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MalaStrana#2 said:

timdiggerm said:

  • With 3 episodes left, it’s very unlikely this will be the last time Vader & Ben faceoff. The last time they meet in this show, Ben will have regained his old confidence & skill (probably due to a visit from Qui-Gon), and he will be the master in this duel.

Sounds probable yeah and given what we have seen so far in reflection of Yoda’s ROTS assignment it could add up.

I’d be more skeptical of the idea except that they’ve repeatedly had Ben pray to QG (Qui-Gon, natch), so they’re either building up to Neeson or… some random Jedi is going to help him reconnect with the Force despite his inability to connect with QG, because he just needs to realize that the power to connect with the Force is already inside him and he doesn’t need his old mentor to solve his problems for him. That’s also possible.

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haraldo23 said:

regularjoe said:

Saying that Star Wars is too centered on Tatooine is like asking why books about World War 1 and World War 2 keep talking about Germany.

Is it? It plays a big role in ANH and TPM, but it’s very arguable whether the movies were actually centered around Tatooine - at least TPM - cause Naboo and the space/Death Star settings mogged Tatooine in both of them. None of the other movies were centered around it. In fact, the best prequel (ROTS) and the best original (ESB) had the least to do with it, so maybe it’s time to take a hint.

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jedi_bendu said:

Random point: I love how Vader looks in this scene. I’m not sure why but it reminds me of how he was lit in A New Hope. Does anyone else see it?

Oh yeah. Angle kind of makes me think of this shot.

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Personally I thought Hayden nailed the way Prowse used to move this time around. Felt very Vader-y, much more than Rogue One. Pair that up with the new voice and damn, it really is him.

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Agreed. Honestly the only thing I didn’t like was the combat. I thought the way he moved in the Rogue One hallway scene felt more like Vader than his duel with Obi. Though the UNRELENTING shaky cam may have played a role in that.

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Omni said:

Personally I thought Hayden nailed the way Prowse used to move this time around. Felt very Vader-y, much more than Rogue One. Pair that up with the new voice and damn, it really is him.

Hate to tell you, but it’s BS about Hayden being Vader throughout Kenobi. There are three people in the suit on this show. Hayden only when unmasked, General acting scenes is Dmitrious Bistrevsky and for stunts and fight sequences it is Tom O’Connell

jedi_bendu said:

Random point: I love how Vader looks in this scene. I’m not sure why but it reminds me of how he was lit in A New Hope. Does anyone else see it?

That really is a good example of how bad this show is shot. The lighting is horrendous. You have the damn stormtroopers in the background lit, yet the character that you are supposed to be focusing on is so flatly lit your eyes are drawn to the background instead of what you should be drawn to.

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RogueLeader said:

jedi_bendu said:

Random point: I love how Vader looks in this scene. I’m not sure why but it reminds me of how he was lit in A New Hope. Does anyone else see it?

Oh yeah. Angle kind of makes me think of this shot.

That was the one I had in mind too. It’s such different lighting but still the same vibe. I’ve noticed Vader looks very different depending on whether the mouth grill is cast in shadow or not.

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adywan said:

Omni said:

Personally I thought Hayden nailed the way Prowse used to move this time around. Felt very Vader-y, much more than Rogue One. Pair that up with the new voice and damn, it really is him.

Hate to tell you, but it’s BS about Hayden being Vader throughout Kenobi. There are three people in the suit on this show. Hayden only when unmasked, General acting scenes is Dmitrious Bistrevsky and for stunts and fight sequences it is Tom O’Connell

Dmitrious stated that he’s only Vader when they need full body shots to establish Vader’s height And O’Connell does the fights but that it’s all Hayden for any medium and close up shots for his performance.

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True, the framing is the really similar. But it didn’t click at first but I agree with Ady, the shot is poorly lit. And not in a “it’s meant to be poorly lit” way.

It’s funny because I’ve been seeing other comments around the internet also talking about how cheap or unprofessional looking this show is tending to be. Like the 180 break or the weird looking shots on Mustafar, things we’ve already mentioned here.

