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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD — Page 21

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Originally posted by: g-force
DE,

is there any way to get just the bug fixes in DVD quality, so we can update our DVD copies?

-G


Just the bugfixes? I guess that's doable... you'd need something like Womble to splice them into your copies (and I'd need something to extract to the MPEG from my encode), and that may not be entirely lossless. Any new DVD I build will also be encoded by a newer MPEG encoder so you might prefer to get the whole thing, if and when it becomes available. I might also redo the insertion to remove the MJPEG step by using AviSynth (now that I've got a workaround for the stupid dark MJPEG bug), marginally improving picture quality.

I'm a little jiggy about introducing more and more different revisions of my edits, too (even bit-different splices like this, even though they'd view the same), though of course I'll always maintain that you're as free to edit them as I am to edit Lucasfilm property

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DE has done SO many bug fixes that it's worth it just to get the whole enchilada. Trust me.
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Excellent work here! I dl'd the NTSC version from Demonoid and watched it this weekend.

Unbelievable!

There are a few cuts/changes that you made that I probably wouldn't have touched (Stormtrooper bangin' his head and all), but all the FX fixes and Han shooting first more than make up for it. It's soooo nice to have the clock actually match up with the announced countdown time for the attack on the moon.

I'm a big stickler on the soundtracks and was wondering if you tried to re-incorporate the 'imperial stormtrooper theme' back into the introduction of the Sandtroopers on Tatooine? (this cue can be heard in both the original theatrical version as well as the SE re-releases after the wipe from the Sandcrawler) It's just gone as is. Also the music doesn't quite keep the beat after the deletion of the Ronto/Jawa scene, did you tinker with this further?

Just nit-picks, but this is certainly going to be my preferred way of watching A New Hope!

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Also the music doesn't quite keep the beat after the deletion of the Ronto/Jawa scene, did you tinker with this further?


I haven't gone back to that in the bugfix release. I did stretch and copy bits of the soundtrack around it to get it sounding as it does, and I've gotten used to it the way it is so I probably won't alter it.

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DE,

was watching ESB last weekend, and remembered some of my qualms with it (in addition to what you have already listed)

1. Fireball when the Probe droid crashes into the planet is either too small or moves too fast to look like the probe.
2. I can't stand how different the new Wampa looks from the old one. I would suggest removing the new Wampa all together.
3. The sound of Luke shutting off his lightsaber right after the Wampa scene, but the lightsaber stays on.
4. When the fallen AT-AT gets blown up, the chunks falling into the snow and the way the snow reacts makes it look lika a minature. Maybe slow the falling chunks part down?

just some suggestions.

-G
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1. Fireball when the Probe droid crashes into the planet is either too small or moves too fast to look like the probe.

Always looked okay to me... I think it's fairly iconic shot and I don't want to mess with it too much (although I have done, since there is another problem with the sequence...)

2. I can't stand how different the new Wampa looks from the old one. I would suggest removing the new Wampa all together.

I wasn't going to, but maybe I should. There is something incongruous about those new shots.

3. The sound of Luke shutting off his lightsaber right after the Wampa scene, but the lightsaber stays on.


Waaaay ahead of you on that one

4. When the fallen AT-AT gets blown up, the chunks falling into the snow and the way the snow reacts makes it look lika a minature. Maybe slow the falling chunks part down?


To do so and keep the rest of the shot together would take too much work, and it's never looked wrong to me.

just some suggestions.

-G


Thanks! Keep 'em coming!

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2. I can't stand how different the new Wampa looks from the old one. I would suggest removing the new Wampa all together.

Well, the old Wampa looks different from the old wampa in a few shots too. The first one is the sock puppet built by Jon Berg and Phil Tippet. It was the one we see at the first. The second one if the one they filmed on set at Elstree. That had horns on the side of its head.

So, there is a bit of fudging in the original too.

My suggestions for the wampa scene is to keep at least one of the SE shots of the wampa munching on the bone, but darken the scene considerably with one exception-those eyes.

I'd actually try to disguise the wampa as much as possible until the end when it shows him howling after Luke cuts his arm off.

