The Godfather Saga - HD Restoration (Released) — Page 10

Where did you find this? Hadn’t realised it was out yet. Would love to see it.

digitalfreaknyc said:

Since this one has a 5.1 track (restored!!), does anyone have the original PCM track from the laserdisc? I’d be interested in syncing it for the release.

The original mono synched to this would be amazing. Your AMC HD rip is in stereo, right?

digitalfreaknyc said:

There are some significant differences between the AMC version and this one so I’d like to go through and edit those together for the “bonus” part of the disc. Kay no longer lights candles at the end either.

Just curious, what major changes have you noticed? As far as I know the AMC & HBO edits are basically the same, save for some minor edits/changes. And I’m assuming both versions are taken from the same print.

In any event, any update on a 1080i version of the HBO broadcast? I’m a big fan of your AMC HD 1080i cap (it’s my go to Godfather), and thought that would be the best we’d have for a long while (and for a while it was), so this is a welcome surprise. Given that apparently Coppola is still resisting releasing this version on BD, the HBO broadcast is likely to the best we’re going to get for the foreseeable future, so it would be a a nice to see an upgrade from the 720p encodes floating around.

Nick66 said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Since this one has a 5.1 track (restored!!), does anyone have the original PCM track from the laserdisc? I’d be interested in syncing it for the release.

The original mono synched to this would be amazing. Your AMC HD rip is in stereo, right?

digitalfreaknyc said:

There are some significant differences between the AMC version and this one so I’d like to go through and edit those together for the “bonus” part of the disc. Kay no longer lights candles at the end either.

Just curious, what major changes have you noticed? As far as I know the AMC & HBO edits are basically the same, save for some minor edits/changes. And I’m assuming both versions are taken from the same print.

In any event, any update on a 1080i version of the HBO broadcast? I’m a big fan of your AMC HD 1080i cap (it’s my go to Godfather), and thought that would be the best we’d have for a long while (and for a while it was), so this is a welcome surprise. Given that apparently Coppola is still resisting releasing this version on BD, the HBO broadcast is likely to the best we’re going to get for the foreseeable future, so it would be a a nice to see an upgrade from the 720p encodes floating around.

There are MANY differences between this and the AMC version. Too many to list quickly.

So I finally captured this today and, well, the results weren’t good

Here’s the comparison between the 720p version that’s been released (14.5GB) and my 1080i from my Time Warner digital cable.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161575/picture:0

I tried using BOTH Hauppauge machines that I own but it doesn’t matter. It’s the source material going into the box. I even tried the HBOGo version and it still doesn’t have the detail that this 720p version does.

I would suggest that if ANYONE knows the people who originally captured this that they beg for a 1080i release. I have a feeling that, however they got it, they got it from an uncompressed HBO feed, which is why it’s so clear, even for a 720p version.

I’m bummed. Seriously.

Ouch. That’s not pretty.

Hopefully, whoever uploaded that 720p will put a higher bitrate 1080i out there; luckily, the 720p looks pretty damn good.

Thanks for all your efforts on this one.

Nick66 said:
Hopefully, whoever uploaded that 720p will put a higher bitrate 1080i out there; luckily, the 720p looks pretty damn good.

They said in there NFO that they are planning on uploading a 1080i version but it would take them a ‘while’.

stretch009 said:

Nick66 said:
Hopefully, whoever uploaded that 720p will put a higher bitrate 1080i out there; luckily, the 720p looks pretty damn good.

They said in there NFO that they are planning on uploading a 1080i version but it would take them a ‘while’.

This confuses me. Why would they need “a while” when they clearly sourced the 720p from it. Just upload the original file and it’s done.

digitalfreaknyc said:

stretch009 said:

Nick66 said:
Hopefully, whoever uploaded that 720p will put a higher bitrate 1080i out there; luckily, the 720p looks pretty damn good.

They said in there NFO that they are planning on uploading a 1080i version but it would take them a ‘while’.

This confuses me. Why would they need “a while” when they clearly sourced the 720p from it. Just upload the original file and it’s done.

