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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD — Page 3

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I have one, for sure....lightsabers. They are particularly bad in the Bespin battle. The cave, not so much, but Bespin for sure.

Speaking of out of sync voices, wasn't Leia's out of sync in ANH when she says 'get this walking carpet', or did you address that?

Also, I've always thought it would be cool to reinsert the John Williams cues that got cut from the film, but that isn't 'restoring' the films.
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Hey DE, I've got an ESB one for you...

In the SE and 04 version when Lando takes Han and Co to the banquet hall to meet Vader, there's a big bay window in the first shot walking toward the room and it vanishes in all subsequent shots.
I've completed the effects to add the window into all but one of the shots and I just can't get the last one to look right.
It's the wide angle shot where the stormtroopers first file in, I just can't seem to get it to look right.
Seeing as painting things into frame seems a bit more up your alley than mine, maybe you would be able to add the window to that last shot. I could email you the rest of the shots if you wanted, to save you the work on them.

If not, oh well, the error has come to George's attention and they're fixing it for the next release, anyway.

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I have one, for sure....lightsabers. They are particularly bad in the Bespin battle. The cave, not so much, but Bespin for sure.

There are certainly a handful of shots where I'll definitely brighten up his lightsabre, but I don't think I'll redo every shot just to get it 100% consistent. I've just this second found that in the shot where you see Luke zipping up into the ceiling, Vader's lightsabre blade actually disappears in the last frame, and you can see the prop.

Speaking of out of sync voices, wasn't Leia's out of sync in ANH when she says 'get this walking carpet', or did you address that?


I think the dialogue in that scene was all looped. I didn't look into it too closely but I figured there wasn't much I could to do to improve it.

Hopefully some of you will be getting ANH in the mail tomorrow!

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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
Hey DE, I've got an ESB one for you...

In the SE and 04 version when Lando takes Han and Co to the banquet hall to meet Vader, there's a big bay window in the first shot walking toward the room and it vanishes in all subsequent shots.
I've completed the effects to add the window into all but one of the shots and I just can't get the last one to look right.
It's the wide angle shot where the stormtroopers first file in, I just can't seem to get it to look right.
Seeing as painting things into frame seems a bit more up your alley than mine, maybe you would be able to add the window to that last shot. I could email you the rest of the shots if you wanted, to save you the work on them.

If not, oh well, the error has come to George's attention and they're fixing it for the next release, anyway.


Are you referring to Bespin's new magical reverting windows? You mean George and crew just now noticed that? Personally, I never liked them in the first place. i should be focusing on Lando, not some elevator.


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That's interesting to hear. I thought it was pretty noticable.


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Here is a grip I have, see if you notice it. When Vader basically gets peppered with Solo's laser blasts, there is all kinds of craziness going on. First, Han is firing shells out the top of his blaster, which, never land. But I don't think they are supposed to be there anyways. Secondly, some of the 'flash' explosions on Vader are not timed correctly, so you get Frame:blast hits Vader, Frame: flash instead of them being simultaneous. Because it moves so fast, it just looks like a garbled mess when watching it in real speed. Also, try and explain to me what is happening to Vader. Is he using the Force to block the blasts and if so, why are they flashing like explosions. If not, and they are hitting his metal body, why isn't his suit smoking where the laser blasts would have had to have gone in. Also, his left arm never gets up high enough to block the laser blast, and to fix this LFL basically just has him get hit in the forearm as he is raising his arm as if Han Solo is the quickest draw in the galaxy and Force using, Jedi sensing Vader can't react fast enough. A confusing bit indeed. THAT has always bugged me, but I had forgotten about it until MF brought up that scene for other reasons.
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I just don't understand how so many small mistakes slip past the Lucasfilm's crew but get picked up by the fans. Wouldn't it be smart of them to hire some student fans, pay them with beer, pizza and some free DVDs, and have them find all the mistakes. I mean Luke's green lightsaber (for god's sake!) - that isn't even something small.

