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The Force Awakens - Home Video Version NOT Theatrical Cut

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Hi there, just thought I’d post something I noticed.
At around the 30-31 minute (forget the specific time) mark of the TFA Blu-Ray, there is a close-up of BB-8 fleeing with Rey and Finn, headed for the Falcon.
Now in the theatrical version BB-8 makes a little “bleep bloop” noise, this is completely absent from the Blu Ray version.
This is the only change I’ve picked up so far but I highly doubt it’s the only one. That means that once again, no matter how minor, we have another Star Wars film edited from its original format for the home video release.
The company and staff may change, but the tradition never will :’)

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Ryan-SWI said:

Hi there, just thought I’d post something I noticed.
At around the 30-31 minute (forget the specific time) mark of the TFA Blu-Ray, there is a close-up of BB-8 fleeing with Rey and Finn, headed for the Falcon.
Now in the theatrical version BB-8 makes a little “bleep bloop” noise, this is completely absent from the Blu Ray version.
This is the only change I’ve picked up so far but I highly doubt it’s the only one. That means that once again, no matter how minor, we have another Star Wars film edited from its original format for the home video release.
The company and staff may change, but the tradition never will :’)

You’re probably going to be told to ‘keep it in the pants’ until a week from tomorrow. But things like this are obviously going to be of interest around here at that point. Still, there’s only one way to get the film now, and it’s not a good way. Even if your local store gets it in early, they won’t allow it to be rung up on the system (people have tried).

On that note, are we going to change how we allow for discussion of the cam bootlegs at that point in time, provided that everyone is buying the blu-ray to discuss that end of things? The Centropy cam recording of AoTC is an invaluable source of information, as seen in other threads, as there is no other source of what the film looked like on screens. Or are we waiting a bit longer?

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I’m aware of the “bad way” of getting it currently, and I certainly haven’t gotten it that way.
Disney has sent out promo copies to a lot of people, someone I know being one of them, and that’s how I watched it early and made the comparison. I don’t think I need to prove my validity considering a simple Google search will bring up hundreds of people who have gotten it early. Even if I did obtain it wrongfully (which I didn’t), I’ve preordered five different editions of the film on BD now so it’s not like I’m not contributing to Disney’s dollar pile.

Regardless of that you’re right, it is now apparent that bootlegs of The Force Awakens from a few months ago shall now be the only way to view the original version of the film. ‘Wrong’ or not, like you said it will be comparable to the AoTC Centropy version which is literally the only version of the theatrical cut we have.

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As the resident “Changes” guy, even I have to say that this may be a bit much.

Are we 1000000% sure that he gave a “bleep bloop” in every version of the 2D, 3D, 3D IMAX, 15/70 IMAX out there? That doesn’t even count the different sound mixes. Or that perhaps the promo copy doesn’t have the ATMOS sound folded down correctly? Or if it’s just the person’s sound system on which it was viewed?

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I can’t hear any beep noises from BB-8 in the scene you describe mate - on the cam version or the bluray (31m, 48s). That’s not to say they are not there - but just I can’t hear any…

BB-8 does however makes beep noises in the scene you describe on the official teaser trailer, here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erLk59H86ww (about 28 seconds in)

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oojason said:

I can’t hear any beep noises from BB-8 in the scene you describe mate - on the cam version or the bluray (31m, 48s). That’s not to say they are not there - but just I can’t hear any…

BB-8 does however makes beep noises in the scene you describe on the official teaser trailer, here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erLk59H86ww (about 28 seconds in)

Or that.

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doubleofive said:

As the resident “Changes” guy, even I have to say that this may be a bit much.

Are we 1000000% sure that he gave a “bleep bloop” in every version of the 2D, 3D, 3D IMAX, 15/70 IMAX out there? That doesn’t even count the different sound mixes. Or that perhaps the promo copy doesn’t have the ATMOS sound folded down correctly? Or if it’s just the person’s sound system on which it was viewed?

Every single version? Who knows, but I saw the film in 2D, 3D and 3D IMAX and they all had that “bleep bloop”.
Obviously there’s no way to tell whether the lack of an audio clip in that particular scene can be chalked up to other variables with the promo or sound system itself, and we won’t know for sure until a week from now, but I’ve got my money on it being a definite change, and it’s curious to say the least.

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oojason said:

I can’t hear any beep noises from BB-8 in the scene you describe mate - on the cam version or the bluray (31m, 48s). That’s not to say they are not there - but just I can’t hear any…

BB-8 does however makes beep noises in the scene you describe on the official teaser trailer, here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erLk59H86ww (about 28 seconds in)

It’s definitely there. I’m not going to go ahead and post clips before the official release of the film, but I’ll make a short clip a week from now comparing the two.

