logo Sign In

The Clone Wars: Season V — Page 2

Author
Time

darth_ender said:

Sometimes we all make me laugh because we argue about the correctness of such nerdy stuff.  Yes, I'm party to this silliness.  But I did want to chime in.  I agree, I very much prefer the pre-PT explanation (from EU sources) that Jedi masters had advanced so far in the Force that they no longer needed lightsabers.  Moreover, if lightsabers had to be used in the PT by masters, they didn't have to be overused by them as they currently are.  And lightsabers, which seemed so precious in the OT, are like cheap, replaceable water pistols in the PT.  But I think Bizarro makes a good case that the OT does not actually preclude Jedi masters using lightsabers.  It's pretty clear that Yoda and the Emperor do not consider lightsaber usage as beneath the Jedi.  The Jedi masters obviously expected the knights to use such methods as part of their growth.  When Yoda told Luke that he must face Vader again, I don't think he expected him to defeat him without one.  I believe that Luke's test at the cave was a message about giving in to anger, listening to fear, and relying on violence to solve all problems.  It did not mean that he would never have to resort to violence.  Bizarro said it right: there is more to being a Jedi than fighting, lightsabers, and heroics...but that does not leave those things completely out of the picture.

I'll agree that the lightsabers had lost that special quality in the prequels because of their abundance.  But then again, this is suppose to be the era before the Jedi had become extinct so there would naturally be a lot of characters who had them.  I do think it would have help though if there had been a few more none Jedi main characters in the story to help balance the action out.  Jedi effortlessly blocking blaster fire and slashing everything in sight is no where near as exciting as a good old corridor shoot out.  Maybe if Anakin had been allowed to progress in a similar manner to to Luke, he could have used a blaster for part of the movie still before fully embracing the lightsaber in Episode III.

"George, we hate you for making more Star Wars movies.  Please make more Star Wars movies."

-The Internet

Author
Time

Maybe I'm just too old (30), but I had exactly zero excitement while watching that preview.  It seems like people get excited whenever anything SW related is "dark" and has characters striking cool poses with lightsabers (that Old Republic preview comes to mind).

I seem to recall the Clone Wars era being done to death before Revenge of the Sith was even released in theaters.  This just looks like more of the same, except that events are getting SO big (Maul coming back to life) it just seems absurd that nobody will ever mention these events in RotS (not that I'm a big fan of that movie).

Author
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Darth Bizarro said:


How does introducing a secondary set of villains prove that they should have been in the movies.  That's like saying that having the Black Sun appear as villains in Shadows of the Empire proves that they should have been in Empire Strikes Back.


Was Black Sun ever established as being a major antagonist in the OT timeline in various interviews, notes, and spinoff material back in the day only to ignored when TESB and ROTJ rolled around? No? Then your comparison fails.

First, the idea of whether the Emperor should or should not have a light-saber is entirely a mater of opinion, not forgone fact (same thing with Yoda BTW).  But even if that weren't up for debate, how exactly is the Emperor going to defend himself against two attackers simultaneously both of whom are wielding double bladed lightsabers with only one lightsaber.  He needs two so he can block two simultaneous attacks.


The guy's got access to telekinetic and electrokinetic abilities. Waving a neon sword around when he can just toss/block/kill a guy with his mind or fry him with bolts of lightning is stupid.

 

Why have the neon sword?  Because it's shiny...and Prequel fans will go for superficiality over substance any day!  

-Someone, someday, needs to bring back the LIGHT SIDE to Star Wars.  Has anyone else noticed striking similarites between the character of Anakin/Vader and George Lucas, or is it just me? 

-It's called STAR WARS. NOT "Episode IV: A New Hope". Kids, get this straight.  

-Please read the Archie Goodwin daily SW comics: Too good to be forgotten! 

Author
Time

eiyosus said:

Maybe I'm just too old (30), but I had exactly zero excitement while watching that preview.  It seems like people get excited whenever anything SW related is "dark" and has characters striking cool poses with lightsabers (that Old Republic preview comes to mind).

I seem to recall the Clone Wars era being done to death before Revenge of the Sith was even released in theaters.  This just looks like more of the same, except that events are getting SO big (Maul coming back to life) it just seems absurd that nobody will ever mention these events in RotS (not that I'm a big fan of that movie).

Maul could just as easily die before the events of Episode III. Just like Ashoka has to either disappear or die before the series is over.

It could all be "old news" by the time the events in the movie take place.

Forum Moderator

Where were you in '77?