“Date: 2016-01-18”
“1080i will come, checking to see if we can get a better
source…” (NFO)

stretch009 said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

stretch009 said:

Nick66 said:
Hopefully, whoever uploaded that 720p will put a higher bitrate 1080i out there; luckily, the 720p looks pretty damn good.

They said in there NFO that they are planning on uploading a 1080i version but it would take them a ‘while’.

This confuses me. Why would they need “a while” when they clearly sourced the 720p from it. Just upload the original file and it’s done.

“Date: 2016-01-18”
“1080i will come, checking to see if we can get a better
source…” (NFO)

I know. That’s what I said. Why would you check to get a better source when you’ve clearly sourced your 720p from a 1080i. All they did was downgrade it.

However, this may all be moot. I’m thinking of just re-editing the whole thing together. Think of it as the Harmy version of The Godfather Epic. Just splice the parts together from the official blu-ray that are from the original films and upscale the Epic-specific transitions and scenes.

I’m sure it would take me forever but it would yield better results than what I got, unfortunately. The funny thing is that it doesn’t look bad at all. It’s just that it looks worse than the 720p. If we didn’t have that comparison, I’d be fine with it.

I don’t know, the 720p looks so strong that I feel like recreating every transition and doing all of the editing over again just to use the blu-rays for the non-extra scenes would be pretty pointless. IMO. If a 1080i version doesn’t surface, I’m more than pleased with the 14.5GB 720p version. It is an unofficial version of the films, after all. If I had a choice of watching the 720p as-is or a version spliced together between the blu-rays (which look better than the 720p) and your 1080i rip (which looks worse than the 720p), then it’s six of one, half a dozen of the other. Add to that re-worked transitions that may or may not be as perfect and smooth as HBO’s, and I really don’t see the reason for doing all that. I’d probably wind up watching the 720p in the end anyway. At least the quality is consistent throughout.

Croweyes1121 said:

I don’t know, the 720p looks so strong that I feel like recreating every transition and doing all of the editing over again just to use the blu-rays for the non-extra scenes would be pretty pointless. IMO. If a 1080i version doesn’t surface, I’m more than pleased with the 14.5GB 720p version. It is an unofficial version of the films, after all. If I had a choice of watching the 720p as-is or a version spliced together between the blu-rays (which look better than the 720p) and your 1080i rip (which looks worse than the 720p), then it’s six of one, half a dozen of the other. Add to that re-worked transitions that may or may not be as perfect and smooth as HBO’s, and I really don’t see the reason for doing all that. I’d probably wind up watching the 720p in the end anyway. At least the quality is consistent throughout.

No. I’d use the HBO version for transitions. Everything that’s NOT in the BD’s, would be the HBO. So 90% would be the BD’s with the 10% being the 720p.
I wouldn’t use mine for anything

So what, would you upscale the HBO footage to 1080p? Wouldn’t that marginally reduce quality?

You’d also have to re-encode the blu footage to hardcode subs…which I’d assume is exactly what HBO did to begin with…

Croweyes1121 said:

So what, would you upscale the HBO footage to 1080p? Wouldn’t that marginally reduce quality?

How would upscaling reduce quality? Does it for Harmy?

He’ll have to. The HBO footage is already hard-coded. The only option would be to paint them out frame-by-frame in favor of separate subs. Which, again, would diminish quality and be more trouble than it was worth.

Yes. If you’re re-encoding, you’re reducing quality, period. It’s like up sampling an audio file to a higher bitrate. You don’t gain anything. You actually LOSE a slight bit by altering it in the first place. I can make a 192kbps MP3 into a 320kbps MP3, but I’m still creating a copy of a copy, and the upsampled file will actually lose quality compared to the original. Make sense?

Croweyes1121 said:

Yes. If you’re re-encoding, you’re reducing quality, period. It’s like up sampling an audio file to a higher bitrate. You don’t gain anything. You actually LOSE a slight bit by altering it in the first place. I can make a 192kbps MP3 into a 320kbps MP3, but I’m still creating a copy of a copy, and the upsampled file will actually lose quality compared to the original. Make sense?

I’m aware of that. However, I’m going to dare you to see a difference.

There is a very big difference between going from 192 to 320.

