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CarboniteSolo said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

Vladius said:

They should just stop making Star Wars stuff, there’s enough already

Or they could come up with new ideas.

Even Disney new ideas are now being recycled like crazy (Baby Yoda / Lil Leia / Omega, or Rey the scavanger / Ben the hobo butcher, Reva / Finn even share lots of similar ideas). They even have already did TWICE the Imperial redhead guy switching side… (never trust gingers, remember Cartman warned us about them 😄).

Maybe they could just do less but better, quality vs quantity. But when I read some comments here, I have the feeling casual fans just want to be plugged to neverending Star Wars feed with a mind elastic enough to accept basically anything (it still is incredibly laughable to consider the number of comments defending a rematch set between Mustafar and the Death Star events as “adding more depth and layers”… well, we’ve seen the quality of those layers, right…).

They are bringing us new movies with new characters never before seen in Patty Jenkins movie Rogue Squadron in 2024 and Taika Waititi’s Star Wars film in 2023.

It’ll be here soon, patience.

I agree, and with the patience part. The Acolyte and Visions covers new ground, new characters, and new stories also. Maybe Skeleton Crew as well. Feige’s film is meant to be separate to what has come before too.

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I’m surprised they haven’t visited the KotOR era on film already. I’d like an adaptation of the first game. Same characters and basic story, but maybe a different Revan twist.

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“Patience” is something Disney needs to understand with Lucasfilm…not that long time fans need to calm down. We just want good/we’ll written scripts and not to have EVERYTHING hinge on the “Imperial turned good guy” trope that they absolutely keep regurgitating. They have soo many projects going on simultaneously that I can’t believe anyone is still holding out “patient” hope that they’re going to give you great adaptations of different eras, new characters or classic characters. The track record just proves otherwise.

Keep hoping though. “Rebellions are built on hope”.

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Someone mentioned Skeleton Crew. I heard today that the series was described as ‘Stranger Things in Star Wars’. And there are also rumors that the actress who plays Eleven in Stranger Things might be joining Skeleton Crew.

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Hal 9000 said:

The human-like species most of the main characters are ages more quickly than we do.

Or the year in the Star Wars universe is longer so being 60 is more like 70 or 80.

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My prediction for episode 6: A wounded Reeva battles Owen and Beru on Tatooine while Obi and Vader battle on Mustufar. Owen kills Reeva.

They needed another action sequence to cut into and out of during the final battle. Star Wars always intercuts the final battles. They even forced intercuts during episode 3 Obi/Vader fight with detective Reva and I hated it!

The only reason Reeva is still alive is for this purpose.

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After 5 really bad episodes, this finale was actually pretty good. It didn’t feel like it was even the same series (apart from some pretty dodgy CG ship effects & make-up). We finally get familiar SW themes. Why didn’t they do this for the other episodes? This one almost felt like it was created by a completely different team. Although Hayden still can’t act his way out of a paper bag. Stilted and wooden deliveries. They really should have got rid of all the useless fluff from the other episodes and developed this finale more into 2 eps. It felt rushed. Sadly they strengthened the bond between Ben & Leia which makes her reaction to his death in ANH even more cold. But this ep did seem to be a bit of a box ticker, which was a shame.

It did show the flaws in the ability of those in charge to plot out chance sequences though. the Stardestroyer chase was flat. compare this sequence to those in the OT, especially ESB with the stardestroyer chasing the falcon, and you will see what i mean. The stardestoyer itself looked more 90’s CG than the quality we have come to expect from ILM today. The movement of the ships in some shots just looked unreal/ unnatural.

The big problem was that, what should have been tense moments, just couldn’t be because we know they survive. There was no peril, even though it was written to portray just that. We know vader survives, we know ben survives, we know Leia survives, we know owen and beru survive. yet they were the ones that were supposed to be in danger. The only one we didn’t know their fate was Reva, but she was just a throw away character in the end.

The " Vader half damaged mask revealing Anakins face" has already been done, but the original had more of an impact.

There will be things in this that some fans will be cheering over, but they felt more shoehorned in.

And what was with the excessive grain in certain shots? It would just from minimal to 11 during the same sequence.

But this was the best out of all of the episodes, which isn’t saying much due to how bad the other 5 were. The series was a missed opportunity.

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I really thought I’d see more of the droids walking up behind Bail and his wife.

I guess they did that so when he sees R2-D2 in Episode IV, he really doesn’t recognize him anymore because the last time he seen him was in ROTS.

It’s a good thing they didn’t show up when Kenobi arrived.

I really loved this episode, I know it’s not what some fans wanted, but I enjoyed it. Maybe they might give in and give the other fans what they want.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

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What is it with half the development happening off-screen?

Reva somehow survives and she is suddenly on Tatooine. She inquires about Owen and the scene cuts. Next thing we see the merchant is warning Owen about her.

The Empire doesn’t resume their pursuit and Roken’s ship makes it to safety. Why don’t we see it but apparently that’s what happens.

Reva is left broken and wounded among the dunes. What happens with her? I guess we find out in Season 2.