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Recieved the disk this morning. Haven't had a chance to watch it yet but just wanted to say thanks.

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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
In the SE and 04 version when Lando takes Han and Co to the banquet hall to meet Vader, there's a big bay window in the first shot walking toward the room and it vanishes in all subsequent shots.

Hmm. I knew about that one since the SE, and I was sort of looking out for it (but not intently), but I didn't notice it. I'll check it again tonight, unless you can email me a few screenshots in the next few hours so I can get a handle on it.

Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
First, Han is firing shells out the top of his blaster, which, never land.

Thanks, I missed that one. There were shells in ANH too (I painted them out when I did my SE LD to DVD conversion), but the 2004 DVD cleanup process seems to have treated most of them as dirt and wiped them away.

Originally posted by: Hardcored Legend
Is he using the Force to block the blasts and if so, why are they flashing like explosions.


I'd say the energy has to be expended somehow, so the bolts are exploding against whatever F/force field he's projecting. And Vader could probably block the shots without raising his hand, it just looks better The fact that he does it slowly shows how little it matters - if he moved quickly it would appear that he was in some danger.

This is one of those things where the editors made deliberate choices about how they cut the scene, and I think those choices should override concerns about cause and effect.

That said, I do intend to make a better job of the top hatch on the Falcon by re-editing the scene. Makes you wonder why they noticed that when they did the SE, but not all the other stuff

Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Received the disk this morning. Haven't had a chance to watch it yet but just wanted to say thanks.


Uh, you did? You're not in my list of addresses

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Yeah I am, but I gave you my real name and address so as not to baffle the postman when he delivered a package to Yoda, and a good thing to as I was out when it was delivered and had to collect it from the sorting office.

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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
This is one of those things where the editors made deliberate choices about how they cut the scene, and I think those choices should override concerns about cause and effect.


Kinda like explosions going "BOOM" in the vacuum of space. Sometimes we need to learn to take artistic vision with a grain of salt, and I'm glad you understand the difference between continuity/factual mistakes and artistic license.
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This disc looks positively stunning. Holy cow! The dogfight is gorgeous, DE. Positively gorgeous.
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This disc looks positively stunning. Holy cow! The dogfight is gorgeous, DE. Positively gorgeous.


I didn't really do anything to the dogfight, I just put the fanfare back in! But thanks anyway

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I just had a look at the corridor on Bespin, and I see it now. I missed it the first time because it almost seems like they turn 90 degrees before opening the door. Tricky... but not impossible.

It looks like Vader is meant to be deflecting the blaster bolts. One shot, from behind Vader, shows a bolt hitting his hand, sparking, then another light flaring up on the wall by the door, although the blaster bolt is never seen going from hand to door. There's also another burn visible on the other side of the door, presumably from one of the previous bolts.

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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Originally posted by: Darth Editous
This is one of those things where the editors made deliberate choices about how they cut the scene, and I think those choices should override concerns about cause and effect.


Kinda like explosions going "BOOM" in the vacuum of space. Sometimes we need to learn to take artistic vision with a grain of salt, and I'm glad you understand the difference between continuity/factual mistakes and artistic license.



So how do you know what is artistic vision and a mistake? Was it artistic vision to leave Luke's lightsaber as a changing color saber in ANH in the original, the SE's and the 2004 editions? Because these mistakes continue to go uncorrected, should I assume they are intended to be that way and Anakin had a super cool mood saber?

Watch the scene in slow motion, frame by frame and you will see these are as much mistakes because of the technology at the time as the lightsaber in ANH is.
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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
I just had a look at the corridor on Bespin, and I see it now. I missed it the first time because it almost seems like they turn 90 degrees before opening the door. Tricky... but not impossible.

It looks like Vader is meant to be deflecting the blaster bolts. One shot, from behind Vader, shows a bolt hitting his hand, sparking, then another light flaring up on the wall by the door, although the blaster bolt is never seen going from hand to door. There's also another burn visible on the other side of the door, presumably from one of the previous bolts.

