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What has ‘theology’ ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has ‘theology’ ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? What makes you think that ‘theology’ is a subject at all? - Richard Dawkins

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Originally posted by: Rikter
No disrespect to those that have labor hard to create these DVD's (myself included) but screw the elitist attitude of "don't share these" - DON'T CREATE THE DARN THING in the first place if you don't want it shared
What would this forum be like without your triple-posts Rik? I concur.
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Rik: Calm down, buddy. Yes, it's about the fans. But if I make something, if I put all that time and effort into something that intensive, why should people beef with me about that if I decide I'd rather just hang onto it myself? If it's my time and my work going into it, and no one hired me to do it, why should I feel COMPELLED to give it to anyone else? How does that make it automatically free-market goods? I mean, obviously, someone else did the same thing anyway, right? ISOMIX? And then someone else came up with the same idea these guys had, right? MeBe? So why the stomping and teeth-gnashing and weak arguments designed to cajole people into giving you what you want? You can dress it up with 'it's for the fans" as much as you want, but the tone of your posts isn't benevolent sounding. it sounds more like "Gimme gimme gimme gimme."

I understand their side of it, and I understand your side of it. But your argument is very very lacking and petty sounding.

And DanielB, go fuck yourself. I'm surprised your head hasn't imploded due to the black-hole level vaccuum currently sucking at the inside of your skull. Stop talking. Having someone as ass-backwards as you attempt to moralize to ANYONE about ANYTHING is the height of absurdity, as far as I'm concerned. Either that or your weird as hell justification for your asinine ramblings. "Lay off me, I made a girl kill herself." Next thing you know, you'll be telling us about how you caused a grandmother to jump from a building and impale her grandchildren on railroad spikes, but you had to brush it off because "That's just how you are." or something. Save it. I don't need your empty-headed speechifying. So shut the fuck up.

And for the rest of you--lucky for you, the people who DID create this set HAVE said it's okay if these versions DO get out now, as Gonzo got a hold of someone who got a hold of someone who relayed the information that you kids didn't give a SHIT about the wishes of the people who made it and were going to distribute it anyway because it's your god-given right to have as many different versions of a laserdisc rip as possible. So they cruised on over, checked it out, and decided that they might as well make it available to you. I don't know any of the details as to how and when this will all happen, but soon, so Rik can update his posts and give everyone the link to the torrentsite or whatever.

All is well in capture-land
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I know this is either going to go unheeded or just used as fuel for the fire, but things are really starting to get too hostile. Please, let's just calm down.

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The only person I cussed is DanielB. And it's not like no one else wasn't THINKING that shit, anyway. Am I right? C'mon now.

Everything's fine. We're all adults, let's not try and babysit each other, pander and condescend like we need to be handled with kid gloves or something. Zion will decide who's getting antsy and out of hand and who isn't, let's let him do that.

And Beastly, I appreciate that you don't want things to get heated, but now your post asking for peace is completely papering over the points I'm trying to make, and in effect, asking people to NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THEM, and I think it's MORE than a good enough topic of discussion here, those questions I raise. As they go straight to the heart of WHY we're doing this.

Are we really doing it for the fans?
Or are we doing it so we can say we had something to do with ANY sort of release of Star Wars?

Are we doing it just to do it, just for the hell of it, for our own enjoyment?
Or are we doing it so we can take some credit and say "look at me...look what I did?"

Is it philanthropy?
Or Self-Gratification?

I think that's a good set of questions to put forth. Especially in this context, where someone as cool as Rik and as shitty as Daniel are essentially on the same side...I think that's something that should be addressed..Hopefully people won't get too heated, but once again, hopefully people aren't too eager to be babysat or to start babysitting. I trust Zion's judgment.
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I'm not asking people to not pay attention to your points. There are two sides of this argument and you're presenting both of them. I think anyone who reads what you wrote can see that. Perhaps this is a case of not being able to read inflection very well due to the fact that this is text-only, but just judging by the use of caps in your posts, I just think that things are about to become more heated than they need to be. If I'm wrong, please say so and I'll just bite my tongue.

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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
Everything's fine. We're all adults, let's not try and babysit each other, pander and condescend like we need to be handled with kid gloves or something.


He's right. You guys don't need to be babysat. For the most part we have some great discussions here. At times things might get out of hand and that's where I come in. The only thing that really annoys me is when a thread gets way off topic. Let's not let that happen in here.

Bizzle brings up some great points, and I think they deserve to be addressed.

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I apologize for brewing up more than should have been. Biz, you do make good points and I didn't intent to make my message sound like I was asking people to glaze over them.

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What has ‘theology’ ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has ‘theology’ ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? What makes you think that ‘theology’ is a subject at all? - Richard Dawkins

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What has ‘theology’ ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has ‘theology’ ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? What makes you think that ‘theology’ is a subject at all? - Richard Dawkins

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"...I think that's something that should be addressed.."

