world would they not do a confirm kill? There’s no logic in that moment whatsoever other than the writers wanted her to have a redemption moment on Tatooine, story and continuity be damned. Especially in canon where we’ve seen Vader cut Inquisitors down for much, MUCH less than actively trying to assassinate him.

It’s like they deliberately shined a light on the issue and told the audience to pretend there’s no problem.

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NVM, not worth it. Not this shit, ain’t fucking worth it.

Yotsuya, you have my support amidst the chorus of boos.

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adywan said:

yotsuya said:

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

It’s not over simplistic at all. They’re the exact same senario. But not once does he state or it’s even hinted at that he will rejoin them during the first time or second. The only thing even mentioned about him returning was the promise to leia that she will see him again. But the fact that they used the same 3 character to have the same interaction in the two episodes make it more than just “similarities”

yotsuya said:

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

So, a weapon that we see generates so much heat that, when trust into a steel door, instantly starts turning it into molten metal, can get thrust into a human characters body for the length of time that Vader thrust it into Reva ( and we do see where he stabs her) and not kill her? her innards would be boiled to hell. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t through her spine, it was still right next to it and, in the time the sabre is inserted, there would be nothing left. If it had just been a quick thrust in and out , it could have been believable that she was ok. But it’s held in there a long time. And, apart from a little wincing at the beginning of ep6, she seemed perfectly fine when she got to the Lars homestead. Also, you can clearly see that she was stabbed through the chest at an angle, then when we see her on Tatooine, she just has a makeshift bandage around her waist . When characters can just miraculously survive these type of injuries it makes it all a joke. Takes any form of believability out of it.

The angle looks like stomach or spleen to kidney, but not her spine. And they never cover what settings a lightsaber has. Perhaps it has high and low power for different uses. It reportedly had its origins as a cutting tool. And flesh and metal have different heat conductive properties. So I don’t see a problem.

Different power settings? That’s definitely just headcanon. There’s nothing to imply that you can freely toggle how deadly a lightsaber is. And why would Vader have it on a nonlethal setting, anyway?

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NVM, not worth it. Not this shit, ain’t fucking worth it.

Yotsuya, you have my support amidst the chorus of boos.

My point is not that you can’t interpret or headcanon whatever explanation you want and enjoy it to the best of your ability. But don’t come onto a public forum and expect everyone else to agree with you, or accept what you’ve come up with. There’s saying “no you’re wrong,” and then there’s verifiable evidence on screen. And the scene with Reva on Jabiim is an egregious example of the show gaslighting the audience while literally pointing at the plot hole.

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I just don’t like when posters get dogpiled, OK? We could all do to be a little nicer.

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We’re all giving our thoughts on the show. I don’t agree with yotsuya and I think they’re letting their feelings get in the way of thinking critically about it, but I can also relate because I really disliked it and have missed other valid interpretations here and there too because of that. Debate is important and part of that is checking other peoples arguments.