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i had the idea of tracking new features onto wedge during the breifing scenes, since his actor was replaced, and probably using radio drama audio to replace his voice

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With my V2 of my TLJ:L project and TFA:R V3 being nearly ready to go, I would like to turn my attention to this project, starting with ANH.

Does anyone have a copy of Adywan’s color corrected version of ANH he put out in September? I suspect that will be the best place to start. I don’t know what else I may need until I get started, though I suspect it’ll be a little easier than ROTJ, which I may need some help with the Sarlacc sequence for.

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Hal 9000 said:

With my V2 of my TLJ:L project and TFA:R V3 being nearly ready to go, I would like to turn my attention to this project, starting with ANH.

I’m just going to be honest: I feel like it would be best to wait for Adywan as the improvements in video quality alone are substantial. ANH will be released in HD eventually by him. Maybe work on ESB first?

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I think Hal is trying to get Ady’s HD regrade of ANH that he’ll be using for Revisited HD to use as a base for this much like he did with ESB, correct? Hal only kept, what, 3 things from ESB:R?

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Ash is right: I am hoping to get my hands on Adywan’s color corrected ANH, not the final Revisited project.

And ESB is already 100% complete, and released! I knew for a long time I wanted to wait for ESB:R to use the Emperor scene.

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Hal 9000 said:

I have long wanted to put together a definitive “custom Special Edition” version of the OT, ever since I was aware of there being two (at that time) different versions of the movies out there. I couldn’t do justice to the incredible preservation work this community has produced in the last 15 years, so I will not attempt to go into that here.

Below is an outline for one such project which requires idealized versions of source material that doesn’t exist. This project will more than likely never actually be produced, though I wanted to at least spell out a specific plan for what I would like to do.

What stands in the way of completing this project, and what are its goals?

The goal would simply be to harmonize the various official versions of the films to produce a suitable ‘custom Special Edition’ version to compliment one’s OOT preservation of choice. It would not be intended as a definitive version, and certainly not as a replacement to the OOT. But, it should still be a consistent and quality presentation of fundamentally the same films.

The biggest obstacle would be source material. I would not want to venture on a project like this until relatively stable source material exists. The primary source would be a color corrected 2011 BluRay transfer, with a secondary being a yet-future 1080p “final” Despecialized Edition. These two sources ought to be color corrected to closely match each other, by whatever means, as a starting point.

Several of these changes would require manual FX work. In these instances, we would move beyond the goal of strictly picking and choosing from various versions of the films. Sometimes this would be needed in order to pick and choose between elements present within the same shot, or when merely cutting between versions would not do. Sometimes it is desired to use a SE shot, but extended manually in order to match the timing of the original. These have been specified below.

So, here is my dream list of (visual) changes to the 2011 BluRay master, save for color correction and all the preliminary cleanup. Again, I don’t expect that the stars will ever align to see this actually get made, but here it is anyway.

ANH:

  • Ala Adywan, recreate the timing of the crawl in relation to the music (including the timing of Tatooine entering the frame), while retaining "Episode IV: A New Hope.”

  • If using NeverarGreat’s technicolor 2011 (tweaked slightly) version as the base, ask Neverar to export a version of R2’s jump cut-less shot. (He re-added a jump cut for his version.)

  • Add missing SE vaporators to one shot. (Or simply use OOT to remove them from the first shot.)

  • Use OOT in order to include the “cone of light” emitted from R2’s projector for three shots in Luke’s garage.

  • Remove the ghostly image of Luke caused by a (re-)compositing mistake right before Owen calls (sings) for Luke in the morning.

  • Get rid of the rocks added in front of R2 for the 2011 version.

  • Use the 2004 version of the Krayt Dragon call (with the original available in an alternate audio track)

  • Mos Eisley entrance. I want to keep enough of the CGI expanded atmosphere to have other short bits fit in nicely, such as when the Falcon takes off.

    • The speeder approaches the city…
    • Use SE shot of speeder, the one with mirror image troopers added.
    • If possible, given music and pacing, include the OOT establishing shot which went on to include a Jawa swinging from a Ronto
    • OOT version of ‘traffic stop’ sequence.
    • Beginning with final shot of ‘traffic stop’ sequence, or perhaps beginning with the next shot, use 2011 footage to include expanded establishing shots and added Rontos and dewback in front of cantina.
  • Use OOT to reinclude the Wolfman for two shots.

  • Use OOT to remove Greedo shooting at Han.

