The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS ** — Page 40

John Doom said:

When I say he’s “emo”, I’m joking, of course 😄
I agree he’s been fleshed out. But what’s his purpose in the movie? If he’s a villain, does he work as a villain?
Sure, Luke was a bit cocky in ANH, but his attitude didn’t affect his actions, and so his character: he’s a brave one, he does save the princess, he “does care”, we’re with him when he blows up the Death Star, he’s the hero.
Ren, on the other hand, as a villain, takes off his mask too early, and we get to know he’s just a boy. He’s constantly mocked by our heroes, he’s afraid, can’t take control of the situation and, finally, gets defeated. Is he a true villain, is he actually a threat to the heroes? 😄 If you ask me, no, and this affected the whole movie, especially its second part.

TV’s Frink said:

I should just disappear quietly. No one needs to hear from me.

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John Doom said:

When I say he’s “emo”, I’m joking, of course 😄
I agree he’s been fleshed out. But what’s his purpose in the movie? If he’s a villain, does he work as a villain?
Sure, Luke was a bit cocky in ANH, but his attitude didn’t affect his actions, and so his character: he’s a brave one, he does save the princess, he “does care”, we’re with him when he blows up the Death Star, he’s the hero.
Ren, on the other hand, as a villain, takes off his mask too early, and we get to know he’s just a boy. He’s constantly mocked by our heroes, he’s afraid, can’t take control of the situation and, finally, gets defeated. Is he a true villain, is he actually a threat to the heroes? 😄 If you ask me, no, and this affected the whole movie, especially its second part.

We’re not supposed to take Kylo Ren seriously because like Luke he has yet to finish his training. Once he does there’s no telling how stronger he will become. Also seeing as how he has fully given himself to the dark side the worrisome traits he has exhibited are going to be exponentially worse. I see Kylo Ren as an idea that has yet to be fully realized.

Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:

When I say he’s “emo”, I’m joking, of course 😄
I agree he’s been fleshed out. But what’s his purpose in the movie? If he’s a villain, does he work as a villain?
Sure, Luke was a bit cocky in ANH, but his attitude didn’t affect his actions, and so his character: he’s a brave one, he does save the princess, he “does care”, we’re with him when he blows up the Death Star, he’s the hero.
Ren, on the other hand, as a villain, takes off his mask too early, and we get to know he’s just a boy. He’s constantly mocked by our heroes, he’s afraid, can’t take control of the situation and, finally, gets defeated. Is he a true villain, is he actually a threat to the heroes? 😄 If you ask me, no, and this affected the whole movie, especially its second part.

We’re not supposed to take Kylo Ren seriously because like Luke he has yet to finish his training. Once he does there’s no telling how stronger he will become. Also seeing as how he has fully given himself to the dark side the worrisome traits he has exhibited are going to be exponentially worse. I see Kylo Ren as an idea that has yet to be fully realized.

Bearing in mind the next film will also be a kiddy film so Ren won’t be going that bad, not unless they rate it higher!

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

I should just disappear quietly. No one needs to hear from me.

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For someone who has been here less than a month, you sure seem to think you know how this place works.

Bosk said:

Bearing in mind the next film will also be a kiddy film

This is a “kiddy” statement.

Yoda Is Your Father said:

eiyosus said:

I really enjoyed reading this post. Very considered and well-balanced. Welcome to the forums.

FTR he’s been around for a long time. Just doesn’t post too often.

Bosk said:

Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:

When I say he’s “emo”, I’m joking, of course 😄
I agree he’s been fleshed out. But what’s his purpose in the movie? If he’s a villain, does he work as a villain?
Sure, Luke was a bit cocky in ANH, but his attitude didn’t affect his actions, and so his character: he’s a brave one, he does save the princess, he “does care”, we’re with him when he blows up the Death Star, he’s the hero.
Ren, on the other hand, as a villain, takes off his mask too early, and we get to know he’s just a boy. He’s constantly mocked by our heroes, he’s afraid, can’t take control of the situation and, finally, gets defeated. Is he a true villain, is he actually a threat to the heroes? 😄 If you ask me, no, and this affected the whole movie, especially its second part.

We’re not supposed to take Kylo Ren seriously because like Luke he has yet to finish his training. Once he does there’s no telling how stronger he will become. Also seeing as how he has fully given himself to the dark side the worrisome traits he has exhibited are going to be exponentially worse. I see Kylo Ren as an idea that has yet to be fully realized.

Bearing in mind the next film will also be a kiddy film

Where did you hear that fallacious garbage from?

