Lets hope that the Deleted Scenes will be finished and in HD
Is releasing SD special features still a thing? I was more concerned about the aspect ratio being botched.
Get rid of Greg Grunberg and Ken Leung, JJ’s buddies from Alias, Lost etc. from the control room scene. That double whammy pulled me out of the Star Wars universe more than anything else.
Well look who’s back!
I didn’t notice those guys, but then again I’ve never seen them in my life (to my knowledge).
Me neither. It’s not like seeing Van Helsing running the Death Star or Scaroth leading the attack on Hoth.
Or Wicket at the podrace with Watto in TPM.
Or Anthony Daniels and the guy who played Jar Jar in the AOTC bar on Coruscant.
Or blue-faced Lucas and his daughter outside the opera in ROTS.
Yeah JJ’s friends weren’t that big of a deal and they did actually serve as characters, they also did fight in the xwings as well so i don’t see the point of cutting them
Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329
Lets hope that the Deleted Scenes will be finished and in HD
Is releasing SD special features still a thing? I was more concerned about the aspect ratio being botched.
If they try to squeeze the deleted scenes all on one disk chances are high that it will be a in 480i because of space issues on the disk. If it has its own separate disk, we could expect 1080p only thing that could spoil that is if they had timecode burnt in the scene.
I can’t imagine they would only do a single disc for this release. It’s gonna be a top seller.
I can’t imagine they would only do a single disc for this release. It’s gonna be a top seller.
I don’t normally buy blurays on release day. Is the price of $25 indicative of whether or not it is likely to include a second disc?
So as I restate about every time I do make exceptions and post here, this will be brief due to limited time. I’m not even going to write an original post. I sent an email to a childhood friend today after he shared his love of TFA and asked me my opinion. This friend still holds a special place in my heart (see this topic I started: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/A-Lengthy-Stroll-Down-Star-Wars-Memory-Lane/id/15211). Here is my discussion of the movie, which is my my review of the film and my suggestions for a fan edit:
Now on to Star Wars: The Force Awakens. I have to say, I find myself somewhat less optimistic than you. That’s not to say that I didn’t like the movie; I just found myself a bit disappointed, hoping to be blown away, and truthfully just watching a movie that I found to be an enjoyable, if derivative, flick. Too much of the story was predictable, and when I say derivative, it felt like a carbon copy of A New Hope. The Republic capital (named Hosnian Prime) was little more than Alderaan, blown up by what is basically a third Death Star. The First Order is of course an outgrowth of the Empire, but the setup with it and the Resistance are too much like the Rebellion/Empire dynamic. Kylo Ren’s murder of his father Han is reminiscent of Vader killing his father-like former master Obi-Wan. There was an X-wing run much like the trench run of A New Hope, a latent Force-sensitive discovering her powers who comes from a desert planet, a cutesy astromech droid carrying essential information that the bad guys don’t want in the wrong hands and are also trying to obtain, a large hologram of the hideous leader of the bad guys with Force abilities speaking to his evil Force using minion (this is obviously more reminiscent of The Empire Strikes Back), etc. I honestly feel like it was too much of a rehash.
Furthermore, the pacing was too fast for my tastes, the product of overall poor editing choices (the worst offender being what you mentioned about the lack of any caring at all when Hosnian Prime was destroyed), contrived solutions (again, as you mentioned, R2 waking up for no understandable reason), the problem with the map (I could understand if it was some “small” section of the Galaxy, which would technically still be a huge area and could be more difficult to identify), and this is compounded by the fact that their galaxy must be tremendously smaller than ours, where Starkiller is apparently no farther than Mars and Hosnian Prime than Venus from Earth, considering how the heroes could observe the destructive beam and the destruction of the other planets with their naked eyes–if planets and systems are so close, then it shouldn’t be that hard to explore all the planets in the Galaxy and find Luke. Furthermore, what is the relationship of the Republic to the Resistance? Is the Resistance essentially state-sponsored terrorism, but of course with good guys? Why are the good guys still in the minority? It seems to me that we should be seeing a legitimate government ruling over numerous systems battling another legitimate but tyrannical government. And finally, I was really disappointed in John Williams’ score. In the original trilogy I can imagine every moment of the movies just by listening to the music. In the prequels it was more forgettable but still had highlights. I honestly cannot remember a single moving piece of music from this newest entry–a real disappointment for me. Granted, I’ve only seen it once, but nothing really stood out to me. Even the opening theme sounded weaker, and was recorded by a different orchestra than past entries.
That said, I did enjoy it, and all the above criticism, while legitimate in my eyes, surely sounds far worse than I truly feel about it. Yes, I was a bit disappointed. But I reflected a great deal on the movie the next day, and thought how in reality, I think I really enjoyed it. It was simply much different than I expected. So let me enumerate that which pleased me, with a few suggestions to improve the film.
