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The Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movie. Or is it? — Page 11

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This thread definitely needs moar S_Matt.  Unfortunately his "last online" date matches his hissyfit date, so...

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theprequelsrule said:

a lot of the credit goes to the editing skills of the two Lucases (Luci?).

Wasn't it Richard Chew who rescued the film by re-editing it based on the pacing of the actors rather than the pacing of the script's intention?

the original film is kind of in a separate category of it's own and is almost always the film I choose to watch when I watch a Star Wars movie. It is, in a way, the only Star Wars movie.

This is pretty much my view as well, although I enjoy the others.

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Well the original has not been seen since before the A New Hope title was added.

Was that 1981 or 1982 ?

There were re-releases a lot of them, before the 1982 videocassette came out.

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I eat my cereal from a hyper bowl.

 

I'm sure this has been addressed already, but eleven pages? C'mon.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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I take it someone isn't reading threads, just the numbers? C'mon!

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I'm glad this thread is still going, because I was catching up- reading page 3 and was afraid I wouldn't be able to add my worthless comment:

Someone (I think it was page 3) said that the "walking carpet" line was unbecoming or out of character for Leia because she was a Royal Princess.  That reminded me of a bit from Wishful Drinking by Princess Leia Carrie Fischer herself.  She wrote of her "mom" and "Debbie Reynolds" being two different people.  The dressing room had two doors- through one her mom entered, and hours later Debbie Reynolds, the movie star, exited through the other.  At the end of the night, Debbie Reynolds would return and the process ran in reverse.

Reynolds was born/raised in El Paso, TX, but had diction training to remove her Texas accent.  Carrie wrote that her mother used the queens English at home as well... unless she had a particularly bad day and the Texas came out swinging.  That's when she and her brother knew they were in trouble.

It doesn't seem incorrect to me in the least for a Royal Princess to have quite a mouth on her when she wants to.

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theprequelsrule said:

The prequels just suck, although TPM was at least an attempt to make a film with an original vision. I think. It still sucked.

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xhonzi said:

Reynolds was born/raised in El Paso, TX,

Since we're all over the map topic-wise in this thread, I'd like to add my own useless contribution.

I was also born in El Paso, TX - and - Singing In The Rain is one of my favorite films.

That is all.

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none said:

http://www.ceskapozice.cz/en/business/companies/star-wars-tv-series-may-shoot-prague

While McCallum produced the three Star Wars films made between 1999 and 2005, he said his favorite in the series was “The Empire Strikes Back,” made in 1980.

 Classic.

You know, I feel for McCallum. He's actually a really incredible, really hard-working producer, and he has good taste in films. His work on Singing Detective and Young Indy were great. I think he's stuck with Lucas because it's a comfy job that pays really, really well. But of course when he first hired, who wouldn't turn down producing a classic SW re-release and the prequels? It's very obvious that he knows how silly the prequels are, but who could have foreseen that in 1994 when he was hired? It's funny to think how McCallum's career could have gone if he had turned down the prequels.

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It's funny to think how the prequels would have gone if he had some balls.

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They would have gone the same. Actually, they probably would have been worse, since most producer's aren't as good as McCallum and he actually did contribute more to the films in a subtle way than people give him credit.

Basically, the films would have been the same or worse because Lucas would have replaced McCallum with someone who was willing to do what Lucas wanted if McCallum wasn't doing so. That's what Lucas was looking for in a producer--someone to ensure his wishes were carried out faithfully. Sometimes, that's how producers work. McCallum was smart enough to realise this so he didn't push Lucas inappropriately, although he wasn't totally passive. For instance, he warned Lucas about Jar Jar and tried to dissuade him, but Lucas had made his mind up and McCallum realized that's how it would be. He also snuck in an acting coach for Episode III, which is probably why that film has the best performances of all, probably because he saw how embarassing bad Episode II finally turned out to be.

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So of the prequels, we are all in agreement that Ep II is the worst?

I thought this thread was about Ep V being the best?

Right...?

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This should generate some conversation. I was recently roaming around some archives when I came across an old article from the Sarasota-Herald Tribune circa 1980. In the article they speak with Don Moore, the man that took over the reigns of Flash Gordon from Alex Raymond. The article is mostly about science fiction predicting the technology of tomorrow, but at one point it drifts to Moore's thoughts on Star Wars. It reads as follows:

The science fiction writer said he enjoyed the movie "Star Wars" but didn't like its sequel, "The Empire Strikes Back" as well. "'Empire' has too many gadgets and gimmicks and not enough people in the story," he said.

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Wow, what movie did he see? Wonder what he thought of the 1980 Flash Gordon movie...

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Where were you in '77?

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Maybe because the first was more lovingly evoking of Raymond and Williamson and the second was not the same kind of serial escapist fun ?

The not enough heart in the story would make more sense than people.

Since empire is a character piece and more balanced between the 3 main characters, instead of a Luke Centric piece like Star Wars and Jedi.

Han and Leia are still in those other 2 films but in empire they feel more like real people and are more fleshed out.

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