However, as we’ve seen, there isn’t as big a difference between 720 and 1080. To be honest, had I not posted those screencaps, I doubt anyone would have had a problem with the 1080i version, had I posted it.

Hey, I’m not telling you how to spend your time, lol, if you want to replace the HBO theatrical footage with the blu-ray footage, hardcode that to match the extra scenes, and upscale the HBO shots to 1080p, be my guest. I was just pointing out that, in the end, I’m not quite sure what it is that’s going to be gained through doing all that. Maybe it’ll look tons better and I’ll eat my words. :: shrug ::

I can’t believe that no one want to share 1080i with you, not even upload anywhere else, damn, it’s broadcast few times in whole USA. It was even available On Demand.

If this is true, then we don’t need to worry.
The Godfather Epic HBO
http://www.hbo.com/schedule?focusId=623569&productIds=392254
Television

Thursday, March 3, 11:00PM ET - HBO ZONE EAST
Friday, March 4, 2:00AM ET - HBO ZONE WEST
Sunday, March 20, 9:00PM ET - HBO SIGNATURE EAST
Monday, March 21, 12:00AM ET - HBO SIGNATURE WEST
Friday, March 25, 10:45PM ET - HBO ZONE EAST
Saturday, March 26, 1:45AM ET - HBO ZONE WEST

But still I can’t believe that no one want to share damn 1080i record over most famous Fans-World site. Shame, shame, shame.

Aren’t HBO Signature and HBO Zone SD-only? I haven’t had HBO for years, did they ever introduce an HD feed for anything other than the main HBO channel?

Announce from first broadcast.

digitalfreaknyc said:

That’s not true at all. Thus far:
Sun, Jan 17, 5:00PM ETHBO EAST
Sun, Jan 17, 8:00PM ETHBO WEST
Sat, Jan 23, 9:00PM ETHBO SIGNATURE EAST
Sun, Jan 24, 12:00AM ETHBO SIGNATURE WEST
Fri, Jan 29, 9:00PM ETHBO ZONE EAST
Sat, Jan 30, 12:00AM ETHBO ZONE WEST
Wed, Feb 3, 5:00PM ETHBO2 EAST
Wed, Feb 3, 8:00PM ETHBO2 WEST

And it WILL be available on demand.

marin888 said:

I can’t believe that no one want to share 1080i with you, not even upload anywhere else, damn, it’s broadcast few times in whole USA. It was even available On Demand.

If this is true, then we don’t need to worry.
The Godfather Epic HBO
http://www.hbo.com/schedule?focusId=623569&productIds=392254
Television

Thursday, March 3, 11:00PM ET - HBO ZONE EAST
Friday, March 4, 2:00AM ET - HBO ZONE WEST
Sunday, March 20, 9:00PM ET - HBO SIGNATURE EAST
Monday, March 21, 12:00AM ET - HBO SIGNATURE WEST
Friday, March 25, 10:45PM ET - HBO ZONE EAST
Saturday, March 26, 1:45AM ET - HBO ZONE WEST

But still I can’t believe that no one want to share damn 1080i record over most famous Fans-World site. Shame, shame, shame.

What are you blabbering about? Someone else can try to cap it in 1080i like I did but if their cable company re-encodes (like almost all do), it will look just like mine does

Croweyes1121 said:

Hey, I’m not telling you how to spend your time, lol, if you want to replace the HBO theatrical footage with the blu-ray footage, hardcode that to match the extra scenes, and upscale the HBO shots to 1080p, be my guest. I was just pointing out that, in the end, I’m not quite sure what it is that’s going to be gained through doing all that. Maybe it’ll look tons better and I’ll eat my words. :: shrug ::

If that’s the case, then why did you want it so badly in the first place?

You could easily see the difference by comparing screencaps of the 720p and the blu-ray

As I said, I could be wrong. I’m not saying it won’t look better. I’m just questioning how much better it will look after you re-encode it to hardcode subs and upscale the HBO footage. If a 1080i straight rip of the HBO version surfaced, I’d happily replace the 720p copy I have. But that would be a direct rip from the source. Again, yours may look incredible and prove me wrong…and I’ll be happy to be wrong if that’s the case. 😃