Kylo Ren was cool and interesting, with his conflicted nature giving him greater depth. His face reveal would have been more potent in my mind if the first time we saw him was when Han went to face him. Speaking of which, Han’d death was a good thing as well, if a bit predictable (of course, though I did a great job avoiding spoilers, I knew Harrison wanted him killed in Return of the Jedi, so I kind of guessed it would happen anyway). The new characters were great: Finn, Rey, and I was surprised at how much I liked BB-8. Some characters were underdeveloped, Poe in particular, but he too was cool. I agree, the lightsaber fights were very fun, and though a subject of criticism from some, I enjoyed Kylo Ren’s saber.
As you know, fan editing is an art where I hang out on the Net–not an art at which I am skilled, but which I appreciate in others. If I were to suggest a fan edit, I’d try to cut Kylo Ren’s face from Rey’s torture scene, possibly even cutting him removing his mask, though I don’t know if either is possible while retaining the display of her latent Force abilities. I would cut the visibility of the Starkiller’s destruction to the heroes on the Resistance base planet, and to give it weight, I would add the scene(s) listed here clarifying the relationship between the Republic and the Resistance and actually showing Hosnian Prime before its doom.
http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awkens-deleted-scenes/
With that, I’d give some indication that this base existed before it all of the sudden unleashes its power. It seemed to be a sort of ghost in the machine for the bad guys, and I always am bothered by such things. Such could be at least suggested in the opening crawl, along with further clarification on the politics of the Galaxy today. As I’ve read others say, while the prequels were bogged down with politics, there wasn’t enough in The Force Awakens.
Another interesting thought and suggestion from a site I watch would be to even arrange the story so that Hosnian Prime is the planet in danger at the end, and that the Resistance manages to destroy the Starkiller, but only after it blows up Hosnian Prime, thus further distinguishing the movie from A New Hope. It would be a bittersweet ending and wouldn’t offend future installments in the series, as the Republic capital would still be gone.
I would probably add musical cues from older Star Wars movies, even from the prequels if need be. I’d also add less important scenes, if only to slow down the pace a bit, and hopefully some would clarify other mysteries (like where Luke’s lightsaber came from). I think this movie is far better than the prequels, but I’ll never enjoy it like the originals without some serious editing. Lots of great setup in the movie, but not executed as well as I’d hope. I probably need to read the novel, as I have a feeling I’ll enjoy that far more. It’s written by Alan Dean Foster, a great author who ghost wrote the original Star Wars novel before it even was changed to A New Hope. I know it includes a number of these deleted scenes and I think that will help me appreciate the story better.
Anyway, I know my feelings are harsh. I need to see it again, but probably won’t till it’s Blu-ray release. I’m sure I’ll like it better then, as I won’t have the same sorts of expectations and will have more opportunities to appreciate it for what it is and look for the minutia. I greatly enjoyed the dialogue, the introductions and first half of the movie with little complaint. I’m excited for the franchise’s renewal and hope it will pan out far better than the prequels. I don’t love the movie, but I do like it.
what if someone edited in Kylo to “Darth Vader’s” scenes in “Revenge Of the Sith”
Now, May That There Force Be with y’all… Ya Hear.
But then you’d be watching the prequels.
You’re right… Damn I didn’t think about that
Now, May That There Force Be with y’all… Ya Hear.
So I feel this is potentially exciting for Star Wars faneditors. If we nip and tuck The Force Awakens, and maybe add some deleted scenes to calm the frantic pace down a touch, then I feel this movie could be special.
I’d like to end it one shot earlier as well. The final scene had slightly awkward editing all round, but surely you end on Luke’s face, given the whole film has led to that moment.
Add your ideas below…
You’re dreams are already coming true… okay, maybe not dreams. But I have already started a fan edit of the movie.
The goal of my edit personally is:
-Cut back on the fanservice moments, which are pretty obvious.
-Remove the Kylo Ren temper tantrums.
-Re-edit the film by taking out shots here and there and overly cheesy dialogue.
-Completely re-do the entire sound mix, as the current explosions and effects just didn’t appeal to me.
-Remove some of the unnecessary references to the prequels.
and most of all,
Ultimately remove The Force Awakens score and replace all of it with the best music from all the other films.
That last point is big for me. I kinda liked Rey’s theme and some notes from Kylo’s theme, but most of the score just didn’t stick with me. I personally thought it was the worst of all the Star Wars soundtracks. I can’t hold much against John Williams, as he is 83 now, but I was still disappointed.
