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thejediknighthusezni said:

If he decides in his mind that the next time he feels an impulse he's going to ignore females and pursue a homosexual guy who is much easier to obtain, THAT...IS...A...CCHHOICEEEE!

You mean, he decides he's in love with a guy despite the fact that he lives in a country where that love is crime. A decision that will see him beaten, tortured, raped, ostracised by his family, forced to seek refuge in another country or publically executed then he's made a pretty dumb choice!

... or just maybe he was born that way and the world is full of intolerant assholes.

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thejediknighthusezni said:

TV's Frink said:

More "just because you were born homosexual doesn't mean you have to have sex" bullshit.

        Oops, I didn't get the point across very well.

        A carnival geek might have been born with a hightened response to risk-taking behavior (rush of adrinalin?). If you try to tell me that some people are just born carnival geeks, well, that will be where I jump off the bandwagon. The geek might have been a hang-glider pilot or a deep-sea diver instead. Some radical things must have happened in the geek's environmental developement to cause him to overcome all the natural aversions to eating roaches and broken glass.

 That's even more bull-shittier.

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This discussion is always best avoided if you don't want to lose friends. Both sides of the fence will not change. I'm not saying they need to scrap their beliefs, we should just end the violence surrounding it. We can't disagree without a fight these days.

It's like pretending racism is over. If you think racism is gone, you live in a cave. Sexism is strong, on both fronts as well.

I could care less if you don't agree with me. I'd hate myself for being politically correct these days.

I firmly believe people are either born gay, or become that way after an event changes them. I've had friends I remember in grade school that had came out of the closet as an adult, and in hindsight, I think "That makes a lot of sense."

Do I agree with homosexual sex? No. Is it my place to tell somebody they can't have sex? NOT AT ALL.

As long as I have the right to believe what I believe, I'm a happy camper. Not gonna stone somebody else for what they believe. 

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Mrebo said:

What motivated this thread?

I think people are born homosexual or heterosexual but can exhibit behavior of the either orientation for various psychological reasons. I wish there weren't all the campaigns and insistence upon a monolithic "community" (a feeling not limited to this topic btw). When it comes to sexuality I don't think it necessary (I'm sure there is a better word) to indulge every errant thought one may or may not have. People should respect others but they do have the right to avoid associations they find unhealthy. Though I agree with xhonzi that it is better to have tolerance of those with different views. I've always been naturally tolerant (Warbler would be laughing were he able [a joke, Mr. Warbler]) and I find it unfortunate when people shun others for not being sufficiently supportive of their worldview.

Closely related to this, when it comes to transgendered folks, I found it awkward that they are legally considered male or female (depending on which change is made), even though genetically they are the sex they started with before the change.  I prefer tolerance because everyone has a right to find what makes them happiest. 

I knew a guy who made the transition to female and then told us she was a lesbian ..... isn't that kinda weird?  Why become a woman to like women when he could have done it as a man?    

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Jetrell Fo said:

I knew a guy who made the transition to female and then told us she was a lesbian ..... isn't that kinda weird?  Why become a woman to like women when he could have done it as a man?    

Because what sex you're attracted to has no bearing on what sex you want to belong to.

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EyeShotFirst said:

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[edit] I don't support it, however I won't look down on somebody for being that way.

I'm not sure I understand this.

 I worded it poorly.

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I still don't understand.

 what's so difficult to understand here? 

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I knew a guy who made the transition to female and then told us she was a lesbian ..... isn't that kinda weird?  Why become a woman to like women when he could have done it as a man?    

Because what sex you're attracted to has no bearing on what sex you want to belong to.

I just seems like an awful lot of extra mileage just to go to the same place.

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I won't say I don't find it strange, but - to coin a phrase from the Man of the Year - who am I to judge?  Especially when I'm already gay.

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TV's Frink said:

Define "support."

 I don't wave a flag for it, fight for it, finance it, march for it, agree with it, etc.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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I...ok, whatever. You don't agree with it but you don't have a problem with it.

Some of you people are even weirder than me.

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bkev said:

I won't say I don't find it strange, but - to coin a phrase from the Man of the Year - who am I to judge?  Especially when I'm already gay.

 Did you just come out?  Or are you saying the Pope is gay?

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bkev said:

I won't say I don't find it strange, but - to coin a phrase from the Man of the Year - who am I to judge?  Especially when I'm already gay.

 Nice try, but you can't coin a phrase that's already been coined. ;)

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I...ok, whatever. You don't agree with it but you don't have a problem with it.

Some of you people are even weirder than me.

Is it weird for a conservative/liberal person to support another person's right to be liberal/conservative even though they don't support their politics?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

TV's Frink said:

I...ok, whatever. You don't agree with it but you don't have a problem with it.

Some of you people are even weirder than me.

Is it weird for a conservative/liberal person to support another person's right to be conservative/liberal even though they don't support conservative/liberal politics?

 Frink tends to have trouble with analogies, so you may want to explain that to him. ;)

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What does the prevalence of futanari say about heterosexual males?

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Prevalence? I think you're counting Japanese numbers ;P

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DuracellEnergizer said:

TV's Frink said:

I...ok, whatever. You don't agree with it but you don't have a problem with it.

Some of you people are even weirder than me.

Is it weird for a conservative/liberal person to support another person's right to be liberal/conservative even though they don't support their politics?

 He might as well have said he doesn't agree with people being black but he doesn't have a problem with it.

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Shouldn't it be more important, that people stop hurting each other, instead of discuss points of view or believe?

Some People think that homosexuality is bad, either because they believe it is a sin, or because they are afraid or something like that regarding homosexuality.

Others belive it is as normal as being straight.

Well, in my opinion: The most important point is loving somebody, no matter if it is not the same, or the same sex.

Additionally it is important not to harm anyone. So, if heterosexual or homosexual, or bisexual or whatever, it may not be the persons choice what he/she desire, but it is up to her/him, if somebody is harmed.

To the equality rights: Where are the rights of freedom, when there is a more than one class society, just because of such things as sexuality or religion?

Maybe someone has not to agree with the believe that homosexual couples should have the same rights as heterosexual, but giving them the rights, won't cut the rights of the disbeliefer. It just won't meet his personal believes, but it will keep his own rights untouched.

And specially for the americans, I'll just post a quote from the fourteenth amendement to the United States Constitution:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

It is not "All heterosexuals born or..." etc.

but it states "equal protection of the laws".

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TV's Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

TV's Frink said:

I...ok, whatever. You don't agree with it but you don't have a problem with it.

Some of you people are even weirder than me.

Is it weird for a conservative/liberal person to support another person's right to be liberal/conservative even though they don't support their politics?

 He might as well have said he doesn't agree with people being black but he doesn't have a problem with it.

 I didn't even say it that way. Now I think you are just trying to find something wrong in everything I said. I do not agree with homosexual acts, but I do not hate a person for it. Is that hard to understand?

It's almost like you're hoping to expose some underlying bigotry. My beliefs do not support homosexual acts, am I supposed to throw away my beliefs to become politically correct? To tolerate doesn't mean to support. Why don't people understand the difference?

Again, the classic "let's fight for freedom, but stone the Christian because he doesn't agree with us."

I can't be liberal or conservative these days. Both sides of the fence are driving me nuts.

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Don't worry, I think Frink just has trouble wrapping his head around the idea that a person can disagree with homosexual acts and still like homosexual people (even if they engage in such acts).