Vader makes it out of the planet (simply because Kenobi didn’t finish him off AGAIN) and gets his suit fixed off-screen.

Ben is about to get what could be a meaningful scene with young Luke, but nope, we cut away.

Oh and Qui-Gon finally shows up! Will he share some great wisdom with Ben and the audience? Nope, the show ends.

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I have a feeling that Reva will show up in the Mandalorian eventually, or another spin-off show. Maybe she saves Grogu, who knows.

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The show was off to a rough start, but I think they turned it around during episode 4 and really managed to stick the landing with the last two episodes. Haven’t actually watched any of the first three episodes in full, but I will do on a rewatch. It’s a nice show overall and works as a glue between the two trilogies. The last two episodes in particular gave me that OT Star Wars feeling in a way that no other thing since has ever managed to do.

The storytelling, production quality and soundtrack was on point for the most part during the later half. While I would have preferred the duels to be more toned-down and less like a cartoon-show, they still were engaging from a storytelling perspective. However, the post-production shaky-cam, cheap vfx and small-scale feeling of certain set designs still prevents this show from feeling properly cinematic. It’s just unfathomable why some shots look the way they do when the show supposedly had a budget of $25M per episode.

What the show lacked in technicalities, it made it up with storytelling. I really like what they did to Reva. But I thought the revelation of her past came too late and we didn’t really need the whole other characters outside the bald dude (I’m not familiar with the lore of the cartoon shows). The whole inquisitor thing muddled the first episodes and made it feel too meandering. Some of the dialogue was just plain bad. But when they revealed Reva’s past, I really liked her and it really ties in well with the overall theme of the show.

Vader was treated really well here. I like how he still struggles with his rage and comes off as immature, full of raw emotion despite wearing his suit. He’s not yet the cold, calculated killing machine from the OT and still yearns for Obi-Wan’s warmth despite what he says to his face. They really added another dimension to their relationship in the final episode and Vader’s arc in this show feels more engaging than his redemption in the OT.

I also really liked what they did with Obi-Wan and how they managed to regain his faith in the force. The way they tied in his guilt about Vader with the slaughter of the younglings in order to connect it with Reva’s character was really great. Better yet was the resolution of that conflict by showing how each character acts when it comes to protecting the young and what it does to them psychologically. It really drove home the theme of the show without telling another Hero’s Journey. However, like with the production quality, it all felt a bit too little too late. They should have highlighted the terror of Vader actions and revealed Reva’s past right from the start.

There are many people currently working on editing the show into a single movie, but I don’t see how that will work now that it has finished. Each episode feels like its own thing. Whoever said the episodes are reflections of the movies was right. Maybe you can shave off a bit from the first three episodes. But the later episodes are good as they are.

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More moronic writing and lost potential. I give this episode a 4/10. The whole show, for me, was just massively disappointing. Turn off your brain all the way and you might find it to be entertaining…wobbly cam gets some people excited hah. “Good storytelling” ,from what I could notice, only came from some other SW story property that this show blatantly ripped off.

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I honestly was blown away by the finale, primarily the Obi-Wan and Vader parts (Not to say the Reva and Lars part was terrible, of course, but that’s not really the focus of the series).

The duel honestly felt like such a wellmade emotional bookend to the PT era, with the reveal of Vader’s true face being both the breaking point for Obi-Wan (and honestly, thanks to Ewan’s acting, it hit me pretty hard too), while also being the start of how he learns to accept it, with the lie of Anakin perishing by Vader’s hands.

Honestly my only real point of, idk, is Reva’s motivations in the finale. Really feels like they wanted to kill her off, changed their mind, but couldn’t think of anything for her to really do, other than somehow make her good in the end. Which sucks because I honestly really liked her in the rest of the series, and feel her being killed by Vader would’ve been a great end to her story.

In general I’d say I really liked this series. There were a fair few slow moments near the start, but when it started to pick up, it really began to soar.

Honestly really interested in seeing the film edits people do of this one.

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Well, it was better than I expected. Plus finally some John Williams classics.

There’s just SO many problems that make this difficult to enjoy. For the first ten minutes I’m trying to just enjoy the show, but I can’t stop thinking “wait how did Reva get to Tatooine? I thought there were no other ships at that base. How did she even survive? How did she get there so fast when it seems like we picked up minutes after the last episode ended, with Vader’s Star Destroyer chasing Obi-Wan?” So many questions I have to put a lot of effort into ignoring.

I also don’t think they make it clear why exactly Reva wants to kill Luke. I guess it’s supposed to satisfy her need to get revenge on Vader… but at this point Vader doesn’t even know Luke exists. Was Reva going to call up Vader afterwards and be like “hey I’m still alive, also you had a son, but I killed him”? Or did she just want to kill Luke because she was afraid he would grow up to become another Vader? The latter would be a more interesting motivation, but it’s never made clear.

Also isn’t Obi Wan a bit concerned that Reva knows about Luke? I feel like Reva’s whole plot-line is just left hanging with no closure.

