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I felt this score was much more percussive than melodic. Much more so than the previous films. That was the first thing that struck me when skimming through the soundtrack the day before I saw the movie (didn’t want to hear too much, but couldn’t help myself). I don’t mean that there were more drums (although there were, I think), but that the other instruments also focused more on staccato rhythm.

Compare something like the asteroid chase in ESB to the Falcon chase in this and you can definitely hear the difference in approach. That’s probably why a lot of people thought it was less than stellar. Personally speaking, I also thought it was a bit of a let down, but I didn’t care all that much. It wasn’t an issue of the music being bad or uninspired, just that it’s hard to top the first two SW movies.

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Lord Haseo said:
JJ Abrams should really pull an Obi-Wan/Luke/Yoda and go into exile because he has utterly failed Star Wars. The end credit scene is crucial to the totality of the film and he failed to do that right…incompetent hack.

I thought it was a pretty good movie up until that point. Then it was all ruined.

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Hal 9000 said:

But seriously, I saw the film a third time this afternoon and finally feel ready to offer an informed opinion.
I really enjoyed it. The problems I had with it did not bother me upon repeat viewings. In this and other ways, it’s similar to Return of the Jedi. Both ape ANH somewhat, and I would have preferred them not to. But, TFA carries its flaws and holds up despite them, and its emotional beats resonated very well. Star Wars Episode VII is now a thing that exists, rather than a hypothetical full of infinite potential, and that reality bothered me a little at first. Seeing it for what it is, I think it’s a success.

Glad to see you enjoy it now Hal. I had a similar experience as you the first time, though not as extreme. It’s tough when you’ve anticipated it for so long, it’s literally impossible for it to live up to expectations (not just quality expectations, but content expectations, and sometimes this is for the better). Even though I kept telling this to myself going into it, it still nagged me a little while watching. I still loved the film the first time I saw it, but not even close to as much the other times I saw it.

It’s a funny thing when it’s an unseen film “full of infinite potential,” as you say. It can definitely be hard to reconcile when you finally see it. I remember when I first saw the film, and it gets to the scene with Lor San Tekka and Poe and it’s the first dialogue scene and I had this moment where I said to myself in my mind “oh my god, it’s just a movie isn’t it.” Before it exists it’s just a mystical unicorn. Part of the fun of Star Wars is the unknown, so, while finally figuring out what happens is obviously exciting, on some level it’s sad because that will never be a mystery anymore. But consciously we want to know everything. So the first time I saw it I had so many questions and consciously I was sort of like “come on, why didn’t they do this, why didn’t they do that,” but when I thought about it, what I wanted from Episode VII was too much for a single movie. Episode VII is the first of a trilogy and obviously there will be some mystery and obviously not everything will be explored in depth yet (I think part of the disconnect for me is that I saw the OT in one fell swoop rather than waited three years in between each). And that’s fine, and really it’s better this way.

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eiyosus said:

I felt this score was much more percussive than melodic. Much more so than the previous films. That was the first thing that struck me when skimming through the soundtrack the day before I saw the movie (didn’t want to hear too much, but couldn’t help myself). I don’t mean that there were more drums (although there were, I think), but that the other instruments also focused more on staccato rhythm.

Compare something like the asteroid chase in ESB to the Falcon chase in this and you can definitely hear the difference in approach. That’s probably why a lot of people thought it was less than stellar. Personally speaking, I also thought it was a bit of a let down, but I didn’t care all that much. It wasn’t an issue of the music being bad or uninspired, just that it’s hard to top the first two SW movies.

I do think on some of the action cues (particularly The Falcon) the music is more rhythmic than melodic. If I were to guess, this is just a sign of the times. Now that you can edit films on a computer, last minute nips and tucks are much more common, so Williams has composed music that can be more easily edited.

Most modern action scores are more rhythmic than melodic for this reason I think.

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Jumping in on the score discussion a bit late. I bought it early and listen to it several times a week. I agree with the bulk of the thoughts here. It’s less melodic that some of his other work and in some cases a bit less grand. I’m fine with that. I don’t need an Imperial March every time out - or the one that seems to come up constantly as his pièce de résistance - Duel Of The Fates *genuflect*. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lucas picked that name.

Far and away, the pieces that speak to me are Rey’s Theme, The Scavenger (where it’s first heard), and The Jedi Steps. I’d put those three pieces up against anything Williams has ever done as far as depth and emotion. The simple but deep Rey’s Theme reminds me of his score for Memoirs Of A Geisha, which I still think is his best work.

I also really like the brief call-backs to the OT scores. There are a few that are quite subtle, but they strike just the right emotional chord. They don’t hang on the moment or take it over. They’re just enough to hint at events long ago. There are a few in The Falcon. Most of them just a few seconds. Nicely done.

