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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD — Page 17

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I think lowering that MP3 an octave would be better.


Are you using "octave" literally? That's equivalent to running at half speed, which would make it incomprehensible - even just half an octave would make him sound like the Mysterons. I could get away with a semitone or two, but I don't really see the need - he'll sound different to his appearance in RoTJ.

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No, I wasn't using it literally.
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
Anyone got any bright ideas how I could go about removing Palpatine from a frame, so I've got a clean background to work with? At first I thought taking the darkest pixel from every frame might work, but it doesn't. For what I want to do, I need as accurate a background as possible.

DE


Aren't there a few frames of just clean background right before the hologram appears? Maybe you could isolate and work with that.

EDIT: Oops, nevermind. I just watched the scene and the hologram appears during a side-angle while Vader is kneeling. I guess that idea is shot.

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EDIT: Oops, nevermind. I just watched the scene and the hologram appears during a side-angle while Vader is kneeling. I guess that idea is shot.


Yep I've used the side shot for tests so far, which look promising, but what I really need is that other background.

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Darth Editous, if you ever plan on diving back into ANH, I noticed another error that has probably been there since 77.

When Luke is trying to get R2 to play Leia's message for the first time in his shop, the recording keeps repeating over and over. The first two times it stays focused on the recording and we can hear the message. Then, the recording keeps repeating, but the focus cuts between Luke, C3P0 and the recording. Yet, we cease to be able to hear it. At the very least, it should be audible in the rear speakers.

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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Darth Editous, if you ever plan on diving back into ANH, I noticed another error that has probably been there since 77.

When Luke is trying to get R2 to play Leia's message for the first time in his shop, the recording keeps repeating over and over. The first two times it stays focused on the recording and we can hear the message. Then, the recording keeps repeating, but the focus cuts between Luke, C3P0 and the recording. Yet, we cease to be able to hear it. At the very least, it should be audible in the rear speakers.


Maybe Artoo just muted it.

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Originally posted by: InfoDroid
Maybe Artoo just muted it.



HAHAHA, and randomly restarts playing the audio..when he really doesn't want to play it for Luke?
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It was worth a try.

No more loose wire jokes.

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Originally posted by: Darth Editous
Anyone got any bright ideas how I could go about removing Palpatine from a frame, so I've got a clean background to work with? At first I thought taking the darkest pixel from every frame might work, but it doesn't. For what I want to do, I need as accurate a background as possible.

DE

I was watching it and, there are a few frames where he's darker then usual and, the backround shows through.

Frame 1:
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Frame 2:
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Frame 3:
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http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1425/pdvd0134cr.png

I don't think he get's any darker then those above frames. Also, if this can be of any help here's a capture of the Emperor in the story of Star Wars DVD.

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3082/pdvd0148gs.th.png
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3082/pdvd0148gs.png

Hope this helps.


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I was watching it and, there are a few frames where he's darker then usual and, the backround shows through.


Thanks for picking those out - although they are the darkest frames I think I still need to get something closer to the real background for my technique to be succesful.

Is anyone still waiting to pay forward? I still get the occasional PM about copies, both PAL and NTSC, but just haven't had the time to clear out my PMs so I can reply!

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Originally posted by: Darth Editous

Is anyone still waiting to pay forward? I still get the occasional PM about copies, both PAL and NTSC, but just haven't had the time to clear out my PMs so I can reply!

DE


I can pay forward the NTSC version to the first 3 people who PM me.

Erik

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Does this help at all?

http://www.theforce.net/humor/captioning/pics/caption15.jpg
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That's a nice find CC, but unfortunately I need a near-perfect match for the original. Once I've got that, I can (sort of) extract the Emperor from the scene, do what I need to do to him, and then place him back onto the background. I don't want to give away exactly what I'm going to do, but it should make the effect look more like it was created in 1980 than 2004.

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Mailpoke, DE.
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Pardon the cross-post, but it is hopefully clear why one would be necessary.

For those of you who expressed interest in such a project, there is a separate thread now for The Darth Editous / ADigitalMan Hybrid Edition of ANH. To cut down on confusion, lets keep the conversation about that edit in that thread.
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Hello Darth,

not sure if this is the right thread but I was just wondering what the status of your War of the Worlds edit is? I so wished S.S. had included the 'house sucking' delete scene on the dvd.