Presumably by the people doing it? I just wanted to make the best version of the original films that I could - it was a personal goal that became a hobby.
MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
JediRandy: They're certainly beyond any repair you're capable of making.


MeBeJedi: You aren't one of us.
Go-Mer-Tonic: I can't say I find that very disappointing.


JediRandy: I won't suck as much as a fan edit.
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What has ‘theology’ ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has ‘theology’ ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? What makes you think that ‘theology’ is a subject at all? - Richard Dawkins

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THEN why even BRING it up in a public forum? - Don't brag about stuff that your not willing to share simple enough right?
That is all I'm saying.....

But how is that bragging? And what Mike Verta's doing...how is that "Rubbing your face in it." Hell, he's TEACHING you how to do it.

TOO many people come in here WAVING stuff in peoples faces saying "I have this and you don't" - and THAT is NOT cool


Who waved what in WHO'S face? Someone came in and said they got a copy, and were going to give it to you. Me and Neil and Gonzo then chimed in to verify what it was. We weren't BRAGGING and waving it around, we were letting you know what was up, on ALL counts, including what the people who MADE it thought. It's not like the people who made it rode in here and said "nanner nanner" and then rode out.

Look, it's not like I'm saying people SHOULDN'T share them. but they shouldn't be made to feel like they HAVE to or else there's something wrong with them. That's just bullshit. I think people should have a little more respect for personal decisions. Hell, why do you think me and Neil and Gonzo didn't really say ANYTHING about these versions on the boards? 1) because we respected the creators enough to know they didn't want a whole bunch of noise surrounding these and 2) we knew it'd be a frigging bloodbath the instant we said anything, and it'd be a mountain of people tugging on our pantsleg to get us to break confidence. And so it was simply easier to stay quiet.

Plus, all this "for the fans" stuff simply comes up false with you, Rik. I'm sorry, it does. You're a good guy, you're eager and energetic as all hell, but I can smell the neediness from here, man. Dial it back a little. It's not about "Bragging" or "getting kudos" or any of that, at least it shouldn't be. And if it really IS "for the fans" then we should ALL be doing what Mike Verta and Zion and MeBe and Laserman and Gonzo are doing and giving people almost STEP BY STEP instructions on how to make THEIR OWN. What's the saying? Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day..teach a man to fish and he'll never go hungry again?

To boil it down: If someone wants to share that they're "preserving" the OT for themselves, why should we yell at them for that. Shouldn't we be cool with it? Isn't that the PURPOSE of this website? I don't think OriginalTrilogy.com is about "Where we come to celebrate the originals..unless you aren't gonna cough em up, then fuck you, and don't tell us about it, greedy." which is essentially how you're coming off.

And if someone DOES want to share it, that's even cooler. And if someone wants to share em AND let us in on HOW they do it, that's TWICE as cool.

But if all we're doing here is sitting around and waiting for some schmuck to stumble in, do all the work so we can give em a fleeting 'yay, thanks" and then discard em once we get their transfer, then we're simply leeches attached to a dead horse as it's beaten.

Beastly: Don't sweat it. I think the problem comes in where people think I'm going insane and flame is shooting out of my eyesockets because I used a cussword. Which isn't so. I guarantee almost everyone here, in the course of their normal day, cusses at least 10 times. Like it's nothing. Like they didn't even know they did it. I dont' understand why people still react to cusswords like that, when I can't even think of a SINGLE person I've EVER talked to in ANY branch of life that hasn't let loose a 4-letter in the middle of a sentence. Not because they were angry, or upset, but simply because that's just how most people talk.

And I seriously doubt there are kids in this forum and even if they are, why should we act as if THIS is something they shouldn't be looking at. I'd rather have them read a couple "motherfuckers" and "Go fuck yourselves" here on this board than to wander into some donkeyshow site or something. Yunno? As if reading a cussword is something NEW to them. There aren't any kids floating around here, man. This is some obsession level type stuff This is the kind of stuff you have to GROW into, to have stick to you for a LOT of years before you decide to dump thousands of dollars on obsolete technology to re-create your childhood

Kids would rather video-game carjack a hooker in than have to do all that shit
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What has ‘theology’ ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has ‘theology’ ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? What makes you think that ‘theology’ is a subject at all? - Richard Dawkins

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And DanielB, go fuck yourself. I'm surprised your head hasn't imploded due to the black-hole level vaccuum currently sucking at the inside of your skull. Stop talking. Having someone as ass-backwards as you attempt to moralize to ANYONE about ANYTHING is the height of absurdity, as far as I'm concerned. Either that or your weird as hell justification for your asinine ramblings. "Lay off me, I made a girl kill herself." Next thing you know, you'll be telling us about how you caused a grandmother to jump from a building and impale her grandchildren on railroad spikes, but you had to brush it off because "That's just how you are." or something. Save it. I don't need your empty-headed speechifying. So shut the fuck up.
Oh how very mature. Firstly the girl has not killed herself, secondly I was the one who dragged her out of constant-hatred in the first place, so it can't be so surprising she returned to it. Thirdly the entire situation hurts me enough as it is, without someone as clueless as you trying to somehow blame me for it.