The rest of the score seems very much in line with his Indiana Jones work, to the point of sounding interchangeable. This fits right in with the thoughts of eiyosus and Dominic on it being a more percussive and rhythmic score. Aside from the three pieces I mentioned, the score is more geared to accompanying the action as opposed to long introspective shots. I prefer those types of shots, so it only makes sense that I prefer the music that gives them depth. As an indicator of my thoughts on the score, I only copied 11 of the pieces over to my car CD\iPod\work computer, etc.

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jedimasterobiwan said:

han is killled by his son ben aka kylo ren and luke is in at the end

An accurate review

There can only be three!

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Well given that TFA is better than ROTJ by a decent margin in my opinion I’d say the future seems bright. The sequels are set up in such a way that a number of things can transpire. In turn that makes me want to watch the next films and that’s something ANH fails at.

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Your opinion indeed, ROTJ is the end of saga so will never be bettered by any sequel. Star Wars started with anh and finished with jedi. Anything after that is just am expercise in mass commercialism, consumerism and capitalism. The myth has gone, the magic vanished, the force… Tainted.

There can only be three!

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Down with capitalism! Star Wars belongs to THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE is wise and speaks to us through Bosk the poet’s posts. Hear: anything beyond the film with teddy bears and Jabba’s palace freakshow is only an exercise in consumerism and merchandising.

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Bosk said:

Your opinion indeed, ROTJ is the end of saga so will never be bettered by any sequel. Star Wars started with anh and finished with jedi. Anything after that is just am exercise in mass commercialism, consumerism and capitalism. The myth has gone, the magic vanished, the force… Tainted.

Even when I was a kid I was never content with ROTJ’s ending. I want more. Hopefully the ST will have a more grandiose ending to the Saga. While ROTJ’s ending was great when the OT only existed now that Star Wars is a Saga the impact has dissipated.

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Lord Haseo said:

Even when I was a kid I was never content with ROTJ’s ending. I want more. Hopefully the ST will have a more grandiose ending to the Saga. While ROTJ’s ending was great when the OT only existed now that Star Wars is a Saga the impact has dissipated.

To me ROTJ is disappointing even as an ending to the trilogy. I don’t really care about saga, but still ROTJ just resolves all the brilliant plot-lines established by the previous two films in the laziest way possible. When ESB was being made, four to seven more sequels were planned. This plan was cut short and the ultimate victory of the rebels was rushed like crazy. When DS1 was destroyed, it was a setback for the Empire, but still they remained strong. Then when DS2 is destroyed (granted, along with the emperor and a bunch of Star Destroyers), the Empire is pretty much finished? How come? The trilogy just seems to end mid-air.

Having said that, when I was a kid, ROTJ was my favourite. 😃

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It’s a sad thing when you can’t get anyone to go and see a Star Wars film in IMAX with you.
I’m thinking of dressing my bed linen in my spare clothes and drawing a face on my pillow just to create the impression of having someone willing to sit next to me. I shall call him Peter… Peter Cushion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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I cannot tell if that’s a joke in pure form with a Peter Cushion pun, or some truth mixed with some humor.

The Hope Awakens

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In that pillow case, I feel saddened that you’re unable to buddy up with someone 😦

The Hope Awakens

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Bingowings said:

Really can’t find anyone wanting to go with me. I was joking about the bed linen… (if they were recently washed and wet, wet, wet I could pass it off as Marti Pillow)

I’ll go with you!

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Bosk said:

Your opinion indeed, ROTJ is the end of saga so will never be bettered by any sequel. Star Wars started with anh and finished with jedi. Anything after that is just am expercise in mass commercialism, consumerism and capitalism. The myth has gone, the magic vanished, the force… Tainted.

The grandiosity … overwhelms me.

To my side, faithful companions! Brace this frail flesh as it succumbs to the immovable logic of Bosk, avatar of fleet-footed Mercury himself!

Arrivederci.

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lpd said:

Bingowings said:

Glasgow or Edinburgh?

Oh shit, too far for me to go, Liverpool?

Thanks for the offer but if I were to drop everything and travel to Liverpool to see a film (which I have already seen albeit in a different format) with a friend I have yet to meet. I would be very out of pocket and probably diced and deep fried by him indoors 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Dp2OfIT_M

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Bingowings said:

lpd said:

Bingowings said:

Glasgow or Edinburgh?

Oh shit, too far for me to go, Liverpool?

Thanks for the offer but if I were to drop everything and travel to Liverpool to see a film (which I have already seen albeit in a different format) with a friend I have yet to meet. I would be very out of pocket and probably diced and deep fried by him indoors 😄

Ah well, you cant say I never offered. I wanted to see it in the Imax the first week but for me an the family we were looking at shelling out nearly £80!
Saying that I’ve nearly paid out that much with subsequent viewings.
On a side note I read somewhere that the Sheffield Imax has an actual 70mm print ie: not digital. Anyone seen it?

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The IMAX showing was my favorite…The shot of Kylo Ren stepping out of his ship on Jakku alone warrants a viewing.

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