  • Use OOT to remove the SE flying droid accompanying the troopers as they search for the droids.

  • Remove the SE Jabba the Hutt scene using OOT.

  • While retaining the SE version of the Alderaan explosion, manually remove the added shockwave. [Would be nice to not have every major explosion in the OT, and only the OT, have a shockwave. This way, only Death Stars do this. Or, alternatively, you could have ONLY Alderaan do this, while neither Death Star would.]

  • Use OOT to reinstate the blaster flashes that were censored in a few SE shots.

  • Manually reanimate a blinking light in a wide shot of the Death Star which was accidentally removed for the SE.

  • Use pre-2004 footage to use the original dianoga.

  • Ala Adywan, depict the Falcon as being in hyperspace (blue) during the “not a bad bit of rescuing” scene.

  • Ala Adywan, retain the SE Biggs scene, though smooth R2’s vertical trajectory to avoid an awkward jump cut masked by a passerby in the foreground. [If this was done, use the line, "Blast it, Biggs, where are you,” and use Adywan’s audio idea to let Luke acknowledge his friend’s death.]

Potentially use the OOT Death Star explosion, depending on what was possible about Alderaan. [See Alderaan explosion comment.]

  • Idea: manually modify R2’s red/blue light to reflect the rest of the saga ONLY during the final scene, after he was shot during the battle

  • Manually fix the SE’s little issue where Leia starts to move her hands upward right as the frame freezes as we wipe to credits.

  • (A few different audio mixes could be created to provide multiple options, such as a “mostly 2011” mix or a “mostly 1997” mix, etc.)


ESB:

  • Stick with the SE wampa scene, but use OOT (or a manual transition) to remove one particular Wampa cutaway shot as Luke dangles after his initial attempt to reach the saber.

  • Use pre-2004 footage to feature the original framing of all Falcon cockpit scenes which were zoomed in for the 2004 version.

  • Use Adywan’s version of the Emperor scene. Another slight deviation from the rules, though very much in the spirit of hybridizing the OOT and SE. Worth making a slight exception.

  • Use pre-2011 footage to remove the added CGI sparks as Chewie struggles with the ughnauts to reclaim 3PO.

  • Use OOT to remove the added elevator outside a new window in the Cloud City hallway which poses continuity issues later in the scene.

  • Manually fix the scale issue between the added Cloud City balcony and our heroes as they run past. (The scene where they meet up with R2.) Could borrow from Adywan, though would need to use the SE’s version of the sky over his for continuity’s sake.

  • Recreate original content and timing of the Falcon’s escape, removing the added sequence of Vader’s shuttle landing aboard the Star Destroyer. (No FX work needed.)

  • I can imagine creating at least two audio mixes for this one: “mostly 1997 SE” and “mostly 2011 (including new Boba Fett voice).”


ROTJ:

  • Use pre-2011 footage for the establishing shot of the exterior of Jabba’s front door.

  • Use OOT for Lapti Nek.

  • Use the SE addition of Oola falling into the Rancor pit, without other SE elements prior (no FX work needed).

  • Either use OOT or apply manual work in order to remove two SE shots of Boba Fett with the SE backup singers.

  • Use pre-2011 footage to remove the added CGI effects as Han is thawed out.

  • Use pre-2011 footage to remove the added CGI dug prior to Luke entering Jabba’s throne room.

  • Use pre-2011 footage to remove any and all CGI blinking ewoks.

  • Use pre-2011 footage to remove CGI additions to R2 after he is shot while trying to break into the bunker.

  • Use OOT, or manual work, to remove the added shockwave around the second Death Star explosion.

  • Use the 2011 galactic celebration montage, modified: Matching the 1997 SE’s timing and audio, replace Tatooine with Naboo manually.

  • Use pre-2004 footage to feature Sebastian Shaw as Anakin Skywalker’s ghostly visage.

  • I wouldn’t imagine a great deal of fruit in any alternate audio tracks for this one.

And about the Fox logo, is it going to be 2013-present variant? Plus, the Lucasfilm logo from 2015-present should be used. And the Fox logo is kept in ESB and ROTJ.

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No, I will use the 20th Century Fox and LFL logos that the 1997 SEs used, the same as the prequels. That is reflective of the era its from (the Special Edition, I mean).

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The already released Empire fanedit has the prequel-era logos on it.

