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Darth Bizarro said:


Ok.  Now that makes sense.  But I still don't know why you can't just ignore them like I ignore Alien 3.  As I said before.  Just because we might not like all of the expanded content of some of our favorite works of fiction, doesn't mean we should let that content ruin our day.  Just like Alien, Jaws, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, Superman, Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man, the Matrix, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Planet of the Apes, there will always be a few entries some of the fan base don't care for and shouldn't let their mear existence get them down. 



I do my best to ignore them. But to be honest, it's really difficult to be a Star Wars purist and be social about it these days. If I "like" Star Wars" on FB, I'll get all sorts of PT stuff in my face, and that's pretty much true for most web forums, as well. Moreover, we "purists" are really a dying breed. For 15 years, kids have grown up used to include the PT in the canon as naturally as breathing, and this new generation does the same with the CW. In a decade or so, only die hards will remember what SW was before the PT came along. So, how can we ignore what Star Wars has been turned into when it's constantly in our face and the revisionist agenda is effectively winning. Lucas wanted to destroy the old Star Wars, and he succeeded.

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I understand Star Wars is a special case since not only does GL insist on making more movies and shows that some people don't like, but also makes changes to the old films to properly reflect the new canon.  But remember who's really at fault for that aren't the people who happen to find the Jar Jar hate a bit overblown.  Just because I don't hate the special editions completely doesn't mean that I don't also find it to be total bullcrap that I don't have a choice in the matter unless I'm willing to sit through a crappy laserdisc transfer or turn to Harmy.


Oh, I'm not blaming the PT-fans or the CW-fans in general for Lucas' suppression of the OOT (though those PT/CW fans who act as Lucas' apologists and actively condone his revisionism and hound us purists for speaking out against it are certainly complicit). I'm just expressing my opinion: SW should not be about Palpatine wielding dual lightsabers [edit: and importantly, such a scene violates some very founding principles of what SW should be about on a fundamental level]. I know I'm the minority voice in the larger fandom, but surely, it must be ok to express this (now increasingly framed as almost "fundamentalist") opinion, particularly on a forum specifically devoted to the Original trilogy, eh? ;P

I guess, this is where us Purists come to die. ;P

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Darth Bizarro said:


Ok.  Now that makes sense.  But I still don't know why you can't just ignore them like I ignore Alien 3.  As I said before.  Just because we might not like all of the expanded content of some of our favorite works of fiction, doesn't mean we should let that content ruin our day.  Just like Alien, Jaws, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, Superman, Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man, the Matrix, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Planet of the Apes, there will always be a few entries some of the fan base don't care for and shouldn't let their mear existence get them down. 



I do my best to ignore them. But to be honest, it's really difficult to be a Star Wars purist and be social about it these days. If I "like" Star Wars" on FB, I'll get all sorts of PT stuff in my face, and that's pretty much true for most web forums, as well. Moreover, we "purists" are really a dying breed. For 15 years, kids have grown up used to include the PT in the canon as naturally as breathing, and this new generation does the same with the CW. In a decade or so, only die hards will remember what SW was before the PT came along. So, how can we ignore what Star Wars has been turned into when it's constantly in our face and the revisionist agenda is effectively winning. Lucas wanted to destroy the old Star Wars, and he succeeded.

Darth Bizarro said:


I understand Star Wars is a special case since not only does GL insist on making more movies and shows that some people don't like, but also makes changes to the old films to properly reflect the new canon.  But remember who's really at fault for that aren't the people who happen to find the Jar Jar hate a bit overblown.  Just because I don't hate the special editions completely doesn't mean that I don't also find it to be total bullcrap that I don't have a choice in the matter unless I'm willing to sit through a crappy laserdisc transfer or turn to Harmy.


Oh, I'm not blaming the PT-fans or the CW-fans in general for Lucas' suppression of the OOT (though those PT/CW fans who act as Lucas' apologists and actively condone his revisionism and hound us purists for speaking out against it are certainly complicit). I'm just expressing my opinion: SW should not be about Palpatine wielding dual lightsabers [edit: and importantly, such a scene violates some very founding principles of what SW should be about on a fundamental level]. I know I'm the minority voice in the larger fandom, but surely, it must be ok to express this (now increasingly framed as almost "fundamentalist") opinion, particularly on a forum specifically devoted to the Original trilogy, eh? ;P

I guess, this is where us Purists come to die. ;P

 