Whatever. This wasn’t that bad, just a lot of wasted potential. The only time I really felt something was when Obi Wan apologized to Anakin. But, unfortunately their interaction wasn’t as interesting as I hoped it would be. Since we know they both survive, an extended action-packed lightsaber duel isn’t really the best use of screen time. (They already went overboard with the duel in Revenge of the Sith.) I would have preferred a more dialogue-centered, psychological encounter.

Overall, I still feel like this series hasn’t justified its existence.

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CarboniteSolo said:

I have a feeling that Reva will show up in the Mandalorian eventually, or another spin-off show. Maybe she saves Grogu, who knows.

I have noticed SW shows have always been staging another show to come (Marvel way) so I guess you’re gonna be right on this one.

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There’s so much logistical hand-waving about how characters get from Point A to Point B in this show. How did Reva get to Tatooine? And then how did she get to the Lars homestead? Did she WALK there? We never see her with a vehicle. How does Obi Wan evade the Star Destroyer in orbit after he defeats Vader? etc. etc.

I guess some of this is nitpicking, but it adds up. I never felt like there was such constant logistical hand-waving in the OT or PT.

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As far as wig quality goes for the finale, Qui-Gon’s looks kinda rough. Did the Lucasfilm Archives just pull out the old TPM piece without washing or brushing it?

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adywan said:
The " Vader half damaged mask revealing Anakins face" has already been done, but the original had more of an impact.

It’s like poetry. Obi-Wan cut off the left side, Ahsoka cut off the right side, and Luke removed the whole thing.

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adywan said:
Sadly they strengthened the bond between Ben & Leia which makes her reaction to his death in ANH even more cold.

This could be a decent explanation for why she doesn’t react the way you think, especially after witnessing Alderaan’s destruction, which had only just happened before Obi-Wan sacrificed himself. She’s just a little better at coping than Luke is.

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-annual-2-reveals-how-princess-leia-copes-with-spoiler/

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Channel72 said:

There’s so much logistical hand-waving about how characters get from Point A to Point B in this show. How did Reva get to Tatooine?

Easy. She flew there.

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Bridger12 said:

Channel72 said:

There’s so much logistical hand-waving about how characters get from Point A to Point B in this show. How did Reva get to Tatooine?

Easy. She flew there.

But how? With what transport? And how so lightening fast while Vader JUST left her to pursue Kenobi and gang? You could have argued that opening scene of her asking for Owen could have happened weeks or months after her being nearly stabbed to death and needing to recuperate.

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How come is she still alive btw ? I haven’t watched yet the finale but I truly wonder how it is possible to shoot a scene of Vader calmly stabbing her and leaving the scene quietly to just leave his prey alive. Is there something explaining that or just fans assuming stuff? (Because it appears SW fans are less lazy than SW writers and try to make sense of everything)

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Fan_edit_fan said:

Bridger12 said:

Channel72 said:

There’s so much logistical hand-waving about how characters get from Point A to Point B in this show. How did Reva get to Tatooine?

Easy. She flew there.

But how? With what transport? And how so lightening fast while Vader JUST left her to pursue Kenobi and gang? You could have argued that opening scene of her asking for Owen could have happened weeks or months after her being nearly stabbed to death and needing to recuperate.

I initially thought it WAS like months or weeks later. But then we cut back to Vader pursuing Kenobi, which implies that only a few minutes/hours have passed since the ending of Episode 5. I was so confused - at one point I thought we were seeing two different time periods, e.g. the Kenobi scenes were like a flashback, while the Reva scenes were the present day. But no, they were clearly supposed to be concurrent, which means after Reva got stabbed in the stomach with a lightsaber, she somehow got up, found a ship (wasn’t it a plot point that there were no other ships?), exited the atmosphere without being detected by the nearby Stardestroyer, and then arrived on Tatooine and asked that guy about Owen, all in what must have been less than an hour.

Unless the transport carrying Kenobi and the others was being pursued for days/weeks? They didn’t have hyperdrive working, and they do arrive at a different planet or moon, so I guess it’s possible. The chronology is just so confusing.

MalaStrana#2 said:

How come is she still alive btw ? I haven’t watched yet the finale but I truly wonder how it is possible to shoot a scene of Vader calmly stabbing her and leaving the scene quietly to just leave his prey alive. Is there something explaining that or just fans assuming stuff? (Because it appears SW fans are less lazy than SW writers and try to make sense of everything)

No explanation is provided. She’s just somehow on Tatooine the next time we see her, after being impaled.

I mean, if I were impaled, and miraculously survived, I’d probably first try to get to a hospital with a bacta tank, and save my child-killing revenge plans for later… but that’s just me.

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Super excited about a fan edit for this show. There is a ton of good in the series, but also a ton of bad around the fringes that could/ should be trimmed away.

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revel911 said:

Super excited about a fan edit for this show. There is a ton of good in the series, but also a ton of bad around the fringes that could/ should be trimmed away.

My guess is that the good stuff could actually better work as a « Godfather part 2 » cut of the OT.
But I still can be surprised by the talented fan editors around here to cook up a good movie length cut of the show.

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