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Here's a small list of changes I'd like to see:

1. Some of the wampa stuff I noted above.
2. If possible, a larger walker attack. Can you do comps Editous?
3. Recomp that shot where the rebel transports are in the background and Joe Johnston talks about the shield to a rebel officer.
4. Restore the "bring my shuttle" line of Vader
5. Take out following SE shot of shuttle on landing pad.
6. Yake out the SE podcar flying through cloud city just prior to showing Leia inside her quarters.
7. Take out Vader landing aboard death st....uhh, star destroyer at the end.
8. Take out shot of Vader's shuttle leaving bespin
9. Take out the elevator moving up in the window shot at could city as Lando takes Han/Leia to dinner, but leave other part of matte vista.
10.put back in "lucky you don't taste very good." Luke to R2.
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I always thought the sound during the SE wampa scenes was miscoordinated or something when they put it together.

Now my memory is a bit unclear here but what I think was wrong was the way we still heard the taunt taun even though it's pretty clear that the monster is munching away on its remains. One shot we see luke, and we hear the taunt taun scream. Next shot it's the monster eating the taun taun. Next shot it's luke and we hear the taun taun scream again. That just didn't seem right to me. DE's probably already noticed this though.
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http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8628/wampa1et.jpg

Fix this please!!

And maybe a new thread for this edit?
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Well, PM's turned on now...finally. I had assumed that since the message link was at the top right of the page that they were on, but I guess not.

I'm new to the forum, but have been following for quite some time. I know Darth Editous may be busy sending out copies of the bug fix DVD over the next few weeks as well as working on the Empire Strike Back, so if someone in the US would be able to make a copy for me of the latest DVD, I'd appreciate it. I'll of course pay you for the disc/shipping/time and send the man a few bucks as well. Please PM me if you can help!

Thanks for the work on this DE

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While re-reading most of this thread (damn it's long) it seems that perhaps the final bugfix DVD isn't even out there. Regardless, I would certainly be willing to participate in the pay-it-forward system.

I also had a thought that if there were a half-dozen or so of us who would be willing to start seeding a torrent of the bug-fix DVD, we could get it out faster to the others who want a copy. I could upload a torrent onto demonoid (been a member for long time) or myspleen or whatever. Provided the others had the same folder/content/labeling that the torrent links to, we could start full seeding right from the get go. In order to prevent any ripping artifacts, sending copies of the raw image file or VIDEO_TS folder on DVD-ROM should ensure matching files and easier seeding.

Just a thought.

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I was thinking I'd start by making the bugfix release available via FTP to a few people, who could then go on to seed to Demonoid/MySpleen, etc (the main reason for this is that I have no idea how to seed!).

So, when I've got my new PC, I'll put an FTP server on it and dish out the details to Savage and anyone else who's interested (including those who can PIF by mail and however else).

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Really looking forward to 2.0! Do you have a final list of the additional revisions you've made (aside from the three posted earlier)?

Any e.t.a. on the release?

Thanks!

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I finally finished my dl of your ANH from demonoid. I haven't watched it all the way through yet, but I skipped through it to see some fixes. Lets me just say THANK YOU for your efforts. The Han/Greedo scene looked absolutly wonderful, I was very impressed. Also the removal of the "jumps" during lightsaber ignitions/de ignitions? were superb. Many other scenes too......too many to list. Let me sum it up by saying this is the ONLY version of ANH I will bother watching now.

Now that I've bowed to your greatness. May I offer a couple suggestions?

1. Lukes saber while training on the facon could use some touching up. It's still too "solid" looking and far too white. (I know thats not your doing, but seeing how well you've touched up other scenes...)

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Rough photoshop touchup
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2. When Leia jumps down the garbage chute, the film was obviously sped up (typical of the 70's)....and the smoke really gives it away. Maybe paint out that speeding puff hehe.

3. The ronto that passes in front of Luke's speeder as they approch the checkpoint in Mos Eisley. Pointless. All it does is give you a screenfull of cgi ronto skin.


I don't know if other people have suggested changes or not. And I know you can't please everyone. Also, I'm not picking at your work. I'm just tossing a bone out there.

thanks

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Savage, there's a full list of changes on page 1 of this thread... happy reading!

Litter:

1. Luke's lightsabre - yeah, it does look pretty crappy, but it's a lot of work and if I change it in that shot, I'd have a hard time excusing myself from changing it in every other shot. I might go back and tweak the colours (that screenshot you posted still looks a bit green), but the colours are so off anyway there doesn't seem to be much point.

