The lighting-pacing-music combination that gives Star Wars its identity isn’t there.
The lighting-pacing-music of “Star Wars” was over thirty years ago.
So was the plot of TFA, but that doesn’t seem to bother a lot of people.
MTFBWY…A
Fair enough. And I’m not qualified to speak on music, I barely notice it. But complaints about “lighting” are silly IMO.
I’d rather Snoke be a giant midichlorian than he be Plagueis.
Quote of the week right here. I literally LOL’ed.
War does not make one great.
But complaints about “lighting” are silly IMO.
Short of going back in time and shooting the movie in the late 70s, TFA was never going to sit perfectly alongside the OT visually. But it did a pretty good job in my opinion of looking like the modern blockbuster that it is while also fitting into the Stat Wars universe.
War does not make one great.
darklordoftech said:
I love that Luke wears a gold and white version of his ROTJ robes.
Gold and white? What movie did you watch? They were clearly black and blue.
Personally the overall feel of the film was a net positive in my opinion…that is to say the scenery and settings were fine…I simply did not care for the plot. I am amazed at how much more I now respect the PT for its inventive plot effort when faced with this alternative…I truly hope we have not so fully punished innovation so as to ensure we receive only regurgitated stories previously deemed safe from here onward…and yes, I am fully aware of the irony of my position–in critiquing this film for lack of originality in the baseline while noting the fact that equal criticism may have led to such entrenching in the first place…<sigh>
For this reason I was quite hopeful that many more would enjoy this film than would despise it. So far I have been pleasantly surprised with the positive reviews…now if only I might be made so satisfied…
I was once…but now I’m not… Further: zyzzogeton
“It wasn’t the flood that destroyed the pantry…”
I just realized that the Force Awakens essentially “retconned” (does that mean written out of canon?) the PT. The PT made clear that Vader was destined to destroy the Sith based on some ancient prophecy, and I’m assuming that Kylo Ren and that fish guy in the hologram are Sith - or at least the equivalent. So basically all that nonsense about the space prophecy and Vader being the savior of the universe was irrelevant.
The Nightsisters in TCW aren’t Sith and neither is Kylo Ren and his master. Abrams mentioned that Kylo Ren isn’t a Sith. Therefore, the prophecy is irrelevant to TFA. It never said “destroy the dark side.”
If Snoke is Plagueis
I’d rather Snoke be a giant midichlorian than he be Plagueis.
May I ask why? If Snoke is Plagueis that means that the Greatest Sith Lord in Galactic History was merely a pawn in what could be a much more labyrinthine scheme. I like it.
TFA feels extremely disconnected from the OT and doesn’t feel like it takes place in the Star Wars
universe.
Maybe because it’s been 30 years. No matter how the film could have been made someone wouldn’t be satisfied and would say that.
Post Praetorian said:
now if only I might be made so satisfied…
Hopefully VIII and IX’ll do it for you.
darklordoftech said:
I love that Luke wears a gold and white version of his ROTJ robes.Gold and white? What movie did you watch? They were clearly black and blue.
Before anyone says anything…
I LOL’d.
Lord Haseo said:
May I ask why? If Snoke is Plagueis that means that the Greatest Sith Lord in Galactic History was merely a pawn in what could be a much more labyrinthine scheme. I like it.
I would hate it because it means Vader’s great sacrifice at the end of RotJ is meaningless. The Emperor should be the ONLY puppeteer at the time. Vader killing him sounds less impressive now if the Emperor was yet ANOTHER pawn.
I’m not sure what the best way for this Snoke guy to be dealt with story wise, but I’d rather him be simply a Sith that studied the rise and fall of the Empire. Maybe he looked up to the Emperor but saw where the Emperor was flawed, so in comes Snoke with a bigger ego that he can do better. Him being the master of the Emperor and pulling even more strings… blah.
The Rise of Failures
I just realized that the Force Awakens essentially “retconned” (does that mean written out of canon?) the PT. The PT made clear that Vader was destined to destroy the Sith based on some ancient prophecy, and I’m assuming that Kylo Ren and that fish guy in the hologram are Sith - or at least the equivalent. So basically all that nonsense about the space prophecy and Vader being the savior of the universe was irrelevant.
The Nightsisters in TCW aren’t Sith and neither is Kylo Ren and his master. Abrams mentioned that Kylo Ren isn’t a Sith. Therefore, the prophecy is irrelevant to TFA. It never said “destroy the dark side.”
If Snoke is Plagueis
I’d rather Snoke be a giant midichlorian than he be Plagueis.
May I ask why? If Snoke is Plagueis that means that the Greatest Sith Lord in Galactic History was merely a pawn in what could be a much more labyrinthine scheme. I like it.