As for the final shot of the movie…
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If YOU guys have any suggestions for my edit or questions, please reply back.
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Please refrain from posting public links to anything involving the use of bootleg material from The Force Awakens. We don’t want the Mouse coming down on us.
Where were you in '77?
Or Wicket at the podrace with Watto in TPM.
Or Anthony Daniels and the guy who played Jar Jar in the AOTC bar on Coruscant.
Or blue-faced Lucas and his daughter outside the opera in ROTS.
You forgot Richard Marquand as the scout walker driver being beaten to death by Ewoks in ROTJ. 😉
Where were you in '77?
[That_OT_Ruler said:]But I have already started a fan edit of the movie.
I’m glad the link was removed, if I may be so blunt, because working from a bootleg can’t possibly be any good at anything…
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First of all: I loved TFA, even though plot-wise it was far from perfect. I think most of my problems are related to the Starkiller. Why would they create an elaborate superweapon that can only fire twice? So what if it was just about to be completed and only needed to swallow the sun to become fully operational? That way we could cut the destruction of Hosnian Prime (aka the planet we’ve never seen before and now it’s gone). The backstory would probably require some changing to give the new Republic a reason to declare war, but we’d have to wait for the sequels to see where the plot is going before doing such a change…
[That_OT_Ruler said:]But I have already started a fan edit of the movie.
I’m glad the link was removed, if I may be so blunt, because working from a bootleg can’t possibly be any good at anything…
I’m using the bootleg as a template, to map out exactly where I want my edits. Then when I get the full HD film with the layers of sound tracks, I’ll finalize and make the full edit. Of course I’m not using the bootleg for a normal edit. xDxD
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It might be possible to use films like Judge Dredd and Dune, maybe even Exorcist 2 to pad out Max Von Sydow’s disappointingly small part.
[That_OT_Ruler said:]But I have already started a fan edit of the movie.
I’m glad the link was removed, if I may be so blunt, because working from a bootleg can’t possibly be any good at anything…
I’m using the bootleg as a template, to map out exactly where I want my edits. Then when I get the full HD film with the layers of sound tracks, I’ll finalize and make the full edit. Of course I’m not using the bootleg for a normal edit. xDxD
You downloaded a bootleg, which is piracy. Stop trying to justify that shit.
[That_OT_Ruler said:]But I have already started a fan edit of the movie.
I’m glad the link was removed, if I may be so blunt, because working from a bootleg can’t possibly be any good at anything…
I’m using the bootleg as a template, to map out exactly where I want my edits. Then when I get the full HD film with the layers of sound tracks, I’ll finalize and make the full edit. Of course I’m not using the bootleg for a normal edit. xDxD
You downloaded a bootleg, which is piracy. Stop trying to justify that shit.
Oh come on, like anything you guys do here is better. I guarantee that the majority of people who’ve downloaded the Despecialized Editions, haven’t actually bought the blu-rays, regardless of the warning.
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It’s the principle. Nobody here condones piracy and yes I believe what we do here is better because we at least ask you to have bought the source material. Maybe some people don’t listen, but we have to be the example.
Nothing we do here should be with the intent of losing the copyright holders money. It’s because of our respect for the copyright holders that we have been more or less left alone.
TV’s Frink said:
Stop trying to justify that shit.
JEDIT: Obviously not directed at Darth Lucas.
Nothing we do here should be with the intent of losing the copyright holders money. It’s because of our respect for the copyright holders that we have been more or less left alone.
Yeah, I understand the aspect of that and I apologize if I acted harshly. I said in another thread:
I did infact paid to see the movie in the theater and will be paying for the movie when it comes out. I’m automatically not a legitimate faneditor just because I temporarily downloaded a movie to use it as a base for a fan edit I will eventually pay for?
I know, I know. I’m not trying to justify the use of an illegal source, but I’m just explaining why I’m using it at the moment.
No hard feelings? I’m being serious. I did see it in the theater and I will be paying for the digital movie.
~The original trilogy is my life… kind of~
And as I said…
I’m going to bow out of this part of the discussion. I am a moderator on FE.org and we have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to discussion of bootlegs and other pirated materials, and I think it should be very obvious why. But this place is not FE, and it’s not my job to convince you guys why it’s a bad idea to download pirated material, and it’s a bad idea to even appear that we condone it by not saying anything.\
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No direct links to media downloads of copyrighted materials (VOBs, WMV, QuickTime, torrent files, NZB files, ED2K links, etc.) with the exception of short clips to demonstrate quality or content. No direct links to pages containing such files.
The source of all materials used in fan edits and preservation efforts must be cited, including retail releases, laserdisc transfers, special features, menus, covers, and artwork.
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