Cheers.
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“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Just watched DE's ANH on Saturday. It's really awesome.

There are only a few things that remain that I wish Darth Editous would have fixed. And I like the way he fixed everything he did fix except for one.

When cutting out the Jabba scene, the Imperial informant slows down before it cuts to Luke and Ben. It's just a little jarring.

Everything else is an improvement. Even Luke saying "yeah" after han says "you in kid?" is done really well.

Anyway, I can pay forward the NTSC version to 3 people. PM me.

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When cutting out the Jabba scene, the Imperial informant slows down before it cuts to Luke and Ben. It's just a little jarring.

Unfortunately it wasn't possible to reconstruct any more frames, and I wanted to get it to the same number of frames as the OOT. In an ideal world I would have used something like VidFire (I might even have a stab at retiming it myself but I don't expect great results).

I so wished S.S. had included the 'house sucking' delete scene on the dvd.


House sucking...?

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I watched the Official release last night, then watched DE's edit. I cannot give you enough praise for doing this! The edit work is top notch! Yours should have been the official release. Of particular note are the following amazing edits which are my favorites and are perfectly done:

0. The Star Wars logo recedes too quickly. I interpolated new frames to slow it down to the right speed.
1. Fixed the jump cut after R2 and 3PO cross the corridor (watch the Stormtroopers in the background)
6. When 3PO and R2 are in the pod, the Star Destroyer recedes into the background. Unfortunately so do the stars, which is not what they should see. I've replaced the stars with non-receeding ones.
7. Vader takes a very pantomimish stance when Leia is brought to him - I've cut that out.
8. Moved the restraining bolt on R2, which appears in the wrong position in one shot.
9. When 3PO stands up the Sandcrawler, his eyes blink off for half second. I've fixed that.
10. I've cut the SE Tatooine stormtroopers, so this part is now almost identical to the OT (but the CGI Dewback is still there in the background, and I've shortened the preceeding shot of the Sandcrawler).
16. I've morphed Luke and Ben, and adjusted 3PO, so the jump cut is not so obvious when he turns on the lightsabre (the lightsabre also visibly extends).
17. Mos Eisley. I've painted out (but kept the shot) the humanoid droid smacking down the floating droid as the speeder enters Mos Eisley. The shot with the Ronto throwing it's Jawa riders is cut.
19. I've fixed a few frames as the speeder approaches the Cantina, where the shadows were not correctly painted.
20. In the same scene, a ship in the background flys in front of two moisture vaporators, which makes it appear to be tiny. I've moved it behind the vaporators.
21. I've painted out Batboy's transparent eyes.
22. Greedo's subtitles are now "burnt" into the video, with the same font as the SE Laserdiscs.
24. The single frame of Greedo before he fries is no longer a poor dummy.
25. Jabba - you're cut! I've done my best to reconstruct the OT here, right down to matching the number of frames in the transition.
26. The sync on Ben's line ("If the ship's as fast as he's boasting...") was out by 600ms (15 frames).
27. I've painted in the radar dish on the Falcon as it sits in docking bay 94 (just before "What a piece of junk!").
29. Before Leia is brought to Tarkin, there's a shot of him and another officer standing in front of a poorly projected picture of Alderaan. I've replaced the projection with a shot of Alderaan from later, replicating the original shading and size.
31. The stars behind the Death Star jump (as if a few frames were cut) as the Death Star fires - I fixed that.
32. Just after Alderaan bites the big one, Luke's lightsabre is green! Now it's blue - and I've shortened it because at one point the tip remains completely out of frame, causing it to appear far too long.
35. Vader no longer gestures after finishing his sentence (the shot remains the same length).
38. I've cut the DVD-addition line "There's no-one here." as the Stormtroopers leave the Falcon. The alternative was making the second Stormtrooper reply, "Duh!"
40. While our heroes wait for an elevator, a guy goes by first in a light shirt, then in a dark shirt. Now he just wears a dark shirt.
43. After Luke says "It just let go of me and disappeared!" the scene cuts to Leia, at which point all ambient noise suddenly diminishes. I pasted in some sounds to make the transition smoother.
44. The sound of the Stormtrooper hitting his head is so loud it sounds like a comedy sound effect. Alternative sounds didn't work out, so now he just doesn't bump his head - he hangs back until the lead trooper has entered the room.
46. Two overhead shots of Ben at the Tractor Beam Station needed the colours of the matte painting corrected. The DVD was better than the LD, but there was still room for improvement.
47. Before the cut-away to Leia ("No wait, they'll here!"), Han's gun emits a puff of smoke even though he hasn't fired it yet (painted out).
53. When Luke sees the duel from a distance, Ben's lightsabre is already raised and neither sabre is painted. The sabres are now painted in the right positions.
54. When Ben gets cut down, I've added in his face so it looks less like an empty cloak.
55. I've painted Vader's sabre red in a few uncoloured scenes (when he's in the background behind the Stormtroopers).
56. When Han asks "You in kid?" Luke now replies "Yeah," before Han's "Okay, stay sharp."
57. The Falcon shudders as the TIEs pass, but the shake effect on Han and Luke is entirely horizontal and shows no motion blur. I've added rotational and translational movement, and some motion blur.
59. There's a shot of R2 and 3PO in the curved seat on the Falcon. Look closely behind Artoo - for a few frames at the end, a head (probably Luke) appears. I've painted it out.
65. I've fixed the Death Star schematic that appears on the monitor and in the briefing. The weapon bowl should appear above the equatorial trench, not on it.
66. The clock on the Death Star screen during the attack is now consistent with the announcements. One shot required colour correction to match all other shots of the clock.
69. Something I think everyone will be pleased about is that I've been able to restore the missing fanfare, after Red Leader says "I'm gonna cut across the axis and try and draw their fire." I used the Special Edition soundtrack CD as my source. The music was still there in the rear channels, incidentally - it definitely wasn't a creative decision!
72. I've added an X-Wing to the shot where Luke looks down to see Red Leader bite the dust. It always bugged me that there was an explosion with no visible cause.
79. As our heroes make their way to get their awards, one rebel in the background raises his hand just before a cut - I've painted it out. Maybe he needed the bathroom.
80. Leia's [hands] now don't start moving up a few frames before the credits begin.
81. Denis Lawson's name is now spelt correctly in the end credits.