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It makes little sense because we know the director and cinematographer are both extremely skilled professionals. If anything most people were concerned about the writing as Joby Harold doesn’t seem to have done much outstanding work, but honestly it’s my favourite element of the show so far.

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RogueLeader said:

True, the framing is the really similar. But it didn’t click at first but I agree with Ady, the shot is poorly lit. And not in a “it’s meant to be poorly lit” way.

It’s funny because I’ve been seeing other comments around the internet also talking about how cheap or unprofessional looking this show is tending to be. Like the 180 break or the weird looking shots on Mustafar, things we’ve already mentioned here.

Yeah … for me it’s really showing. It’s so odd to me since IMO the Mandolorian was/is/has/etc has been this breakthrough show from Disney/Lucusfilm and they kinda been like “well, this was popular and generally well received … let’s water down everything else.” I don’t get it.

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Yeah, the actual dialogue isn’t necessarily bad (though it definitely could’ve been trimmed here and there), it is mostly the actors performances or blocking, things under the director’s control, that makes the entire production feel a little more amateur.

And you’re right about the Mandalorian. I went back and watched a clip from Season 2 and immediately noticed how the blocking looked so much more artistic/professional in comparison to what we’ve generally seen in Kenobi. Hell, I think the best example is comparing the Mandalorian episode we got in the Book of Boba Fett to the rest of the show. It felt like that one episode had the same budget as the entire season of BOBF. But again, I don’t know if it is just because Favreau/Howard/Filoni and their crew have a better understanding of the Volume than the other creatives have. Might be worth going back and watching Chow’s Mando episodes to compare it with Kenobi. I recall her episodes being really solid, which is just leading me to believe they are just being forced to work with less money.

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One theory I’m guessing is that since Mando was one of Disney+‘s first big shows (and the first live-action Star Wars show), it was crucial that it would be a big hit. I think they are generally maintaining that budget because how big of a hit it was, and because of Favreau. But now Disney+ is throwing money around everywhere to produce constant content for their platform, now they have less money to divvy out to all of their projects.

I read somewhere that new man in charge at Disney is also known to be pretty stingy where as Iger would throw money at projects, so maybe that’s a factor. But I have not done any research on that so that might not be true at all.

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I read somewhere that new man in charge at Disney is also known to be pretty stingy where as Iger would throw money at projects, so maybe that’s a factor. But I have not done any research on that so that might not be true at all.

Yeah, I’ve heard that, too. The new CEO, Bob Chapek, has a reputation for being an aggressive cost cutter.

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RogueLeader said:

Agreed. Honestly the only thing I didn’t like was the combat. I thought the way he moved in the Rogue One hallway scene felt more like Vader than his duel with Obi. Though the UNRELENTING shaky cam may have played a role in that.

Agreed, but I don’t think that was Hayden?

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Omni said:

Personally I thought Hayden nailed the way Prowse used to move this time around. Felt very Vader-y, much more than Rogue One. Pair that up with the new voice and damn, it really is him.

Hate to tell you, but it’s BS about Hayden being Vader throughout Kenobi. There are three people in the suit on this show. Hayden only when unmasked, General acting scenes is Dmitrious Bistrevsky and for stunts and fight sequences it is Tom O’Connell

I know it’s not just him but I’m pretty sure it’s him like at least 90% of the time.

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RogueLeader said:

Yeah, the actual dialogue isn’t necessarily bad (though it definitely could’ve been trimmed here and there), it is mostly the actors performances or blocking, things under the director’s control, that makes the entire production feel a little more amateur.