Lots of large fandom's break apart into subgroups, and many times, an old franchise will come back in a new form for a newer generation and the older fans might not like it.  A great example is Doctor Who.  A show that continued on in one form for many years, only to go off the air and come back in a newer flashier form.  Lots of fans embraced the new series while others continued to swear by the classic series.  If those Doctor Who fans who are totally stuck on Tom Baker and hate the new show decide to go and facebook and "Like" Doctor Who, they are inevitably going to be bombarded with updates about the new season with Matt Smith.  And do those fans really have any right to complain that their senses are being bombarded with a new incarnation of their favorite show from their youth that they happen to not like.  No they don't.  Because someone likes it other wise they wouldn't still be making it.  

The original Star Wars films ended in 1983 and for years there was nothing.  Star Wars could have been just another one of those franchises like Back to the Future that just ended up as a relic of a by gone era, and your senses wouldn't be bombarded today with anything Star Wars related because it would have died off like any other popular movie from the era, living on only in your memory, some old toys, and your new DVD Special Edition box set.  But Star Wars came back in a new form.  Some fans accepted it, other shunned it, and many new fans came into the series because of it.  So you may not like the fact that Star Wars has moved on without you, but you really don't have any rite to complain about it because that's how things work.  You can look back fondly at your memories of a by gone era but you can't become bitter at modern day for not maintaining it for you.  You should be thankful that the new stuff is still coming because it's keeping Star Wars alive in the public conscious.  If Star Wars had just ended in 1983, how many kids today do you think would have come along and willingly taken an active interest it if it wasn't for the new Star Wars coming along to guide them into it, just like a fan of the new Doctor Who series going back and taking a look at some of the old episodes and finding that they were pretty good too.    

So yes, I do, just like you, remember fondly those good times when Star Wars was a much simpler thing.  But there is nothing about anything new George Lucas has done since 1997 that will ever take that away and I for one am happy that Star Wars will live on a few generations longer, even if I don't necessarily like all the new stuff myself.   

And hell, at least we can still watch the original Star Wars.  Sure, it might not be in HD, but it's a lot better than the countless television shows that only live on today in 3rd generation television recordings ripped from VHS tapes.  For years, there was no way for me to get Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.  They only just recently started releasing those, same thing with Bobby's World.  Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles only just this past month released it's final season on DVD.  And my all time favorite television show from my childhood is Muppet Babies, a show that will likely never see release because of copyright issues regarding the use of the countless movie clips they used in the show that they didn't clear for use outside of broadcast.  So the shear fact that you can still watch Star Wars in decent quality is, while not optimal, is still good that it will be allowed to live on for you, with or without the validation of other "purists."

"George, we hate you for making more Star Wars movies.  Please make more Star Wars movies."

-The Internet

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Except none of those new things are directly connected to the old thing disappearing. This will always be different. If the new James Bond directly caused GOLDFINGER to live on only with digital Judi Dench and 90s dinosaurs , there might be some resentment there when the new Bond comes out. CLONE WARS might be the greatest thing ever, but I'll never really know with this shit going on. 

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Darth Bizarro said:


For years, there was no way for me to get Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.


Now there's something that should be suppressed and erased from existence and history ;-)

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DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Darth Bizarro said:


For years, there was no way for me to get Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.


Now there's something that should be suppressed and erased from existence and history ;-)

 

Yeah I know.  Childhood makes even the stupidest crap awesome when you're too young to know any better.

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Baronlando said:

Except none of those new things are directly connected to the old thing disappearing. This will always be different. If the new James Bond directly caused GOLDFINGER to live on only with digital Judi Dench and 90s dinosaurs , there might be some resentment there when the new Bond comes out. CLONE WARS might be the greatest thing ever, but I'll never really know with this shit going on. 

Now lets not get carried away.  It would still be Bernard Lee's body, just with Judi Dench's head pasted on top.  

And you know Sean Connery riding a dinosaur would be awesome.

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Darth Bizarro said:

Lots of large fandom's break apart into subgroups, and many times, an old franchise will come back in a new form for a newer generation and the older fans might not like it.  A great example is Doctor Who.  A show that continued on in one form for many years, only to go off the air and come back in a newer flashier form.  Lots of fans embraced the new series while others continued to swear by the classic series.  If those Doctor Who fans who are totally stuck on Tom Baker and hate the new show decide to go and facebook and "Like" Doctor Who, they are inevitably going to be bombarded with updates about the new season with Matt Smith.  And do those fans really have any right to complain that their senses are being bombarded with a new incarnation of their favorite show from their youth that they happen to not like.  No they don't.  Because someone likes it other wise they wouldn't still be making it.  