Author
Time

I honestly wouldn't mind if Palpatine used lightsabers if

1. The lightsabers were stolen Jedi lightsabers (having him build and keep his own lightsaber pretty much renders his comments on lightsabers in ROTJ completely senseless)

2. Uses them sparingly

3. Uses them as a means to mock the Jedi and desecrate their weapon, not because he needs to

Author
Time

I'll just chime in quickly with my two cents.

I'm a fan of The Clone Wars, and I'm very, very excited for Season 5, which looks to be the best yet.

I completely understand the anti-Clone Wars arguments here, but they don't bother me too much, because the way at look at The Clone Wars, and most of Star Wars, is this: It's a fun space fantasy franchise. It's full of action and cool-looking shit, and while it's not always plausible, or particularly serious, that's fine, because it's pure escapist entertainment, and it's supposed to be. The OT was the same thing. Sure, there were deeper messages, and they were very well-made films that certainly deserve the praise and recognition they get, and even if the prequels don't match them in quality, they do the same job in serving as fun popcorn flicks. There's plenty of cool nerd porn in them to keep fans talking to this day, and (although many here will disagree with me) I think there were some really high-quality aspects to them.

Even back in the '70s Lucas said that Star Wars was supposed to be a fun film, an entertaining film. There were sword fights, shootouts, dogfights, a wise wizard teaching a young man how to become a hero, a damsel in distress-all staples of entertainment of the past, updated to a space setting. I think fans are put a lot of meaning into the OT that wasn't necessarily part of it to begin with, although that doesn't make their interpretations less valid.

What The Clone Wars does is to provide fun, action-packed entertainment, with plenty of nerd porn for Star Wars fans. You don't have to like The Clone Wars, or the prequels, or any of the EU. It's just entertainment. And personally I think The Clone Wars is very high quality.

I eagerly await geeking out over Sidious dueling Maul and Savage with two lightsabres.

Author
Time

I'm really excited about the new season,  it really has evolved with the last few seasons and the producers seem able to walk the fine line between what the fans want and what George decrees. I can't help thinking that we might see the end of Ahsoka, given the timeline her exit/death has to happen eventually to be big enough of a jolt to Anakin and allow enough time to pass after the event to counter why her existence doesn't rate a mention by the time ROTS rolls around.

It looks like there is a fierce battle between her and Ventress, maybe thats how they both meet their ends? It took me a long time  to warm to Asohka (and I'm sure I'm not alone) and get over the whole 'sky-guy' "snips" thing, but she's probably gone through more character development than any of the legit characters.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Star Wars Purist said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Darth Bizarro said:


How does introducing a secondary set of villains prove that they should have been in the movies.  That's like saying that having the Black Sun appear as villains in Shadows of the Empire proves that they should have been in Empire Strikes Back.


Was Black Sun ever established as being a major antagonist in the OT timeline in various interviews, notes, and spinoff material back in the day only to ignored when TESB and ROTJ rolled around? No? Then your comparison fails.

First, the idea of whether the Emperor should or should not have a light-saber is entirely a mater of opinion, not forgone fact (same thing with Yoda BTW).  But even if that weren't up for debate, how exactly is the Emperor going to defend himself against two attackers simultaneously both of whom are wielding double bladed lightsabers with only one lightsaber.  He needs two so he can block two simultaneous attacks.


The guy's got access to telekinetic and electrokinetic abilities. Waving a neon sword around when he can just toss/block/kill a guy with his mind or fry him with bolts of lightning is stupid.

 

Why have the neon sword?  Because it's shiny...and Prequel fans will go for superficiality over substance any day!  

Please don't talk down to us prequel fans like we're somehow inferior fans.  I find it very disrespectful.

The difference between you and me is simply this.  You like the original trilogy.  I like the original trilogy plus everything else.  I think we all need to sometimes be reminded of this.

"George, we hate you for making more Star Wars movies.  Please make more Star Wars movies."

-The Internet

Author
Time

KazolOrajia said:

I'll just chime in quickly with my two cents.

I'm a fan of The Clone Wars, and I'm very, very excited for Season 5, which looks to be the best yet.

I completely understand the anti-Clone Wars arguments here, but they don't bother me too much, because the way at look at The Clone Wars, and most of Star Wars, is this: It's a fun space fantasy franchise. It's full of action and cool-looking shit, and while it's not always plausible, or particularly serious, that's fine, because it's pure escapist entertainment, and it's supposed to be. The OT was the same thing. Sure, there were deeper messages, and they were very well-made films that certainly deserve the praise and recognition they get, and even if the prequels don't match them in quality, they do the same job in serving as fun popcorn flicks. There's plenty of cool nerd porn in them to keep fans talking to this day, and (although many here will disagree with me) I think there were some really high-quality aspects to them.