And you’re right about the Mandalorian. I went back and watched a clip from Season 2 and immediately noticed how the blocking looked so much more artistic/professional in comparison to what we’ve generally seen in Kenobi. Hell, I think the best example is comparing the Mandalorian episode we got in the Book of Boba Fett to the rest of the show. It felt like that one episode had the same budget as the entire season of BOBF. But again, I don’t know if it is just because Favreau/Howard/Filoni and their crew have a better understanding of the Volume than the other creatives have. Might be worth going back and watching Chow’s Mando episodes to compare it with Kenobi. I recall her episodes being really solid, which is just leading me to believe they are just being forced to work with less money.

This is pretty much how I feel. I am enjoying the series, but there are some standout issues too preventing me from enjoying it more. I do hope we may see improvements on this as the series progresses. In the third episode, up to Vader and Kenobi at the Quarry, I thought it was pretty solid, probably the best one so far. But then it petered out and the previous issues in some of the scenes in the previous two episodes appeared again.

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RogueLeader said:

And you’re right about the Mandalorian. I went back and watched a clip from Season 2 and immediately noticed how the blocking looked so much more artistic/professional in comparison to what we’ve generally seen in Kenobi. (…) I don’t know if it is just because Favreau/Howard/Filoni and their crew have a better understanding of the Volume than the other creatives have.

This was what I was warning about when people specifically kept repeating they had more faith in Chow vs Favreau/Filoni based on their previous work, maybe you may personally like one over the other but Favreau was the one to introduce the concept of the Volume to Kathleen Kennedy in the first place, Chow was walking into the sandbox they built, the outcome really makes plenty sense.

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Obi-Wan knowing Anakin took the name Vader doesn’t mean he knew that Vader survived past their fight in episode 3 though, right? The fair assumption would be that the guy you left chopped up and on fire did in fact die from those injuries. Isn’t that the surprising information, and not that Anakin changed his name? I haven’t seen it, but that’s the impression I got.

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Exactly. This claim is just a bad attempt to slander the creatives behind this show. In episode 2 Obi-wan hears the name “Lord Vader” and visibly reacts to it. What he didn’t know was that Vader was still alive.

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This show is… okay, I guess. It has moments of greatness (Vader scene, obviously), but it’s just weirdly bland in so many ways. The production is weirdly amateurish compared to Mandalorian: my theory is Disney got lazy with Obi-Wan because they figure they don’t need to try so hard when the plot is literally just what millions of 10-year old Star Wars fans have been acting out on playgrounds since 1977.

But the writing and plot so far is also kind of just… bland. Like, there’s nothing that really departs from the obvious basic plot synopsis required: Obi Wan is on Tatooine looking after Luke, some stuff happens, he’s nearly caught by the Empire, runs into Vader, survives, etc.

There’s no creative spark. How about something more than the most obvious plot-line required of a post-Clone Wars Obi Wan show? The only place I’ve seen real creativity from Star Wars lately is with Visions. I feel like your average random Star Wars fan could vomit out a more creative plot in a YouTube comments section. Here’s an idea from me, a random guy on the Internet: Obi Wan is laying low on Tatooine, but then something like the plot of Seven Samurai (a Lucas inspiration) happens. Some local warlords/bandits attack a moisture farming community. One of the farmers tries to recruit some “Ronin”, and asks Obi Wan for help. At first he refuses but comes around after realizing the Galaxy needs the Jedi again, blah blah, etc, you get the gist. That could be the whole show - you don’t even need Vader (and a Vader-less show is probably better for the overall consistency of the saga).

If you absolutely HAVE to have Vader because Disney execs insist, then maybe Obi Wan’s involvement in the Seven Samurai escapade alerts some local Imperials. Obi-Wan realizes his cover is in danger and has to temporarily flee Tatooine. But if Vader is involved, he should be way more mysterious. Plant some seeds early on by mentioning rumors of a mysterious “Jedi killer” working for the Emperor - nobody is sure what “it” is: a new Sith apprentice? Some kind of droid/Cyborg? Nobody really knows. When Obi-Wan finally encounters Vader, we can get a big emotional pay-off when he realizes it’s Anakin. (They did this better in Rebels with Ahsoka; in the actual Obi-Wan series Obi Wan is basically just told that Anakin is still alive by another character.)

