and Anakin’s turn is done in the most family-friendly way it could have been done.
Gonna have to disagree on this point only. A main character being dismembered, then fried and thrown out a window is pretty hardcore. Not to mention the implied slaughter of children.
Since I wasn’t around when TFA came out (and to possibly re-rail this thread a bit), I mostly enjoyed TFA, rehashes and all (and I say that as someone who’s very critical of ROTJ for its rehashiness).
It was a necessary palate cleanser after the dumpster fires of the prequels, introduced two protagonists I already have a lot of interest and investment in (Rey and Poe) and an antagonist that is compelling and frightening due to how unstable and unsure of himself he is (Kylo), and set the stage for something truly fresh and unique to come after.
It’s not perfect, of course. For one, I hate Starkiller Base and think the movie should have ended with Rey imprisoned on Kylo’s Star Destroyer, with the rescue attempt happening amid a battle between the New Republic fleet (which would have been decimated) and the First Order as they staged a surprise orbital bombardment of the New Republic capitol rather than on a snow planet that for some reason is a hyperspace Death Star. For two, the actual politics of the Resistance/Republic/First Order were woefully underestablished (or not established at all). For three, I thought Finn was poorly handled - a defecting stormtrooper shouldn’t be a bumbling comic relief character.
But overall? Better than any of the prequels, and better than ROTJ.
What you say are dumpster fires (ok episode 1 and 2 are bad lol) I enjoy more than this new family friendly disney mainstream film made entirely just for the box office
Are you implying the prequels and OT are indie art films? Lucas likes making money too!
Where were you in '77?
and Anakin’s turn is done in the most family-friendly way it could have been done.
Gonna have to disagree on this point only. A main character being dismembered, then fried and thrown out a window is pretty hardcore. Not to mention the implied slaughter of children.
You’re not wrong, but I was thinking more of the way the film explores the motivations for his turning than the turning scene itself. And even that gets pretty childish right after Mace goes out the Windu.
Since I wasn’t around when TFA came out (and to possibly re-rail this thread a bit), I mostly enjoyed TFA, rehashes and all (and I say that as someone who’s very critical of ROTJ for its rehashiness).
It was a necessary palate cleanser after the dumpster fires of the prequels, introduced two protagonists I already have a lot of interest and investment in (Rey and Poe) and an antagonist that is compelling and frightening due to how unstable and unsure of himself he is (Kylo), and set the stage for something truly fresh and unique to come after.
It’s not perfect, of course. For one, I hate Starkiller Base and think the movie should have ended with Rey imprisoned on Kylo’s Star Destroyer, with the rescue attempt happening amid a battle between the New Republic fleet (which would have been decimated) and the First Order as they staged a surprise orbital bombardment of the New Republic capitol rather than on a snow planet that for some reason is a hyperspace Death Star. For two, the actual politics of the Resistance/Republic/First Order were woefully underestablished (or not established at all). For three, I thought Finn was poorly handled - a defecting stormtrooper shouldn’t be a bumbling comic relief character.
But overall? Better than any of the prequels, and better than ROTJ.
What you say are dumpster fires (ok episode 1 and 2 are bad lol) I enjoy more than this new family friendly disney mainstream film made entirely just for the box office
Are you implying the prequels and OT are indie art films? Lucas likes making money too!
I’m sure Lucas thinks so.
I fail to understand how TFA (which features the death of a major classic character, the maiming of a new character, depictions of psychic torture, and the wholesale destruction of multiple inhabited planets) is more family friendly than TPM or AOTC. I might give you ROTS, but even that had incredibly childish humor throughout most of the first half, and Anakin’s turn is done in the most family-friendly way it could have been done. (Though the immolation scene and Order 66 are probably less family-friendly than anything in TFA.)
Not enjoying the movie is one thing (and I do understand and accept most of the criticisms of the film, I just wasn’t as bothered by them as most were), but I honestly don’t understand people who think Star Wars has become more Disney-fied since the sale. If anything, it’s gotten darker. Any “Disneyfication” present in TFA I’d chalk up to Abrams more than Disney itself.
The tone
Since I wasn’t around when TFA came out (and to possibly re-rail this thread a bit), I mostly enjoyed TFA, rehashes and all (and I say that as someone who’s very critical of ROTJ for its rehashiness).
It was a necessary palate cleanser after the dumpster fires of the prequels, introduced two protagonists I already have a lot of interest and investment in (Rey and Poe) and an antagonist that is compelling and frightening due to how unstable and unsure of himself he is (Kylo), and set the stage for something truly fresh and unique to come after.
It’s not perfect, of course. For one, I hate Starkiller Base and think the movie should have ended with Rey imprisoned on Kylo’s Star Destroyer, with the rescue attempt happening amid a battle between the New Republic fleet (which would have been decimated) and the First Order as they staged a surprise orbital bombardment of the New Republic capitol rather than on a snow planet that for some reason is a hyperspace Death Star. For two, the actual politics of the Resistance/Republic/First Order were woefully underestablished (or not established at all). For three, I thought Finn was poorly handled - a defecting stormtrooper shouldn’t be a bumbling comic relief character.