Here are my comments on some of the other edits:

13. I've painted the reappearing red R2 unit green to fix the continuity error.
*I really wish R5 wasn't there at all.

14. There's a bad cut in the music (it completely drops out for a fraction of a second) when we see the Sandpeople mounting their Bantha - fixed.
*still noticable, but better

15. I've edited out the wall hanging/cloak thing behind Luke to fix a continuity error (but in a weird way - more on that later).
*That is weird. It seems to disappear when luke stands up, as if he knocked it down, but then it re-appears in a latter shot.

23. Han fires first!
*wish this was more like the OOT, but it works well just the way it is, and is a huge improvement.

30. Moff Tarkin's line "...then name the system!" has been graphic equalized to mask the poor audio quality.
*Could still be better. I only say this because before the DVDs came out someone posted this as a MP3 clip that I thought I would try to EQ. I think I got it perfect, but yours is still not quite as good as it could be.

42. The line "I had it all under control until you led us down here!" was of particularly bad quality, so I've replaced it with the same line from the SE LD.
*Now Chewie's bark during this line sounds funny

51. On the DVD, they claimed to have fixed Ben's unpainted lightsabre (just before we cut to our heroes getting to the docking bay). All they did was add the glow, but they forgot to paint the white core. Another shot around this one had a similar problem for a frame or two.
*Now if only the saber wasn't purple in some shots!

Again, amazing work! I only point out the few criticisms I have in the hopes that they will one day be even better, and to give honest feedback on your edit.

-G
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65 and 66 remain my two favorite fixes in a disc full of wonderful stuff.
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Definitaly. Seeing the new DS schematic makes my jaw drop. Same with #27. Brilliant!
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Any progress getting a torrent of this up?
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Mailpoke, DE.
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.