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I’m very glad that the shortcomings of new Star Wars Disney+ series are helping fans realise how good Rebels is, lol.

(I say that but I do actually like the scene where he finds out Anakin is still alive. Ewan’s acting makes it great)

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Channel72 said:

This show is… okay, I guess. It has moments of greatness (Vader scene, obviously), but it’s just weirdly bland in so many ways. The production is weirdly amateurish compared to Mandalorian: my theory is Disney got lazy with Obi-Wan because they figure they don’t need to try so hard when the plot is literally just what millions of 10-year old Star Wars fans have been acting out on playgrounds since 1977.

But the writing and plot so far is also kind of just… bland. Like, there’s nothing that really departs from the obvious basic plot synopsis required: Obi Wan is on Tatooine looking after Luke, some stuff happens, he’s nearly caught by the Empire, runs into Vader, survives, etc.

There’s no creative spark. How about something more than the most obvious plot-line required of a post-Clone Wars Obi Wan show? The only place I’ve seen real creativity from Star Wars lately is with Visions. I feel like your average random Star Wars fan could vomit out a more creative plot in a YouTube comments section. Here’s an idea from me, a random guy on the Internet: Obi Wan is laying low on Tatooine, but then something like the plot of Seven Samurai (a Lucas inspiration) happens. Some local warlords/bandits attack a moisture farming community. One of the farmers tries to recruit some “Ronin”, and asks Obi Wan for help. At first he refuses but comes around after realizing the Galaxy needs the Jedi again, blah blah, etc, you get the gist. That could be the whole show - you don’t even need Vader (and a Vader-less show is probably better for the overall consistency of the saga).

If you absolutely HAVE to have Vader because Disney execs insist, then maybe Obi Wan’s involvement in the Seven Samurai escapade alerts some local Imperials. Obi-Wan realizes his cover is in danger and has to temporarily flee Tatooine. But if Vader is involved, he should be way more mysterious. Plant some seeds early on by mentioning rumors of a mysterious “Jedi killer” working for the Emperor - nobody is sure what “it” is: a new Sith apprentice? Some kind of droid/Cyborg? Nobody really knows. When Obi-Wan finally encounters Vader, we can get a big emotional pay-off when he realizes it’s Anakin. (They did this better in Rebels with Ahsoka; in the actual Obi-Wan series Obi Wan is basically just told that Anakin is still alive by another character.)

I’m with you but Seven Samurai is also pretty unoriginal for this kind of thing, it’s been done in every Filoni show so far. Sometimes the western and samurai movie references are so blatant that they’re obnoxious. It came full circle in Visions when one of the episodes was a retelling of Hidden Fortress, when that’s literally already what the original Star Wars was.

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henzINNIT said:

Obi-Wan knowing Anakin took the name Vader doesn’t mean he knew that Vader survived past their fight in episode 3 though, right? The fair assumption would be that the guy you left chopped up and on fire did in fact die from those injuries. Isn’t that the surprising information, and not that Anakin changed his name? I haven’t seen it, but that’s the impression I got.

If you had been set to write an Obi show and had gone back and refreshed yourself on the canon - scenes and dialogue made in both PT and OT - would you have written Obi as unaware?

jedi_bendu said:

Exactly. This claim is just a bad attempt to slander the creatives behind this show. In episode 2 Obi-wan hears the name “Lord Vader” and visibly reacts to it. What he didn’t know was that Vader was still alive.

Of course, as always - the fans are to blame. Instead of pointing out a blatant result of incompetency, we should all rally around the writers and help them out with our fan theory gymnastics. Force forbid Disney actually do their own job well to begin with.

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I am still baffled that anyone thinks this show is poorly done. It is a hit with fans in general and the only reason it will never be as popular as The Mandalorian is that it doesn’t have Baby Yoda (possibly the single most popular character in all of Star Wars). But the production quality of all of them are top notch. I can’t see any issue with the set, costumes, acting, anything.