But overall? Better than any of the prequels, and better than ROTJ.
What you say are dumpster fires (ok episode 1 and 2 are bad lol) I enjoy more than this new family friendly disney mainstream film made entirely just for the box office
Are you implying the prequels and OT are indie art films? Lucas likes making money too!
Well technically he did make independent films (“art” is useless adjective as any non-documentary film is basically art film). How much money they make does not really change that.
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(“art” is useless adjective as any non-documentary film is basically art film).
Only if you’re using the term wrong.
Since I wasn’t around when TFA came out (and to possibly re-rail this thread a bit), I mostly enjoyed TFA, rehashes and all (and I say that as someone who’s very critical of ROTJ for its rehashiness).
It was a necessary palate cleanser after the dumpster fires of the prequels, introduced two protagonists I already have a lot of interest and investment in (Rey and Poe) and an antagonist that is compelling and frightening due to how unstable and unsure of himself he is (Kylo), and set the stage for something truly fresh and unique to come after.
It’s not perfect, of course. For one, I hate Starkiller Base and think the movie should have ended with Rey imprisoned on Kylo’s Star Destroyer, with the rescue attempt happening amid a battle between the New Republic fleet (which would have been decimated) and the First Order as they staged a surprise orbital bombardment of the New Republic capitol rather than on a snow planet that for some reason is a hyperspace Death Star. For two, the actual politics of the Resistance/Republic/First Order were woefully underestablished (or not established at all). For three, I thought Finn was poorly handled - a defecting stormtrooper shouldn’t be a bumbling comic relief character.
But overall? Better than any of the prequels, and better than ROTJ.
What you say are dumpster fires (ok episode 1 and 2 are bad lol) I enjoy more than this new family friendly disney mainstream film made entirely just for the box office
Are you implying the prequels and OT are indie art films? Lucas likes making money too!
And I’m sure that SW, ESB, and Jedi making money was just a lucky side effect of producing art.
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(“art” is useless adjective as any non-documentary film is basically art film).
Only if you’re using the term wrong.
I used the term correctly. Trying to use “art film” to describe exclusively non-mainstream films is stupid because the fact is that (non-documentary) mainstream films are art films too.
真実
Just because you think something is stupid doesn’t make it so. In fact, the overwhelming majority of evidence indicates the exact opposite.
All films are art but “art films” are a specific genre with specific general characteristics.
All films are art but “art films” are a specific genre with specific general characteristics.
That is like saying “Every car is a vehicle but the term “vehicle car” will from now on be used to describe only sports car”. It is simply stupid usage of term for what it is trying to define.
真実
All films are art but “art films” are a specific genre with specific general characteristics.
That is like saying “Every car is a vehicle but the term “vehicle car” will from now on be used to describe only sports car”. It is simply stupid usage of term for what it is trying to define.
You can say it’s stupid all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is how it is used. Go ask people on the street if they think Jurassic Park is an art film and see how many say yes.
All films are art but “art films” are a specific genre with specific general characteristics.
That is like saying “Every car is a vehicle but the term “vehicle car” will from now on be used to describe only sports car”. It is simply stupid usage of term for what it is trying to define.
You can say it’s stupid all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is how it is used. Go ask people on the street if they think Jurassic Park is an art film and see how many say yes.
Just because something stupid has been established it does not mean one should just accept it. If you went on the street 500 years ago and asked people if the Earth is flat they would probably tell you “yes, it is”. It would not make it any less stupid.
真実
All films are art but “art films” are a specific genre with specific general characteristics.
That is like saying “Every car is a vehicle but the term “vehicle car” will from now on be used to describe only sports car”. It is simply stupid usage of term for what it is trying to define.
You can say it’s stupid all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is how it is used. Go ask people on the street if they think Jurassic Park is an art film and see how many say yes.
Just because something stupid has been established it does not mean one should just accept it. If you went on the street 500 years ago and asked people if the Earth is flat they would probably tell you “yes, it is”. It would not make it any less stupid.
Lol what a dumb comparison.
As par the course for Imp’scum.
And people’ve known the Earth is round since the 3rd century BC.
I find it highly suspicious that our resident trolls have come back at the exact same time, btw.
SilverWook said:
Are you implying the prequels and OT are indie art films?
Episode V-VI-I-II-III are indie films (and in a way, V-II-III are “experimental” art films).
Nah.
Not enough people read the EU.
Episode V-VI-I-II-III were all of them independent movies, that’s a fact.
That’s ridiculous.
Well, to be fair, ESB, ROTJ, and the prequels were funded by Lucas/Lucasfilm and only distributed by Fox, so you could make the argument that they’re produced by an independent studio and thus are indie films.
But art films? Definitely not.
I think whether that makes them indie films is entirely up for debate.
To call them an art films is just to be completely ignorant of what that phrase means.
I think whether that makes them indie films is entirely up for debate.
It is not under a debate. The main creator financed his films. That is pretty much as independent as one can go.
To call them an art films is just to be completely ignorant of what that phrase means.
Not this shit again…
真実
I’m starting to think Warbler and Impscum are the same person, because neither understand how language works.