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Ryan-SWI said:

oojason said:

I can’t hear any beep noises from BB-8 in the scene you describe mate - on the cam version or the bluray (31m, 48s). That’s not to say they are not there - but just I can’t hear any…

BB-8 does however makes beep noises in the scene you describe on the official teaser trailer, here:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erLk59H86ww (about 28 seconds in)

It’s definitely there. I’m not going to go ahead and post clips before the official release of the film, but I’ll make a short clip a week from now comparing the two.

Cool - the only thing I’m hearing in the scene where BB-8 rolls up to the Falcon is the sound of the TIE-Fighter flying overhead and then an impact blast sound, along with the orchestra chase tune throughout the scene.

There could well be some audio differences - I’m off to book in an ear test 😉

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Food for thought, is it possible some cam versions have different audio mixes? Obviously we all know that not every single cam is the same and they’re usually all recorded by different people in different countries, so it may be a possibility that different theatres had differing audio mixes.

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Ryan-SWI said:

Food for thought, is it possible some cam versions have different audio mixes? Obviously we all know that not every single cam is the same and they’re usually all recorded by different people in different countries, so it may be a possibility that different theatres had differing audio mixes.

I think it’s a spanish cam with audio added in from who knows where.

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Any sort of release date for this preservation?

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towne32 said:

Ryan-SWI said:

Food for thought, is it possible some cam versions have different audio mixes? Obviously we all know that not every single cam is the same and they’re usually all recorded by different people in different countries, so it may be a possibility that different theatres had differing audio mixes.

I think it’s a spanish cam with audio added in from who knows where.

On the money. The very first ‘marked’ one released with the Spanish crawl has the sound effect I’m referring to. As did every cinema I saw the film at personally.

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Well, as I don’t have that and have absolutely no memory about that specific bleep or bloops, I’m of no use here.

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Of course in that Trailer clip, none of the sounds of the Tie Fighter attack are present.
BB-8 does turn to the camera and Bleep-Bloop (I’ve got a bad feeling about this).
Have you tried watching that scene with the [CC] turned on? Interesting…

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I read that they didn’t do screener DVDs for TFA to avoid piracy.

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The Blu-Ray sound mix is different and much improved from what I heard in theaters. I was very unimpressed with how they used John Williams’ score when I saw it in theaters. Things seem to be leveled out here and they sound stunning.

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Swazzy said:

Damn. JJ “I won’t change the movie from theater to home release” Abrams better have a good excuse for those deleted scene time codes.

I don’t see how those two things are related.

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I didn’t phrase it all too well, but I was referring to the fact that, not only was he against an extended, revised cut, but additionally the powers that be added time codes to the deleted scenes to prevent anyone else from attempting the same.

But the point’s pretty moot to begin with.

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Swazzy said:

I didn’t phrase it all too well, but I was referring to the fact that, not only was he against an extended, revised cut, but additionally the powers that be added time codes to the deleted scenes to prevent anyone else from attempting the same.

Well in that case I think it’s consistent. If indeed they are refusing to do an extended version, it would make sense that they do not want pirated blu-rays competing by offering something they are not willing to do. But I don’t necessarily think that the time codes are strictly for that reason. I’ve seen similar in plenty of DVDs and Blu-rays, just not the previous Star Wars releases. And we’re talking about six or seven 20-50 second clips anyway.

I think one point about not having an extended release on the BD was to avoid doing anything “SE-like” this early on, even if there are of course less problematic ways of doing it (including both versions in the release). It would still bring in a bunch of “George was right! Even JJ is a revisionist!” type nonsense.

Maybe once (if) they’ve released the OOT, they will be more likely to do such things. But personally, I think they are more interested in spacing out all the deleted materials over the next decade in re-releases than they are in creating an extended cut.

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Ryan-SWI said:

Hi there, just thought I’d post something I noticed.
At around the 30-31 minute (forget the specific time) mark of the TFA Blu-Ray, there is a close-up of BB-8 fleeing with Rey and Finn, headed for the Falcon.
Now in the theatrical version BB-8 makes a little “bleep bloop” noise, this is completely absent from the Blu Ray version.
This is the only change I’ve picked up so far but I highly doubt it’s the only one. That means that once again, no matter how minor, we have another Star Wars film edited from its original format for the home video release.
The company and staff may change, but the tradition never will :’)

It’s still in theaters if you really want to double check it.

EDIT: Also, shouldn’t this be in general discussions?

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^It’s about preserving the theatrical version of TFA, so preservations works in my book.

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I don’t see anybody discussing a project or their intent to do anything about this missing sound effect.