(edit: whoops, looks like I took so long to make this comment that Hal himself beat me too it, sorry)

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I have a suggestion, I don’t know if it can be done but I suggested this in the Adywan ANH fourm but thought if you’re open to, It’s quite small.

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My small suggestion is adding thruster efx to the tie fighter chasing Luke. “I can’t shake him !” IDK why no one at Industrial Light and Magic or Lucas let that go by. The Original shot had the thruster light showed on the back of the tie. Does that sound like a plausible idea to be done ?

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ZaneFlare92 said:

My small suggestion is adding thruster efx to the tie fighter chasing Luke. “I can’t shake him !” IDK why no one at Industrial Light and Magic or Lucas let that go by. The Original shot had the thruster light showed on the back of the tie. Does that sound like a plausible idea to be done ?

If someone would care to supply this change, I certainly wouldn’t mind using it. Can’t say I ever noticed that one. You learn something new every day, even about Star Wars.

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As talented of a team you have that helps you with these Im sure it could be done. What’s even more baffling they had thruster efx for the shots of the tie chasing Biggs in the SE. Also the efx of the thrusters are there when Wedge takes out the fighter after Luke. A bit faded but it’s there. You’d figure as close and we follow the tie for that couple seconds it would’ve been a no brainier for ILM. Something that always look weird to me lol.

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Well, I’d love to get started on either ANH or ROTJ soon, since after a few months I won’t be able to do much at a time, but I need a primary source for color correction.
I’m still hoping to get ahold of Adywan’s color corrected ANH, and I actually don’t know of any similar thing for ROTJ aside from the one Adywan is currently working on. Time is very much of the essence, or it’ll have to wait until sometime after IX, if at all. I guess we’ll have to see.

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What are your thoughts on using Neverar’s ANH correction instead of Ady’s?

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Depheros said:

ChainsawAsh said:

What are your thoughts on using Neverar’s ANH correction instead of Ady’s?

+1

Honestly, I would totally understand if he didn’t want to use that version, because although it does fix innumerable problems with the Blu-ray and I believe the color is quite accurate to the print, it does feel like a departure from the rest of the OT.

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I think Neverar’s ANH looks great. Ideally, I’d have something a little more 1997 SE than OOT, though. Granted, ANH’s 1997 color grade wasn’t impeccable.

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I’m planning to begin work on ANH within a week, after going ahead and shelling out for Usenet to get Adywan’s color corrected 2011 ANH master.

I may reach out for help with a few things as I go, but the one thing I know I would love is if someone would be able to modify the visuals of the Falcon right after they escape the Death Star (en route to Yavin IV) as being in hyperspace. Ideally, it’d be a rough match for how hyperspace has been depicted in the Disney era films, or perhaps just a little ‘slower, less intense.’

The project will be happily concluded whether or not this can be done, as its outside the specified philosophical core of the goal. 😃

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You can always upscale ANH:R for that section in a pinch.

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No, I don’t want upscaled DVD footage for this one. This one is supposed to be somewhat robust, at least for a partial SE at 1080p.

Like I said, while it would be nice to have, it won’t hold anything up since it’s never been a part of any official version, which are what I’m hybridizing.

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Hal 9000 said:

Well, it probably won’t exist for some time, if at all. And even then, the DTS 1997 SE audio will likely be my primary source, which would rule out any alternate language tracks.

I actually think the Broadcast version is better although only stereo it is just better IMO… Might be slight parts missing due to adverts and so on but you can get it off archive at the mo.

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Ronster said:

Hal 9000 said:

Well, it probably won’t exist for some time, if at all. And even then, the DTS 1997 SE audio will likely be my primary source, which would rule out any alternate language tracks.

I actually think the Broadcast version is better although only stereo it is just better IMO… Might be slight parts missing due to adverts and so on but you can get it off archive at the mo.

How is it better than cinema DTS, laserdisc Dolby 5.1, or laserdisc PCM stereo?

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Well It sounds very clear and very punchy and well defined you would have to compare for yourself but yeah would need patching over in the adverts… Best I ever heard it though personally.

Don’t have the mixes you speak of but much better than the 97 Laserdisc PCM.

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Would anyone able be willing to remove the dewback on the far right of this shot? Doing so would allow me to retime the sequence to match the OOT’s timing rather than having it go by rather abruptly.

It’s the following shot:

Here’s the shot in ProRes. [REDACTED; No longer needed]

EDIT: Sir Ridley was able to complete this already! 😄

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So I get you remove all the SE shots but keep the single original dewback in its SE animated version ?