The original Star Wars films ended in 1983 and for years there was nothing.  Star Wars could have been just another one of those franchises like Back to the Future that just ended up as a relic of a by gone era, and your senses wouldn't be bombarded today with anything Star Wars related because it would have died off like any other popular movie from the era, living on only in your memory, some old toys, and your new DVD Special Edition box set.  But Star Wars came back in a new form.  Some fans accepted it, other shunned it, and many new fans came into the series because of it.  So you may not like the fact that Star Wars has moved on without you, but you really don't have any rite to complain about it because that's how things work.  You can look back fondly at your memories of a by gone era but you can't become bitter at modern day for not maintaining it for you.  You should be thankful that the new stuff is still coming because it's keeping Star Wars alive in the public conscious.  If Star Wars had just ended in 1983, how many kids today do you think would have come along and willingly taken an active interest it if it wasn't for the new Star Wars coming along to guide them into it, just like a fan of the new Doctor Who series going back and taking a look at some of the old episodes and finding that they were pretty good too.    

So yes, I do, just like you, remember fondly those good times when Star Wars was a much simpler thing.  But there is nothing about anything new George Lucas has done since 1997 that will ever take that away and I for one am happy that Star Wars will live on a few generations longer, even if I don't necessarily like all the new stuff myself.   

And hell, at least we can still watch the original Star Wars.  Sure, it might not be in HD, but it's a lot better than the countless television shows that only live on today in 3rd generation television recordings ripped from VHS tapes.  For years, there was no way for me to get Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.  They only just recently started releasing those, same thing with Bobby's World.  Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles only just this past month released it's final season on DVD.  And my all time favorite television show from my childhood is Muppet Babies, a show that will likely never see release because of copyright issues regarding the use of the countless movie clips they used in the show that they didn't clear for use outside of broadcast.  So the shear fact that you can still watch Star Wars in decent quality is, while not optimal, is still good that it will be allowed to live on for you, with or without the validation of other "purists."


No right to complain, eh? So much for freedom of speech. I disagree on so many levels. First of all, it implies that older fans should be silent because newer fans understand the material - themes, messages, morals - better, or have a priviledge of interpretation that older fans for some reason do not have. That's just a strange argument that ultimately does not rest on any logically valid foundation I can think of. My interpretation of SW is as valid as anyone else's, and the fact that someone came into SW with the CW series in no way means that that person has more of a right to interpret the material than I do.

Further - remember why us ole purists are being grumpy. It's not simply about there being new material. It's about there being new material that completely invalidates the central thematic points of a movie trilogy that belongs to contemporary cinema classics. That's not a trivial issue - or should not be for a fan. Indeed, the fact that I care so deeply about those themes and narratives should, beyond doubt, attest to my qualifications as a die-hard Star Wars fan.

As for "we can still watch it" , well, yeah, kinda. For a while. But I hope that you've noticed how quickly technology is developing now. VHS machines can no longer be bought, to the best of my knowledge. The latest release of the OT was on DVD, but DVD is already an outdated format. DVDs will go the same way, and soon, too. Very soon. Even Blue-ray is on the verge of becoming outdated with HD-TV and Netflix - because who needs to buy a record if you can access your movies in HD directly from the cloud? That possibility is already here.

In a decade, I seriously doubt anyone will care about owning a machine that plays movies on anything other than harddrives. And the OOT does NOT exist commercially available in that format. The ONLY way to see the OOT in that format is through illegal file sharing. You seem awfully complacent about the fact that within a few scant years, the only way to watch the OOT is through illegal copies. This is not a distant future. 10 years or so. Not much more, because DVD machines are not the most durable, and once they break down, or your DVD disks are worn out...well, that's all she wrote.

So, no, the trilogy that created movie history will not live on much longer if Lucas gets his way. I wish the fanbase was more up in arms over this, I really do. It's strange to see so many people who claim to be Star Wars fans just shrug over the destruction of this piece of cultural history - the three movies that created their entire fandom disappears, and they don't care, beause they're too distracted by SW in 3D or some other LucasArts style-over-substance-product that has absolutely nothing to do with central thematic messages of the trilogy that started it all - and when people like me point this out, we're told we have no right to complain. Strange times we live in.

Now I'm going to to cry in a corner somewhere.

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Darth Bizarro said:


And hell, at least we can still watch the original Star Wars.  Sure, it might not be in HD, but it's a lot better than the countless television shows that only live on today in 3rd generation television recordings ripped from VHS tapes.  For years, there was no way for me to get Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. They only just recently started releasing those,

Darth Bizarro said:

So the shear fact that you can still watch Star Wars in decent quality is, while not optimal, is still good that it will be allowed to live on for you, with or without the validation of other "purists."


Actually Power Rangers has gotten a better release than Star Wars OOT. When Saban bought the series back they got into negotiations with Time Life to release the show on DVD. They did. In one purchase you can get MMPR - Lost Galaxy series episodes. Included in the set are booklets, an action figure(these may have been limited edition), newly shot interviews, the Zeo serial promos leading up to Power Rangers Zeo amongst many more extras. So you can buy each MMPR episode in DVD quality in the original form now if you want.

Also prior to this when Disney owned the series there were season sets that were sold in Germany in 2007 I think. They only had a single episode that wasn't the original cut due to them needing to get the copy from the Disney archives. As for image quality well take a look at the following screen caps from the 2007 set vs the Star Wars Gout Power Rangers Battle scene screen cap so a little bit of blur and another screencap. Some Gout images in this thread. So it's not merely recently that Power Rangers has been released in higher quality than Star Wars OOT.

I presume that the Star Wars Gout release may have something over the Power Rangers release though... They have subtitles accessible via the DVD menu screens. On the Power Rangers non-Germany sets they depend on your tv having the closed captioning option to activate them. So,... yeah um Star Wars has the subtitles!

To further the comparison Saban actually bought the series back at the same time that Disney was altering the original episodes to such an extent of adding animations and deleting scenes. So in essence Saban has saved the original versions from destruction putting up $100 million of his own money to do so. Plus putting $400 million more into building up a company that he can use to distribute the show.

Yet Lucas still refuses to restore the originals...

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Wow.  Power Rangers?!?!?!  Really?!?!?!

 

 

I'm getting old.....

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Darth Bizarro said:\

And you know Sean Connery riding a dinosaur would be awesome.

Hasn't the guy been through enough embarrassment??

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As for "we can still watch it" , well, yeah, kinda. For a while. But I hope that you've noticed how quickly technology is developing now. VHS machines can no longer be bought, to the best of my knowledge. 

 

dude, look around.

there are tons of combo vcr/dvd players STILL being made.

they're not THAT hard to find.

 

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I wish the fanbase was more up in arms over this, I really do. It's strange to see so many people who claim to be Star Wars fans just shrug over the destruction of this piece of cultural history - the three movies that created their entire fandom disappears, and they don't care, beause they're too distracted by SW in 3D or some other LucasArts style-over-substance-product that has absolutely nothing to do with central thematic messages of the trilogy that started it all - and when people like me point this out, we're told we have no right to complain. 

 

some people are doing something about it!

look around you in the preservation forum!


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Hey! I like Zardoz...

And I'd wager Connery did the '98 Avengers flick for the money.

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I like Zardoz and You Only Eat Rice but he does it all for the money.

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Bingowings said:

I like You Only Eat Rice 

 

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You only live twice?

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stretch009 said:

Bingowings said:

I like You Only Eat Rice 

 

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You only live twice?

thatsthejoke.jpg

 

And to address the point that we should be more up-in-arms... I'm as up-in-arms as the next guy. I just happen to also enjoy The Clone Wars because it reminds me more of the OT that I know and love more than anything else that's come out since ROTJ.

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danaan said:

 

 


As for "we can still watch it" , well, yeah, kinda. For a while. But I hope that you've noticed how quickly technology is developing now. VHS machines can no longer be bought, to the best of my knowledge. 

 

dude, look around.

there are tons of combo vcr/dvd players STILL being made.

they're not THAT hard to find.

 

 

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I wish the fanbase was more up in arms over this, I really do. It's strange to see so many people who claim to be Star Wars fans just shrug over the destruction of this piece of cultural history - the three movies that created their entire fandom disappears, and they don't care, beause they're too distracted by SW in 3D or some other LucasArts style-over-substance-product that has absolutely nothing to do with central thematic messages of the trilogy that started it all - and when people like me point this out, we're told we have no right to complain. 