Mithrandir said:

Mixed feelings for TFA. Like paying a visit to old elementary school classrooms, where you remembered things to be different than they actually are when you come back as an adult. There were more things I didn’t like, than the ones I liked; I think this film was a missed oportunity to actually having done something different. But in the end it’s star wars, and better this than nothing.

I find it funny how people will complain that the film didn’t do anything different, and then go on to complain about the things that JJ did that were actually different.

Lord Haseo said:

We’re not supposed to take Kylo Ren seriously because like Luke he has yet to finish his training. Once he does there’s no telling how stronger he will become. Also seeing as how he has fully given himself to the dark side the worrisome traits he has exhibited are going to be exponentially worse. I see Kylo Ren as an idea that has yet to be fully realized.

He got weaker in the dark side as the film went along though. That’s the problem some people have with this character. It would have been so easy to fix too. He should have just wasted Finn, then play-fought Rey, only allowing her to live because he’s attracted to her, or he wants to train her or something. Then she taps into the force and fights him off for just a moment, then deus-ex-machina, the ground opens up and she escapes. Kylo would still be a threatening obstacle heading into the next film, and his arc wouldn’t have blown up.

TV’s Frink said:

Mithrandir said:

Mixed feelings for TFA. Like paying a visit to old elementary school classrooms, where you remembered things to be different than they actually are when you come back as an adult. There were more things I didn’t like, than the ones I liked; I think this film was a missed oportunity to actually having done something different. But in the end it’s star wars, and better this than nothing.

I find it funny how people will complain that the film didn’t do anything different, and then go on to complain about the things that JJ did that were actually different.

This exactly summarizes my frustration with a sizable percentage of our fandom. If it isn’t that people are nitpicking about things that don’t pertain to the film in it’s totality.

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

I should just disappear quietly. No one needs to hear from me.

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For someone who has been here less than a month, you sure seem to think you know how this place works.

I don’t actually care.

Anchorhead said:

SilverWook said:
I think seller’s remorse is kicking in.

And not every space movie that came out in Star Wars’ wake was a bomb either.

Seller’s remorse for sure, coupled with the restored & non-Lucas direction being hugely popular, breaking records (and in record time), and a public who is now much more vocal about how terrible the prequels were. He’s also a megalomaniac who can no longer exercise his omnipotence. The casual and/or non-nerd fans of Star Wars are starting to see a side of him that we’ve known about for many years.

You’re also correct on his being off about space movies failing after Star Wars. Alien was an enormous success and launched a franchise. I’d also bet Star Wars had a great deal to do with the rebirth of the Star Trek franchise, for which his company handled the special effects by the way.

He’s really showing how petty we’ve always know him to be. I guess his next move will be a sequel to his middle finger to the fans t-shirt - “Han Shot First” …“I Shot A Star Wars Film First”.

People seem to forget lucas only directed ANH and the shitty prequels.

John Doom said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:
I find it funny how people will complain that the film didn’t do anything different, and then go on to complain about the things that JJ did that were actually different.

This exactly summarizes my frustration with a sizable percentage of our fandom. If it isn’t that people are nitpicking about things that don’t pertain to the film in it’s totality.

Alderaan said:
He got weaker in the dark side as the film went along though. That’s the problem some people have with this character. It would have been so easy to fix too. He should have just wasted Finn, then play-fought Rey, only allowing her to live because he’s attracted to her, or he wants to train her or something. Then she taps into the force and fights him off for just a moment, then deus-ex-machina, the ground opens up and she escapes. Kylo would still be a threatening obstacle heading into the next film, and his arc wouldn’t have blown up.

“Yes, yes! To Alderaan you listen. The Starkiller Base. Remember Ren’s failure at the Starkiller Base!”. Ren is a problem, not TFA not being enought like ANH.
As far as I know, every movie has its villain, even if it’s not an actual character (unless it’s a documentary, maybe 😄 ). I’m not against Ren not being like Vader, but that there’s barely any threat in TFA: it’s not about making TFA like ANH, it’s just that he’s a bad villain, consequence of a not-so-good writing, to me.

I don’t think you understand what the character of Kylo Ren is supposed to be . Kylo Ren is not supposed to be a good villain yet. He is a mentally unstable kid who masquerades as someone who has power like Vader but has yet to be fully trained.

Also not so good writing has nothing to do with it. The writer’s made him a would be Darksider because part of his arc will be him becoming exponentially stronger in the sequels.

Let’s be real, Lucas also directed ROTJ.

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

I should just disappear quietly. No one needs to hear from me.

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For someone who has been here less than a month, you sure seem to think you know how this place works.

I don’t actually care.