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The Clone Wars: Season V — Page 4

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Tyrphanax said:


I love the way Savage's saber sounds. It's very angry.


If there was any justice at all in the world, this guy would have a better name and a yellow lightsaber.

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I agree. His name is awful and more saber colours would be cool.

Lucas doesn't let Dave get away with everything, though...

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Dave is something of an asset his work on Avatar the last airbender was good.  Too bad Luca$ won't allow Clone Wars to be as good though there are times when it comes close like the Mortis arc.

There are also ways in which this series outshines Genndy's series as you have more focus on female characters and actually maybe for the first time female writers there were none on the movies unless you count Leigh Brackett and her draft was not used on empire.  That or the small incidental snappy lines that Gloria Katz wrote for star wars.

Star Wars in this serial format of short episodes almost comes off like star trek, not sure if that is a good or bad thing.

To me star wars is meant to be huge and epic made for the silver screen.

While the animation and writing is as good or better than say Thundercats remake or Transformers prime it is still primarily a children's cartoon like those shows and obviously marketed to sell toys.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Whoa!

Time for a check-in!

 

Anyone else been keeping up with this? If so, what are your thoughts on the current "Goonies-meets-Star-Wars" storyline?

Personally, I'm enjoying it. I was a little worried it would just be lame kid junk, but the first episode was really interesting and they managed to turn the lame "kiddie morals" into plausible Jedi lessons, and by the end of the second episode in the arc, I was pleasantly surprised. I was worried that they were turning Hondo into some goodie-goodie trump card who would show up at the end of every one of these episodes, thus ruining him, but that seems to not be the case. I really like his character, he always makes me smile.

There was also a DC-17m in the second part, the blaster the Clone Commandos from Republic Commando use (Delta Squad from the game was very briefly featured in an episode last season) which got me jazzed up to see what they do with the Clone Commando they were showing in the previews for this season.

Also, I know the Mandalorian arc is coming up soon, and as a huge Mandalorian fan who has already seen them sullied by Traviss, I'm really hoping they get pulled out of the pacifist rut they're in sooner or later... the way that all is handled could make or break this season for me.

Anyway, I'm about to dive into the third episode in the Younglings arc, Bound for Rescue.

 

Edit: Just finished it.

Wow.

Maybe it's my cold-addled mind, but that was an excellent episode. Big space battle, adventure, a lightsaber fight, blaster fights, a daring rescue and escape, a weird alien menagerie, humour...

If that's not what Star Wars is all about, then I guess I've been watching a different Star Wars.

Sure, some of the humour was a bit corny, some of the show was cheesy, yes. But it felt like Star Wars, and certainly felt more like Star Wars than the prequels.

This episode, and others like it is why I love this show, why I think there's life in the old girl yet, and why I feel it's in capable hands.

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I quite liked the Gathering episode. It reminded me of the scene where Luke enters the cave on Dagobah. I specially liked the young Wookiee and Ithorian, who managed to show their struggle through emotions instead of talking to themselves (which looks unrealistic and feels forced).

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Alexrd said:

I quite liked the Gathering episode. It reminded me of the scene where Luke enters the cave on Dagobah. I specially liked the young Wookiee and Ithorian, who managed to show their struggle through emotions instead of talking to themselves (which looks unrealistic and feels forced).

Yeah, I do feel like they can say a lot more without words a lot of the time, but kids only have a short attention span, so I guess characters have to constantly be talking.

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You know the fella who quoted Yoda's "judge me by my size do you?" - sorry, I didn't register who it was who said it - is that not simply a variant on "your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them"?  And I think the person who said that used a ightsbare quite a bit. 

If you deny the prequels (which is pretty outlandish, a bit like those three monkeys with their hands over their eyes, mouth and ears) then by extension you have to deny The Clone Wars - and, I imagine, anything else that doesn't meet your specific standards of what Star Wars is and should be (again, pretty outlandish).  Funny, though, how some will practically give themselves a hernia pointing out how "flawed" the more recent parts of the Star Wars story are while completely ignoring how your limb can be severed by a lightsabre and yet still bleed.  "Sigh" indeed.

As for Anakin killing all those Tuskens, he never told the Jedi, only Palpatine, and I'm sure he approved.

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Sorry to resurrect an old debate with my previous post but I just had to get it off my chest!

As someone who has to wait for each season to come out on Blu-ray, I need to be careful which posts I read here as I haven't even seen Season 4 yet (that's being saved for Christmas Day).