 

some people are doing something about it!

look around you in the preservation forum!


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-1

What he said.

I have both Harmy's versions and Dark_Jedi's on my computer.  I have burned copies of Dark_Jedi V3 sitting on my DVD shelf right next to my Blu Ray set, the Prequel DVDs, both versions of the original trilogy, the Clone Wars Micro-series DVDS, the Clone Wars Blu Rays, the Ewok Adventure movies, the Holiday Special, From Star Wars to Jedi, and the Puggo and Adywan versions.  

I can also take those Harmy and Dark Jedi files and convert them to any format I want.  In fact, I have the complete trilogy on my iPod.  And if another format comes along, then I'll just convert them from the original source files that I have no intention of getting rid of.

So no dude.  The original trilogy isn't going anywhere as long as the fans still care, which we do.  I'm not claiming to be a Star Wars fan, I am a Star Wars fan, whether I like Palpatine to have a lightsaber or not.

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As for "we can still watch it" , well, yeah, kinda. For a while. But I hope that you've noticed how quickly technology is developing now. VHS machines can no longer be bought, to the best of my knowledge. The latest release of the OT was on DVD, but DVD is already an outdated format. DVDs will go the same way, and soon, too. Very soon. Even Blue-ray is on the verge of becoming outdated with HD-TV and Netflix - because who needs to buy a record if you can access your movies in HD directly from the cloud? That possibility is already here.

 

I've noticed how quickly technology is developing, but unlike VHS, DVD is not an outdated format.  You can still go out and buy a DVD player and Blu-Ray players can still play DVDs.  And even if you are worried that Star Wars may never again see a release in a newer format, DVDs, unlike VHS tapes, can be inserted into computer drive and copied with relative ease, making it possible for you to convert Star Wars to whatever future format might exist.

And furthermore, like -1 said, there are countless fan preservations on this site of the original trilogy from various sources, most turning out even better than the official DVD release.  If you'd like help getting these I can even help you out if you're unsure how to get them.  

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Was bizarre seeing a SW movie on a local channel last night.  I guess to promote the syndication of the Clone Wars they played RotS on WLNY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLNY-TV last night.  They had a fascinating promo saying the Clone Wars were coming but didn't explain when or if it was to be on the channel.  Flipping through the guide saw an episode of TCW at 1:30 am, Sunday morning.  ...even next sunday at that great time:

http://www.locatetv.com/tv/star-wars-the-clone-wars/5810923

Maybe they're allowed to air a few episodes at odd times to get things rolling.  Not sure why they wouldn't roll into the series with a reshow of AotC.

[For those that want to know, 'Does Your Bra Fit? airs at midnight: http://www.locatetv.com/tv/does-your-bra-fit/7674832

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Interesting, as Spike TV paid millions for exclusive rights to all six movies.

Maybe that deal is expiring now?

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^ Probably, the last time this came up we couldn't find any definitive length of the Spike contract.  Sci-Fi stopped airing SW related things in 2002 (and maybe the movies a year before), so that's a possibility when Spike took over and this would be around year 10.

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I liked it.

Some very cool stuff in there, but I don't want to get into it too deep in case anyone else cares and doesn't want spoilers. =P

 

I love the way Savage's saber sounds. It's very angry.

It was cool to see Hondo and the gang be pirates and rough stuff up.

Maul and Savage's relationship is getting much more interesting. It'll be cool to see where they take it.

Thought it was cool that they're showing that normal people don't know the difference between Jedi and Sith. It really goes a long way towards making the distrust of the Jedi after the war due to the Empire calling them traitors more believable. That's what makes this show so good: it takes the time to do what the prequels promised and failed to do.

Hated the flying saucers as I have since they were first introduced. Hated the fact that they're still stuck on the stupid precedent from Attack of the Clones where soldiers with ranged weapons feel like they have to run up to the enemy and shoot at them from two feet away. At least they've been taking more cover in these later seasons...

Also hated Palpatine's one line that wasn't done by the late Ian Abercrombie. I really hope that it wasn't the replacement, because it was VERY noticeable and TERRIBLE. I agree with Tobar in that they should get Sam Witwer to do it, because he did a fantastic Emperor for TFU (even though that series was shitty) and an earlier Clone Wars episode. Sam was really a great find for Star Wars: multi-talented (has done a lot of voices for The Clone Wars as well as acting for TFU), and more importantly a big Star Wars fan.

Can't wait until the next episode!

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