I think Star Trek III doesn't get enough love. It's a wonderful movie. I recently watched BionicBob's edit of the film, and the restructuring of the film makes a lot of sense. I was very pleased, as the film is now even more enjoyable for me.
Robot Chicken Star Wars was hit and miss. But on the whole, they were good.
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Robot Chicken Star Wars was hit and miss. But on the whole, they were good.
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Oh shit! Apologies Frink.
A friend of mine makes a very convincing argument that ST3 is anti-science and actually undermines ST2 in significant ways.
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That is my biggest problem with ST3, ST2 was fantastic and the ending was great. Bringing Spock back robs The Wrath of Khan of so much.
If you are going to kill off a major character, kill them off. If you bring them back it makes it into a cheap gag. How can you take it seriously? You have this big dramatic moment, followed by a Haha! We were only kidding around with you!
TWOK left the door open to Spock's return with that lovely shot of his torpedo/coffin (which they actually make now) on the Genesis planet. (IIRC, they added that shot very late in production.) Not to mention "Remember".
Kirk pays a pretty high price getting Spock back. His son, his ship, and without knowing the plot of TVH, his career. No cheap gag about it.
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Where were you in '77?
I liked the Robot Chicken SW episodes but haven't seen the show outside of that.
“Grow up. These are my Disney's movies, not yours.”
georgec said:
I liked the Robot Chicken SW episodes but haven't seen the show outside of that.
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SilverWook said:
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Wuzzle wozzle?
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georgec said:
Wuzzle wozzle?
That's what passes for a post these days?
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STII: TWOK - Genesis Planet is born, Spock dies
STIII: TSFS - Spock is reborn, Genesis Planet dies
I wonder if the symmetry was done on purpose or merely was the result of pure chance.
There's also the question of whether or not Khan's spirit was somehow sealed or reincarnated within the Genesis Planet, thus contributing to its unstable nature.
doubleofive said:
A friend of mine makes a very convincing argument that ST3 is anti-science and actually undermines ST2 in significant ways.
Yeah, it definitely is unscientific in a number of ways (Excelsior slowing down when the engines fizzled, regenerated Spock aging in surges along with the unexplained protomatter, etc.), but that doesn't detract from the experience for me. Star Trek II is very unscientific as well: how does the Genesis device account for the gravity of an existing planetary body, or its proximity to its star (which would dramatically affect the viability and type of life that would exist)? How could the Reliant not realize that an entire planet (Ceti Alpha 6) was missing from the solar system, or confuse Ceti Alpha 5 with it? You'd think if Ceti Alpha 6 exploded, with would have pushed 5 closer to the star (which would justifiably account for a hotter environment). But then, that doesn't mean it assumed the orbit of the 6th planet in the system, which would be further from its sun. How could Carol Marcus not only pack an unrealistic Genesis device into a tiny package, but even drill out beautiful caves and tunnels in a day, faster than a corps of Starfleet engineers? Nebula dust is not so dust to be like flying through a fog--it only looks dense when you're viewing it from millions+ lightyears away. Plus they don't move like they have weather patterns or flash like strobe lights. Nebulae don't exist in solar systems because they are either unformed matter (while a solar system has indeed already formed, and the existing gravity would have pulled it into some other form), or are created from supernovae. Yeah, and silly me, I'm the kind of person that always thinks of these sorts of scientific problems. I could easily let them disrupt my enjoyment, but I don't. As for undermining ST2, I think SilverWook put it pretty well.
No disrespect to you or your friend. I just feel compelled to come to TSFS's defense! :)
I enjoy Search for Spock, but you have to admit its plot makes no damned sense, and the more I watch it, the less sense it makes. The main characters seem to do things only because they've apparently read the script and know what they're supposed to do. They have no way of knowing that Spock's body is alive on Genesis, yet Sarek is demanding they go back there and pick him up? Kirk talks about saving Spock's immortal soul... but they already have that! It's in McCoy. So what the hell were they planning to do with the body in the first place? They obviously couldn't have been planning the refusion ceremony as T'Lar tells Sarek it's something only out of legend and presumably is only being able to be done here because Spock's body is, through fantastic circumstances, alive. Which, again, is something they didn't know to even be possible when they set out to the Genesis planet. So, again, why did they need Spock's body? Because he is alive and could receive the katra... which they have no way of knowing. So what is it they were trying to do in the first place? I'm so confused!
Then, of course, there's the triumphant scene of Kirk going against orders, sacrificing his own career to go and get Spock... for nonsensical reasons... but it's still pretty cool to watch. Except for the fact that there was absolutely no need for him to do that either! "Gee, I need Spock's body... for some reason. But the commander told me that no one but the science team is allowed to go to Genesis. Hmm. It's that same science team my son and former cadet are on. Maybe I should just call them up and ask them to pick up Spock's body for me? Nah, fuck that. I'll just steal the Enterprise and jeopardize the careers of my fellow officers just because! Hopefully I'll arrive just in time to intervene in an interstellar crisis that I have no idea is about to occur!" It's like everything in this movie happens precisely to anticipate the next big thing that the characters should have no way of anticipating. They really were writing this script starting from the end and working their way to beginning, and it shows.
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You misunderstand, D_E, he says it's ANTI-Science, not unscientific. And I'm not saying I agree with im.
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STIII is unscientific, though. Of course, most of Star Trek is to one degree or another, and its not even the worst offender in the lot (TNG, I'm looking at YOU).
You act as if there was an episode where the crew de-evolved and Barclay turned into a spider.DuracellEnergizer said:
STIII is unscientific, though. Of course, most of Star Trek is to one degree or another, and its not even the worst offender in the lot (TNG, I'm looking at YOU).
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Lest we forget the Voyager episode where Janeway and Paris mutated into giant salamanders, and proceeded to do the nasty. I kid you not...
Where were you in '77?
They didn't mutate, they hyper-evolved. If they had only mutated, I'm not sure we'd still be talking about it.
The worst part for me is Warp 10 = infinity. You would occupy all points in space at the same time. There's no way they'd only be days away on a straight path TWICE.
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Gaffer Tape said:
its plot makes no damned sense
STORY makes no damn sense
PLOT makes no damn sense
STORY makes no damn sense
Haha, he has awesome hair. Like some steampunk 19th century politician.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
My mustache and hair cut is too damn fly!
Star Trek uses 'special science' as verified by Issac Asimov' film credit on TMP.
It's pro-Special Science and Anti-Normal Science.
The Special Science Advisory role fell into what they used to call a black hole back in 1979.
Hmm..Black hole?..Robot Chicken?... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqukTAWPoco