From what I've been told the colours of this print are intact. The caps above are from a lossy WMV file and may not be accurate colour wise. Also, the slight magenta is less apparent in the moving image. Anyways, that's why I'm resisting drawing comparisons until the scanning process is complete. It's too early to say.
As for Torsten Kaiser's rough colour correction, did he have an IB tech print in his possession to make the colour correction or just guessing?
I don't know.
But you can ask him yourself in the cinefacts forum. Maybe he can give you some hints to adjust the scan of the print to the right light source.
I just sent him a PM from cinefacts. I hope I hear back.
Is there any news?
I had a very informative discussion with Torsten Kaiser. He's a really nice guy with a great depth of knowledge and insight.
Some reels are in rough shape so it will take more time to repair and clean the print. Slow n steady...
Any updates ?
A quick and dirty dry scan of 5 of the 9 reels has been performed. The print is VERY dirty, missing some frames, has a lot of wear but the colours are excellent. It will undergo extensive cleaning and then wet scanned, which will significantly improve image quality.
Reel 1 has 11 seconds of extra footage of Stevens exchanging glances with AE and his son while AE is standing in the entrance way.
As shown in the screenshot below there is a Titanus logo prior to the opening credits. It is on Eastman stock, not IB, so it's been spliced in. So far the evidence shows this is an uncut 1st release print rather than a censored, re-release (by companies such as Titanus).
Below are some screenshots at Stevens' ranch. The extra footage comes immediately after the 2nd screenshot:
This print also includes 11 seconds of the "skeleton shot" AND the FULL Tuco torture scene! The same version that was lost due to negative damage and was only included as a MGM DVD/BD extra.
Quoting Poita who has been closely involved in the scanning process:
"These images are from a quickly compressed wmv file, so the colour is not particularly indicative of the scan. It will look different with the DNG files and corrected to the light source.
It will also look a lot different after a clean.
Speaking of which, the cleaning will take quite a while, there is severe sprocket damage in places, and if not repaired, then the film would easily tear itself apart.
This means that the cleaning has to be done initially very slowly and carefully by hand, and inspected closely so that any damaged areas, or areas of potential failure are repaired before it is run.
Like so many of our cinematic treasures, it has hasn't been looked after as well as it should have been, but thankfully it is in good hands now, (better hands than mine when it comes to film repair for sure) and will get the TLC it so rightly deserves."
"Sorry, Tuco" is also included in this print. This is the most complete version of this film.
What the hell? That's unexpected and goes against everything we have ever known about TGTBATU. So it is truely the most complete version ever. I wonder how the Sorry Tuco got removed from the Italian version.
Was it dubbed in by the same actor who dubbed in all of Clint's lines?
I don't think it's unexpected given the Italian elements used for the 2003 restoration gave us a clue that at some point it may have been included in the Italian cut since the original Italian mono track included this portion of the scene. The voices are of the original voice actors used for the original Italian mono track.
Instead, this IB tech explains some of the inconsistencies between the Italian and international cuts. Also, it strongly suggests that all Italian home releases (VHS, DVD, BD) are NOT representative of the original theatrical release in that country.
More rare than the print you just acquired, it's seeing a fellow Italian selling a thing like that! The guy must be really broke, usually this stuff never resurfaces from Italian collectors' basements
This is just mind blowingly AWESOME!!!!
thxita said:
More rare than the print you just acquired, it's seeing a fellow Italian selling a thing like that! The guy must be really broke, usually this stuff never resurfaces from Italian collectors' basements
I guess we got lucky. Apparently he's an elderly gentleman so maybe he's selling off his collection?
He have anything else of note
IB TECH of FAFDM.
I tried negotiating with him but failed miserably. He wants $1800. Probably the lowest he will go is $1600.
Any interest in this?
Hi man
A bit tight for the past months, but I can contribute if you wanna get this in the next 2/3 months.
I'd say up to 100 bucks.
That would be great. As you know, these projects take a LONG time so we will still be here plugging away and raising funds.
Has anyone compared shots from this to the BD
I've learned the shots above are NOT how the print actually looks because they are captures of the scan in raw format and have not been corrected for display on a computer screen. Without proper color space settings, the images above look desaturated.
Here are two explanations from the experts for what your seeing:
It'd be interesting to see what it looks like after a clean, have you got back any cleaned scenes yet or is that still a while off? And am I right to assume that the person (or people) who is scanning this for you will also colour correct it as part of the scanning process?
[ Scanning stuff since 2015 ]
It's going to be a while before I have some scenes suitable for sharing.
The scanner will perform the color correction to match the projected imaged of the print.
All good, I was just wondering about your earlier comment that compared to your print, Team -1's "looks like an archival print". Yours should have much better colour clarity than their "grindhoused version" if nothing else.
[ Scanning stuff since 2015 ]
The fact is the IB TECH is EXTREMELY dirty and has a lot of scratches, lines, etc. Despite all this. the colors are intact and vivid. The skies are blue not green like the skies and Blondie's teeth on the 4K BD (just before the desert scene when Tuco catches up with him at Shorty's execution).
Stay tuned.
Lil Brutto said:
Reel 1 has 11 seconds of extra footage of Stevens exchanging glances with AE and his son while AE is standing in the entrance way....This print also includes 11 seconds of the "skeleton shot" AND the FULL Tuco torture scene! The same version that was lost due to negative damage and was only included as a MGM DVD/BD extra.
Very very interesting. I have followed the discussion in the leone forum, too.
So, this print confirms the conclusions from the censorship documents.
You mentioned nine differences between the Italian and the International version in the leone forum. I own three German VHS and a TV capture from the 80s. They all have this nine differences.
Beside the TV Capture, they also all have a fixed version of the Tuco Torture Scene, which means that some parts of sentences of AE, Tuco and the soldier are repeated. That sounds crazy, but this patch works pretty well in German.
In later DVD and TV versions this repeated parts were redubbed by other voice actors. And this parts are identical to the missing ones from the Spanish version of the Torture Scene, as seen in the youtube video you have posted in the leone forum.
So, the German version maybe was censored the same way as the Spanish one.
By the way, in the "Kitty scene dubbed" thread of the leone forum, you asked about the original joke in the sentence: "I bet they don't call you Angel Eyes. Seargent Angel Eyes".
Well, Sentenza is not the name of Angel Eyes, it is just a nickname too. Sentenza means sentence in the sense of verdict or judgement in Italian.
Is there an intermission included on this glorious IB Tech Print?
Sentenza is the Italian equivalent of Angel Eyes in the English adaptation. Just to be clear