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For me I see the series in the same way I see the old Marvel comics.

Fun, often well put together, sometimes really silly and absolutely not 'proper' Star Wars.

But I've said worse about chunks of Return Of The Jedi since I was 13.

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Is it that it's animation that makes it not Star Wars to you?  Or is it that it's a twenty-odd minute serial?  (It's a genuine question, not loaded in any way.)
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fishmanlee said:

Has anything happened during the show about "The Search for The Sith Lord, The One We Have Been Looking For"?

Uhh, Palpatine? Not really, but he's about to show up in grand fashion at the end of this season...

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It would be interesting to see a little of what the Jedi are doing to find the Sith Lord between AOTC and ROTS but obviously, as we know they're really no closer to finding out by the time of the third film, what can they show that's really relevant?
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Easterhay said:


You know the fella who quoted Yoda's "judge me by my size do you?" - sorry, I didn't register who it was who said it - is that not simply a variant on "your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them"?  And I think the person who said that used a ightsbare quite a bit.


Does not compare. Obi-Wan was depicted with a lightsaber from day one, while Yoda wasn't, eeven though he could have been.
 
If you deny the prequels (which is pretty outlandish, a bit like those three monkeys with their hands over their eyes, mouth and ears) then by extension you have to deny The Clone Wars - and, I imagine, anything else that doesn't meet your specific standards of what Star Wars is and should be (again, pretty outlandish).


So, what? Are you saying that even if you don't like the PT, you have to accept it as canon? Well, to hell with that. I have a free will and I can choose to regard or disregard whatever the hell I feel like regarding/disregarding.

Funny, though, how some will practically give themselves a hernia pointing out how "flawed" the more recent parts of the Star Wars story are while completely ignoring how your limb can be severed by a lightsabre and yet still bleed.  "Sigh" indeed.


Some, but not all. Stop painting all OOT fans with the same brush.

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Of course it compares; it's practically the same line.

And I'll keep painting with the same brush as long as folk like you continue to carry on so.

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Easterhay said:


Of course it compares; it's practically the same line.


I'm sorry, but were there movies were Obi-Wan never used a lightsaber, never appeared to even own one, for all intents and purposes looked like he eschewed one, and then a few films later suddenly appeared as some swordsman who can't go two minutes without whipping his blade out?

And I'll keep painting with the same brush as long as folk like you continue to carry on so.


Why don't you provide some goddamned evidence that I've actually done so before making your strawman argument?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

 


I'm sorry, but were there movies were Obi-Wan never used a lightsaber, never appeared to even own one, for all intents and purposes looked like he eschewed one, and then a few films later suddenly appeared as some swordsman who can't go two minutes without whipping his blade out?

 

That sounds so wrong.

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Easterhay said:

If you deny the prequels (which is pretty outlandish, a bit like those three monkeys with their hands over their eyes, mouth and ears) then by extension you have to deny The Clone Wars - and, I imagine, anything else that doesn't meet your specific standards of what Star Wars is and should be (again, pretty outlandish).  Funny, though, how some will practically give themselves a hernia pointing out how "flawed" the more recent parts of the Star Wars story are while completely ignoring how your limb can be severed by a lightsabre and yet still bleed.  "Sigh" indeed.

I'd have to disagree with that. I think it's totally possible to completely disregard the PT, yet still be able to be a fan of the Clone Wars series. The Clone Wars series is superior to the PT in so many respects and many episodes have more in line with the OT than they do with the PT. In fact i think you could enjoy this series even if you have only watched the OT.

before i moved a friend came around to mine while i was watching the season 2 blu-rays. Now he was not a big Star Wars fan ( he once was). As he put it, he grew out of the movies around the time the SE's came out. He had never watched the prequels yet became engrossed in the Clone Wars. He was only popping around to drop off a DVD he was lending me, but stayed for a few hours. Now after this he wanted to watch the prequels, so i lent him the DVDs. Next day he came back and handed the discs to me and , in his words, said "Fuck me, those were shit. How the hell can you still be a fan after these?". Yet he still wanted to borrow all the seasons of the Clone Wars that i had because they felt more like the originals.

The Clone Wars, for me, attempts to tie in with the OT in a way that the PT just never did. The tech seems more "used" along with weathered ships, environments etc. The PT just seemed too clean, even after a war is supposed to be ravaging the galaxy. Plus you can actually care for these characters. They are fleshed out heel of a lot more than George even attempted in the PT. You can see why Obi-Wan called Anakin "a good friend", whereas in the prequels this was lacking.