Can everybody please stop saying ‘Midichlorians’ please?
War does not make one great.
Can everybody please stop saying ‘Midichlorians’ please?
When I stop hearing about Plagueis, I’ll stop talking about m***********s.
I just realized that the Force Awakens essentially “retconned” (does that mean written out of canon?) the PT. The PT made clear that Vader was destined to destroy the Sith based on some ancient prophecy, and I’m assuming that Kylo Ren and that fish guy in the hologram are Sith - or at least the equivalent. So basically all that nonsense about the space prophecy and Vader being the savior of the universe was irrelevant.
The Nightsisters in TCW aren’t Sith and neither is Kylo Ren and his master. Abrams mentioned that Kylo Ren isn’t a Sith. Therefore, the prophecy is irrelevant to TFA. It never said “destroy the dark side.”
If Snoke is Plagueis
I’d rather Snoke be a giant midichlorian than he be Plagueis.
May I ask why? If Snoke is Plagueis that means that the Greatest Sith Lord in Galactic History was merely a pawn in what could be a much more labyrinthine scheme. I like it.
- Manipulating midichlorians isn’t that impressive. It doesn’t make Plagueis seem threatening.
In Luceno’s novel Plagueis willed someone to die through his midichlorian manipulation. He also experimented on Darth Venamis until he died and was resurrected multiple times, also it’s very possible he may be immortal due to his manipulation of midichlorians. As powerful as Sidious was he never conquered death. Palpatine’s telling of Plagueis’ legend and the force abilities showcased in the Luceno’s novel are on par so imagine what other abhorrent things Plagueis can do.
- If Snoke is Plagueis, he’s awfully lucky that Vader sacrificed himself and caught The Emperor by surprise at the same moment.
Yep. Star Wars is full of coincidences and plot conveniences. Not exactly classified information.
complaints about “lighting” are silly IMO.
Even if no one goes to the cinema and choses the movie based on its lighting; cinema is a visual art which has internal codes that make it a language; and therefore it can be evaluated according to those parameters. So it’s not a silly complaint. It’s just pointing out a detail for those who valorate the importance of details.
Do you think it was casual that the previous shot of Vader saying I’m your father was a contrapiccato, conveying more power, and that the one where he says it is weighted to the left making it unbalanced? That the final celebration in ANH was shot mainly using centered perspectives with bright spots eclipsing the vanishing points, evoking order? Do you think the sensation at the opening of ANH would have been the same had the gigant ship flew below the camera (casting no shadow) instead of over it?
No, it’s not casual.
Check the latest interview with GL, he can clarify that a lot (I don’t agree with him however over the matter that visual storytelling hasn’t developed over the last century; I just think he didn’t look to European experiences enough).
Well, obviously lighting is an integral part to the visual storytelling (and visual storytelling is really what Star Wars is all about) but complaints about the lighting are silly because the lighting in TFA is great.
Most of it, is.
This thread has become it’s own McGuffin.
😃
Can everybody please stop saying ‘Midichlorians’ please?
Would you prefer we talked about maxi-chlorians instead?
Midi, maxi, it’s all bollocks.
War does not make one great.
complaints about “lighting” are silly IMO.
Even if no one goes to the cinema and choses the movie based on its lighting; cinema is a visual art which has internal codes that make it a language; and therefore it can be evaluated according to those parameters. So it’s not a silly complaint. It’s just pointing out a detail for those who valorate the importance of details.
Do you think it was casual that the previous shot of Vader saying I’m your father was a contrapiccato, conveying more power, and that the one where he says it is weighted to the left making it unbalanced? That the final celebration in ANH was shot mainly using centered perspectives with bright spots eclipsing the vanishing points, evoking order? Do you think the sensation at the opening of ANH would have been the same had the gigant ship flew below the camera (casting no shadow) instead of over it?
Who needs film school when you can just hop onto /this site/ and learn everything you need to know about lighting, screenwriting and the rest.
War does not make one great.
Lol, well said.
Well, obviously lighting is an integral part to the visual storytelling (and visual storytelling is really what Star Wars is all about) but complaints about the lighting are silly because the lighting in TFA is great.
Exactly. And if you are complaining about lighting because it “isn’t Star Wars” I don’t find that reasonable. Hence my 30 years comment.
Darth Venamis
No. That can’t be real. Someone tell me that isn’t real.
But complaints about “lighting” are silly IMO.
Short of going back in time and shooting the movie in the late 70s, TFA was never going to sit perfectly alongside the OT visually.
If you take out garbage like the rathtars and Snoke, the look of the film was actually one of the very best parts.
TFA looked like a modern Star Wars movie to me.