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The ‘Custom Special Edition’ That Almost Wasn’t, But Then Was (Released) — Page 35

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

But if you know somebody with a convincing Kiwi accent you might be able to use that new 11 labs feature which basically applies a voice filter.

Funny enough I just tried this with the original Temuera Morrison lines on the Blu-Ray using Battlefront II lines as the voice sample and it worked. It doesn’t sound any better than the original Blu-Ray lines though, just different. We’d need someone with a kiwi accent who can record a better delivery of the lines.

EDIT: Surprisingly, spelling things out phonetically helps a lot. I put some more tests in the folder.

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Wow, what an amazing project. May I please have a download link to view?

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PM sent.

I have fixed the audio oversight about Kenobi saying “A Jedi master who instructed me” in ESB, and refined the color correction a bit as well purely because I had to rerelease it for that reason. It’ll be updated soon.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I’m new to the forum but a lifelong fan of Star Wars. I’ve been trying to track down the Hal9000 edits of the ANH, ESB and ROTJ. Is it possible for someone to PM the links?

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ESB has now been updated in the usual places to address the audio error of Kenobi’s line change being accidentally omitted. While I was at it, I used DrDre’s Color Matching Tool to further tweak the colors for several scenes. Nothing lifechanging, but a bit better since I had to reupload it anyway.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Awesome; thanks for sharing this - going to be binging these movies very soon.

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Hi, Hal. Would you be willing to share your overarching philosophy as it pertains to this project? What governs your decisions to use the theatrical over the SE, and what guides your choice to introduce your own personal changes?

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My introduction to Star Wars came around the time of TPM, and before I had my own copy of the OT we would rent them from Blockbuster. On the shelf there was the ‘Faces’ trilogy as well as one labeled ‘Special Edition.’ So I’d rented both versions a time or two before ultimately (my parents) buying a copy of the SE on VHS (the box set with Vader on the box which farts if you close it just right). A while later, I got into this forum and appreciated the preservation of the original versions which turned out to be discarded by the LFL.

So when I play the movies in my head I get a mix of the OOT and SE.

By the time I get to this project a few years ago there are many sources for both versions as well as other fan projects that do all sorts of things visually to the movies. For example, Adywan’s Revisited project which radically overhauls the visuals are very impressive and enjoyable. However, the feel of watching the movie is rather different as well. My personal preference is to retain the overall character of the original filmmaking even if select things the SE updated remain. (If the SE never existed I don’t think I’d feel a need to do this at all, but since I grew up on it, it seems natural to want to make a hybrid personal version.)

So, I wanted to mostly stick with just hybridizing the OOT and SE versions, and that was my guideline. Filmmaking things like small continuity errors or misaligned effects don’t usually bother me. So I tried to thread the needle between the various official versions, guided by my sense of taste. For ANH, I wanted to retain the SE’s improved visuals of certain locations and ships but avoid ugly CGI creatures in the foreground. However, the latter can’t be done fully without sacrificing a sense of cohesion (wondering why so many establishing shots were redone but not the speeder approaching Mos Eisley, for instance). So I tried to strike a balance in that regard. For ESB, I don’t mind most of the SE changes but I removed those that threw off the pacing. I don’t have a lot of love for the SE of ROTJ, so this one leans toward the original version while keeping some of the SE touches. And of course I present both endings because people tend to have strong preferences for them.

I did decide to include a few changes made by fans as well, but only when I felt they were ‘demanded’ by the movies themselves in a way. The hyperspace tunnel in ANH after they escape the Death Star solves a problem since dialogue and the sound design places the scene in hyperspace despite no visual evidence of this.

Then there are fan changes to SE changes. To me if the SE tried something but fell short of what it seems to be trying to do, it makes sense to use fan changes that help it. For instance, Adywan fixing a continuity error about Cloud City’s interior windows which was caused by the SE forgetting to add a window later in a scene where it should still be visible. Or the SE Emperor in ESB being made to look a lot better. (Or me trying to make the Temeura Morrison redub of Boba Fett sound a little more menacing than his '04 DVD recording that sounded literally phoned in with one take.)

Ultimately I’d like the original trilogy to thread the needle between the original filmmaking, noble aspects of the SE, sensible tweaks for continuity with the ever-spreading body of other SW works, and feel ‘right’ to my younger self who was equally familiar with both official versions. Inevitably this cannot be perfect, but that’s why it’s simply my ‘custom special edition’ take which I’d want to have on a shelf alongside the best available presentation of the original versions.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Thanks for the insight Hal.
I love reads like this, finding out how people got into Star Wars and what helps with their deciding factors when making edits and cuts.

Found this really interesting as for me your custom editions are my go to as they have the right blend of what I think for me personally should be included in a SE without it becoming a CGI fest.

Thanks Hal.

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Hal 9000 said:

My introduction to Star Wars came around the time of TPM, and before I had my own copy of the OT we would rent them from Blockbuster. On the shelf there was the ‘Faces’ trilogy as well as one labeled ‘Special Edition.’ So I’d rented both versions a time or two before ultimately (my parents) buying a copy of the SE on VHS (the box set with Vader on the box which farts if you close it just right). A while later, I got into this forum and appreciated the preservation of the original versions which turned out to be discarded by the LFL.