Yes, I probably could have done more. I am only human, and it isn't my responsibility. And I really don't appreciate you attacking me like that at all, I mean I know I'm not perfect, but I really did not have anything to do with her going back to a hatful attitude. And you do not have any right to claim otherwise. I believe I have a responsibility to do the best by people I value. But it isn't my responsibility to parent her. I know it sounds terrible, I can't seem to express it exactly the way I feel.

Bizzle, please talk civilly on these forums. What right do you have to claim that I shouldn't post here if you don't post maturely yourself? Is this another "do as I say not as I do" situations? I'm not going to post negativity back to you Bizzle – I understand you have feelings and I don't want to hurt them. So you can flame the forum all you want, but at the end of the day it will be you disrupting the forum with hate and flame, not me. I reckon almost everyone here would agree to conduct their posts here maturely (with no hate or flame). Oh, and Rik is right. Children view these forums.

Now for the sake of the forums I will ask you, and anyone else who wishes to insult me to at least have the decency to take it off the forums and into PM's.

One final thing, Rik I generally agree with you. When it comes to someone doing a personal project and making it publicly known, I don't take issue with that. That's fine by me and certainly welcome. I don't believe this is the place for it however, since this forum is for original trilogy preservation, and since you are not helping the preservation efforts it should be taken off these forums.

However, when someone decides to distribute their preservation effort, I do not believe they have the right to dictate how it is distributed. This is because the creator owns his own project's DVD as much as I do. Neither of us own it, Lucas is the true owner. I know that might turn some stomaches, however if I did the same thing (and I mean the same thing in theory, it doesn't have to be a SW DVD) then I would not expect to dictate how it is distributed. If I ever author a SW preservation DVD, you would expect to find the caption:

Let us not loose sight of the purpose of preservation.

While I created this set, from many hours of hard-labour, they contain the property of George Lucas. I do not claim ownership to any part herein and I feel that the true owner is Lucas. This set is designed to preserve the trilogy for home use until such a time as it is made legally available by George Lucas. When that happens, please show Lucas your support by purchasing the official product –DanielB.
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What has ‘theology’ ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has ‘theology’ ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? What makes you think that ‘theology’ is a subject at all? - Richard Dawkins

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I think the problem comes in where people think I'm going insane and flame is shooting out of my eyesockets because I used a cussword. Which isn't so. I guarantee almost everyone here, in the course of their normal day, cusses at least 10 times.


Well I don't do that. No, really, I don't. But the difference is I know that's how most people are and I'm used to it. The bottom line is that Jay doesn't have a problem with it for the most part and I'm not going to do anything about it except in extreme cases.


DanielB the only reason these threads get into these off topic discussions is because of your influence. Either stick to the topic at hand or don't post at all. Stop flooding every thread you go into with your crap theories.

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Originally posted by: Rikter
REALLY - MVerta does not have one HOW-TO do anything I've seen HE ONLY shows WHAT he has DONE -

Laserman is HELPING people and so (is) MeBeJedi...

- ALL Mike Verta is doing is Showing off a set and the steps he's taken and he's made it clear that NO ONE will see this set all he cares about is selling T-Shirts that are not being delievered in a timely manner if at all.

Why are you so angry, all I asked is why not share?
I concur Rik. However, my shirt was delivered in a timely-manner, so unless you are talking from personal experience it seems a bit daunting to use it against him. Certainly though, he is only interested in making money from them - but they are good shirts.
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Originally posted by: zion
I think the problem comes in where people think I'm going insane and flame is shooting out of my eyesockets because I used a cussword. Which isn't so. I guarantee almost everyone here, in the course of their normal day, cusses at least 10 times.
Well I don't do that. No, really, I don't. But the difference is I know that's how most people are and I'm used to it. The bottom line is that Jay doesn't have a problem with it for the most part and I'm not going to do anything about it except in extreme cases.
Neither do I, and even if that is normal, it doesn't make it okay. You can't excuse bad behaviour with "but everyone else does it".
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ANYWAY - I will be uploading this DVD really soon.


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What has ‘theology’ ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has ‘theology’ ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? What makes you think that ‘theology’ is a subject at all? - Richard Dawkins

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I didn't even notice you'd been made mod Zion, you would certainly have been my first choice. Then again, the less moderation the better... to a point anyway... but still, congrats man. I just realized I said something negative:
without someone as clueless as you trying to somehow blame me for it.
Just so you know, I'm sorry - and I am striving to achieve 100% positive posts.

Aside from that, may I be the first to question: If this version is just an LD rip with a generated title-crawl, what's so special about it? I mean it isn't the 1977 cut, it's still the 1981 version, correct?
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I apologize to anyone who thought I was gloating about having this set. It was never my intention.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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So, question. Now that the creators don't mind the work being circulated, does that mean that the revised ANH, in addidion to ESB and ROTJ are gonna be traded? If so, who wants to work out a deal?

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