2. I can sort of see your point, but I'm not convinced the film's been sped up. I think it's just a couple of smokey flashes coupled with some whippy camera work.

3. Unfortunately the only thing I could replace it with (currently) would be a Laserdisc capture, and I decided at the start that I wouldn't use any lower-quality elements (the only exception will be Sebastian Shaw at the end of RoTJ). Perhaps when the new DVDs come out I'll take another look.

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1. Luke's lightsabre - yeah, it does look pretty crappy, but it's a lot of work and if I change it in that shot, I'd have a hard time excusing myself from changing it in every other shot. I might go back and tweak the colours (that screenshot you posted still looks a bit green), but the colours are so off anyway there doesn't seem to be much point.

Yeah. I know you have a life too. I just brought it up because I know myself (and many others I'm sure) would be thrilled to see that complete scene with a decent blade.

2. I can sort of see your point, but I'm not convinced the film's been sped up. I think it's just a couple of smokey flashes coupled with some whippy camera work.

I watched the scene again and again and again......Now I'm just dizzy....Something looks odd as she makes the jump....but I can't place it.

3. Unfortunately the only thing I could replace it with (currently) would be a Laserdisc capture, and I decided at the start that I wouldn't use any lower-quality elements (the only exception will be Sebastian Shaw at the end of RoTJ). Perhaps when the new DVDs come out I'll take another look.

Point taken and agreed. You don't want to lower the quality. Besides, I always have my laserdisc copy if I want to view the scene in it's original form.

I sat down and watched the scene again. One thing that really jumped out at me was this guy:
http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/9967/ronto9kp.jpg


Here you have a nice crisp looking speeder....with this horrible cgi ronto. It ruins the shot imo.
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Originally posted by: Litter
Yeah. I know you have a life too.

Err... yeeeess...

Here you have a nice crisp looking speeder....with this horrible cgi ronto. It ruins the shot imo.


Well, to be fair, the speeder is nice and crisp because it's really there (and the camera's panning with it), and the CGI is 10 years old (and if they redid it today we'd start complaining about 10 years from now about the horrible CGI Ronto). It's best left in than attempting to do anything with it.

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DE,

Sorry, I guess I didn't make my question all that clear. My bad.

I was referring to the additional changes you've made in the bugfix version. Aside from improving on slow down that takes place before the Jabba scene deletion, moving the subtitile into picture, and fixing the frame before the end credits, what other tweaks have you made to the new version?

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what other tweaks have you made to the new version?


That's all I've changed.

(deleted stuff that belongs in the ESB thread)

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Well, to be fair, the speeder is nice and crisp because it's really there (and the camera's panning with it), and the CGI is 10 years old (and if they redid it today we'd start complaining about 10 years from now about the horrible CGI Ronto). It's best left in than attempting to do anything with it.

DE



Actutally I thought since there was plenty on background in the shot, that the Ronto could be removed all together. Hey, I'm not an editor so I don't know what can or cannot be done. I just saw some amazing work done with ANH (is there brown on my nose?) and figured I'd ask about a few extra tweaks.


DE....I've had your disc spinning on repeat all day. Top notch job overall.
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Originally posted by: Litter
Actutally I thought since there was plenty on background in the shot, that the Ronto could be removed all together. Hey, I'm not an editor so I don't know what can or cannot be done.

Palpy: "Can it be done?"

Well, I guess it could be. Replacing the background would be fairly easy (there are some perspective changes but that can be taken care of), but the real problem would be painting in the speeder. It was tricky enough when I removed the very skinny and full-of-holes droid at the front of the Mos Eisley sequence. The speeder is hidden for a good few frames and changes angle to the camera.

DE....I've had your disc spinning on repeat all day. Top notch job overall.




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Will you be using the new O-OT disc to restore original shots and sequences altogether now?
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Will you be using the new O-OT disc to restore original shots and sequences altogether now?


Only if it's exactly as good as the 2004/6 OT. Which it might just be, after the quote someone dug up on another thread. But I wouldn't, for example, replace that Ronto shot with the original shot with the vaseline blur under the speeder. I would consider things like putting back the old shot of Ben's hut, though.

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I was actually thinking of the Sandtrooper scene, but those are interesting points as well.
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