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Does that mean you might add the deflections back in or just leave it as this? I mean, it's fast enough that you are just like, WTF just happened, but don't really notice what really is happening. It just kinda bugs me because everything else that is blocked in the OT and PT doesn't like blast off of someone. The laser bolts hitting Vader have the same effect as they do when they hit Stormtroopers, except Troopers die.
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Does that mean you might add the deflections back in or just leave it as this? I mean, it's fast enough that you are just like, WTF just happened, but don't really notice what really is happening.

There's only shot where it looks like there really should be a deflection.

It looks to me like Vader catches the bolt square on the left hand. Seems to me he's already raising it before Han would have fired, nonchalantly predicting a bolt in that direction and raising his hand just in time because he's just so super cool

It just kinda bugs me because everything else that is blocked in the OT and PT doesn't like blast off of someone. The laser bolts hitting Vader have the same effect as they do when they hit Stormtroopers, except Troopers die.


Are there any other occurences of blaster bolts being deflected/blocked by a Jedi/Sith/armour?

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Are there any other occurences of blaster bolts being deflected/blocked by a Jedi/Sith/armour?


No. And, to be honest, it hadn't occurred to me to think "WTF?" about this for about a decade until this thread.

But, Yoda is shown absorbing Palpatine's force lightning more than once. Same principle?

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P.S. Leave the scene as it is! It's cool enough already (IMHO).
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Originally posted by: Hurin
Are there any other occurences of blaster bolts being deflected/blocked by a Jedi/Sith/armour?

No. And, to be honest, it hadn't occurred to me to think "WTF?" about this for about a decade until this thread.

Meaning you had before, or you hadn't seen ESB before a decade ago?


But, Yoda is shown absorbing Palpatine's force lightning more than once. Same principle?


That's what I was referring to. I guess blast bolts aren't ever really deflected unless on a lightsaber. I'd have to go back and look, but don't the blasts hit Vader the same way they hit anything else that gets shot in the OT? I mean, when it hits a Stormtrooper, doesn't it give off the same flash, or no?
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I just rewatched it, and it's a simple enough fix. Just have the tail of a laser blast hitting the wall just as the explosion is happening next to the door way and you've corrected it. Otherwise, I'm not sure why it would explode on Vader, and then shoot an invisible something at the wall, that would explode too.

And the window thing, are we talking about how you can see out the windows behind the 'group' when they walk up, and then can't in every other shot?

If so, how could you possibly miss it? I mean, you had to add the CGI to the original shot for the SEs. When you DIDN'T add it to everything else, wouldn't you begin to wonder?
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Meaning you had before, or you hadn't seen ESB before a decade ago?

Meaning, I remember noticing this about a decade ago (somewhere between my fiftieth and sixtieth time watching ESB) and thinking: "WTF!?! Since when can Vader just absorb blaster bolts?" And then, I forgot all about it. Because it didn't seem like a big deal to me.
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
And the window thing, are we talking about how you can see out the windows behind the 'group' when they walk up, and then can't in every other shot?
If so, how could you possibly miss it? I mean, you had to add the CGI to the original shot for the SEs. When you DIDN'T add it to everything else, wouldn't you begin to wonder?


When George oversees effects shots (as you can see in "The Beginning" and the EP II Behind the Scenes docs), he approves various individual shots done by different artists. He's only looking closely at the one shot, out of context.
When he later saw it all put together, he was probably so caught up in the sound mix and other things, that it blew right past him.
While they were working on III, he happened to watch ESB, caught it, and commented that they would have to fix that "next time".

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Originally posted by: Darth Editous

I didn't really do anything to the dogfight, I just put the fanfare back in! But thanks anyway


Sorry ... shoulda been more clear. I was referring to the scene after the escape from the death star where Han and Luke take on the TIE fighters. I've always called that the dogfight. All those junk mattes are gone and it looks so friggin beautiful now.
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