But to say that someone is outlandish for denying the prequels and comparing them to the HNE,SNO,SNO monkeys has only made you sound like those you claim that jump on anyone who likes the prequels. ( It still surprises me that anyone is shocked at how many here dislike the prequels, even though the site is called originaltrilogy.com).

And people here DO see the flaws in the OT and pick them apart, it's just that there aren't as many in the OT as there are in the PT. At least the OT has good stories and not just flashy video game effects to try to hide the flaws in the storytelling. As GL once said " A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing"

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Well there are clearly aspects of Star Wars on which we'll have to agree to disagree, Adywan. I do agree - and have said this elsewhere - that something The Clone Wars has that the PT doesn't is a definite chemistry between the characters and you really do get a feel for the friendship between Anakin and Obi-wan.

To deny that something exists, though, when it clearly does, is outlandish and I'll maintain that stance - you'll be telling me the earth is flat, next.

I am aware of the title of the site, though, and I am au fait with its intent. That doesn't mean that I should accept some of the garbage that I read here, though, and if I don't agree with something then it's my right to say it. I'm sure you can appreciate that, Adywan. I think I have more of a problem with the objectionable attitude of some (I don't need to name names, do I?) as opposed to the point they're trying to make.

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People aren't really brainwashing themselves the prequels don't exist, they are simply of the opinion that the PT is not canonically accurate. There are many instances in which the viewer/reader of a certain franchise has to make their own choice of what is the complete canonical story - I mean, which Batman story is your preferred version? Do you prefer the Raimi trilogy of Spiderman, or did you like The Amazing SpiderMan? Do you watch Superman Returns, or Superman 3 and 4?

Often these decision are made based on the fact that there are multiple versions to choose from that contradict each other, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. If you don't like something, it's your right to write it out of your continuity. A lot of people enjoy The Clone Wars that don't like the PT. Just because they are technically part of the same canon doesn't mean you can't cut and paste what you like. You could completely rewrite TPM and AotC, and still fit it narratively with TCW. And then follow it up with a RotS that is COMPLETELY different than what we got.

 

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Your comparison to those superhero films is, in all fairness, not appropriate.  They are "re-imaginings" and not intended to follow on from each other or act as prequels to any of the other films.  We're talking about six episodes of one story.  I know Lucas failed to match the trilogies up.  He had to tweak the OT to fit the PT.  So what?  He's not perfect and I don't see anyone else trying to do what he's done.
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http://starwarsawakening.wordpress.com/

This guy is doing exactly that, writing a reimagining of the PT. It is fully intentioned to proceed the OT, in the same way the PT did, but telling a completely different story.

As for the superhero films, perhaps Batman and Spiderman are bad examples (though not as bad as your thinking the earth is flat example, IMO :P), but the comparison to Superman is not a bad example.

Superman 1 and 2 both had a certain feel. People enjoyed them for what they were (though the Donner cut of 2 is often regarded as the better version).

Then came Superman 3 and 4, which are widely viewed negatively in comparison to the original films, and led to 20 years without a new Superman film.

Following that 20 years, they were trying to figure out what to do with Superman in this endless stream of superhero movies. Rather than start over, they decided to COMPLETELY IGNORE films 3 and 4, and make a new direct sequel to Superman 2 called Superman Returns. For many people, it became as if Superman 3 and 4 had never happened.

Such is the case with the PT. Even though we may not have another film re-imagining to replace the story prior to the OT, many people have their own personal ideas of how it COULD have happened that they enjoy far more than what we actually got. 

When it comes to the OT, I never watch my official ANH because in my personal Star Wars canon, Jabba never confronted Han Solo after he shot Greedo. As in, it surprises me any time I happen to catch it on TV or at a friends house. To me, it ISN'T a part of MY Star Wars, and for some people, the entire PT didn't happen in THEIR Star Wars. And that's okay.

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I wasn't aware until now that people had their own personal canon to be honest. In speaking to you about it, I've gone from being bemused to quite sanguine about the whole thing. I suppose it's like me not really digging the EU books as they don't feel like Star Wars to me while some love them and get upset when what they feel has been established in the EU is contradicted by The Clone Wars or revisions to the films.

I take what you mean about Superman (I've always liked the third one actually) but were those films the result of one person's vision, as with Star Wars? I've not seen the fourth Superman although I did see Superman Returns and unfortunately fell asleep halfway through. Man, those first two Superman films are classic fare, though.

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