So when I play the movies in my head I get a mix of the OOT and SE.

By the time I get to this project a few years ago there are many sources for both versions as well as other fan projects that do all sorts of things visually to the movies. For example, Adywan’s Revisited project which radically overhauls the visuals are very impressive and enjoyable. However, the feel of watching the movie is rather different as well. My personal preference is to retain the overall character of the original filmmaking even if select things the SE updated remain. (If the SE never existed I don’t think I’d feel a need to do this at all, but since I grew up on it, it seems natural to want to make a hybrid personal version.)

So, I wanted to mostly stick with just hybridizing the OOT and SE versions, and that was my guideline. Filmmaking things like small continuity errors or misaligned effects don’t usually bother me. So I tried to thread the needle between the various official versions, guided by my sense of taste. For ANH, I wanted to retain the SE’s improved visuals of certain locations and ships but avoid ugly CGI creatures in the foreground. However, the latter can’t be done fully without sacrificing a sense of cohesion (wondering why so many establishing shots were redone but not the speeder approaching Mos Eisley, for instance). So I tried to strike a balance in that regard. For ESB, I don’t mind most of the SE changes but I removed those that threw off the pacing. I don’t have a lot of love for the SE of ROTJ, so this one leans toward the original version while keeping some of the SE touches. And of course I present both endings because people tend to have strong preferences for them.

I did decide to include a few changes made by fans as well, but only when I felt they were ‘demanded’ by the movies themselves in a way. The hyperspace tunnel in ANH after they escape the Death Star solves a problem since dialogue and the sound design places the scene in hyperspace despite no visual evidence of this.

Then there are fan changes to SE changes. To me if the SE tried something but fell short of what it seems to be trying to do, it makes sense to use fan changes that help it. For instance, Adywan fixing a continuity error about Cloud City’s interior windows which was caused by the SE forgetting to add a window later in a scene where it should still be visible. Or the SE Emperor in ESB being made to look a lot better. (Or me trying to make the Temeura Morrison redub of Boba Fett sound a little more menacing than his '04 DVD recording that sounded literally phoned in with one take.)

Ultimately I’d like the original trilogy to thread the needle between the original filmmaking, noble aspects of the SE, sensible tweaks for continuity with the ever-spreading body of other SW works, and feel ‘right’ to my younger self who was equally familiar with both official versions. Inevitably this cannot be perfect, but that’s why it’s simply my ‘custom special edition’ take which I’d want to have on a shelf alongside the best available presentation of the original versions.

Thank you for taking the time to write this. I wanted to know the intent behind this project, and you answered my questions perfectly.

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New to the forum and new to the world of fan edits. I managed to track down your LOTR Kerr edits and most of the Star Wars ones, just missing The Rise of the Skywalker. Not sure if you have a link that has all your work or if you can PM me the one for The Rise of the Skywalker - Ascendant only?
Thanks and love the work!

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Quick question, sorry if this had already been touched upon Hal. Is there a version with Hayden at the end as a force ghost in your cut of RofJ? I use to be adament about Shaw remaining in the end of RotJ. However, with Anakin now appearing in Ahsoka as the Hayden version and in your edit of TRoS I would love to have his version included at the end for continuity sake while watching the various films and tv shows in order.

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Hal, I understand. I have dabbled in the past with some minor editing so I may see if I can give it a shot. I was just making sure there was not a version that already existed before trying my hand at it. Thanks for the quick reply; love all your work!

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I feel like a crazy person trying to track down a way to download these versions…mind you this whole forum has me feeling like a crazy person since I discovered it this morning.

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Holy cow reading this, it seems amazing! I’d love to check it out. Is there a download link anywhere?

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Just want to say that as someone who grew up primarily with the SE, I chose to show this version of A New Hope to my roommate for his first time viewing. He really enjoyed it and wasn’t taken out of the movie by any of the updated effects. Afterward I showed him a video comparing the theatrical and the special editions and he was baffled by the changes to the Greedo scene, the Jabba scene, and the extended Mos Eisley entrance. I think this is a good sign you chose the right balance of SE and theatrical elements.

Minor quibble, I saw this text appear in the subtitles, which I’m pretty sure is a mistake, I can easily edit the srt file myself but wanted to let you know: https://imgur.com/ss3LUI2

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Good to hear, thanks for sharing!

And I’m aware of that subtitle issue from where I snagged the srt from. It’s been fixed for next release. Still may be waiting a while all the same.

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Hi Team. Is it possible to have link for this ones? I would love to watch it

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This is amazing! Can I get a link to this project? (Especially Return of the Jedi)

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I’m releasing a Version 4 for ANH, in order to publish the best of what I can do with what I have. That way, in case hoped-for footage from TMWNN, Dat_SW_Guy, or Adywan never materialize, this project can be complete. Or at least not in limbo. The door will remain open to update these OT Custom SE projects if new source material compels it.

The primary difference is a new color grade, which I find more appealing and is based loosely on Adywan’s color corrected 2011 BluRay transfer. (Big thanks to DrDre for his color correction tool; not possible otherwise.) Used DSG’s Alderaan explosion, and TMWNN’s “I don’t like the look of this” to remove foreground CG dewback but keep the one in the background.

On Drive now, will pop up elsewhere soon.

My stance on revising fan edits.