Even back in the '70s Lucas said that Star Wars was supposed to be a fun film, an entertaining film. There were sword fights, shootouts, dogfights, a wise wizard teaching a young man how to become a hero, a damsel in distress-all staples of entertainment of the past, updated to a space setting. I think fans are put a lot of meaning into the OT that wasn't necessarily part of it to begin with, although that doesn't make their interpretations less valid.

What The Clone Wars does is to provide fun, action-packed entertainment, with plenty of nerd porn for Star Wars fans. You don't have to like The Clone Wars, or the prequels, or any of the EU. It's just entertainment. And personally I think The Clone Wars is very high quality.

I eagerly await geeking out over Sidious dueling Maul and Savage with two lightsabres.

^What he said.

"George, we hate you for making more Star Wars movies.  Please make more Star Wars movies."

-The Internet

Author
Time

KazolOrajia said:


I'll just chime in quickly with my two cents.

I'm a fan of The Clone Wars, and I'm very, very excited for Season 5, which looks to be the best yet.

I completely understand the anti-Clone Wars arguments here, but they don't bother me too much, because the way at look at The Clone Wars, and most of Star Wars, is this: It's a fun space fantasy franchise. It's full of action and cool-looking shit, and while it's not always plausible, or particularly serious, that's fine, because it's pure escapist entertainment, and it's supposed to be. The OT was the same thing. Sure, there were deeper messages, and they were very well-made films that certainly deserve the praise and recognition they get....


This segment pretty much sums up my grievance with the PT and everything that has come afterwards. The point of SW was not the "pure escapist entertainment" - you can go to any blockbuster to get your fill of that, even Transformers and GI Joe. The point was indeed those deeper messages. But all those wisdoms offered by Yoda, Obi-Wan, Luke, Vader and even Palpatine in the OT have been rendered utterly pointless and devoid of meaning because of the PT and now, too, the CW.

When Lucas, in the "Making of AOTC"-footage, says that all fans have been waiting for Yoda to "whip out that little laserswords of his and go to town" he *completely* misses the point of his own mythology. Everytime i hear that statement I want to shout a Big No at the screen, it's so stoopid! But that's all we're likely to get from LucasArts now - kewl weaponcombos and shiny things that look like things did back in the OT, but that have actually been robbed of any of that deeper meaning that made SW so great.

For this old fan, that just hurts.

Author
Time

danaan said:

 

KazolOrajia said:


I'll just chime in quickly with my two cents.

I'm a fan of The Clone Wars, and I'm very, very excited for Season 5, which looks to be the best yet.

I completely understand the anti-Clone Wars arguments here, but they don't bother me too much, because the way at look at The Clone Wars, and most of Star Wars, is this: It's a fun space fantasy franchise. It's full of action and cool-looking shit, and while it's not always plausible, or particularly serious, that's fine, because it's pure escapist entertainment, and it's supposed to be. The OT was the same thing. Sure, there were deeper messages, and they were very well-made films that certainly deserve the praise and recognition they get....


This segment pretty much sums up my grievance with the PT and everything that has come afterwards. The point of SW was not the "pure escapist entertainment" - you can go to any blockbuster to get your fill of that, even Transformers and GI Joe. The point was indeed those deeper messages. But all those wisdoms offered by Yoda, Obi-Wan, Luke, Vader and even Palpatine in the OT have been rendered utterly pointless and devoid of meaning because of the PT and now, too, the CW.

When Lucas, in the "Making of AOTC"-footage, says that all fans have been waiting for Yoda to "whip out that little laserswords of his and go to town" he *completely* misses the point of his own mythology. Everytime i hear that statement I want to shout a Big No at the screen, it's so stoopid! But that's all we're likely to get from LucasArts now - kewl weaponcombos and shiny things that look like things did back in the OT, but that have actually been robbed of any of that deeper meaning that made SW so great.

For this old fan, that just hurts.

 

Dude, you take Star Wars way too seriously.  

This goes beyond the argument of Star Wars being a part of our cultural heritage and film preservation.  A point that I am in full agreement on with basically everyone on this site.

What you're talking about though is contradictions in the "mythology" of a work of fiction which was based on actual mythology causing you physical and/or emotional pain.  No longer is this about the REAL issue of Lucas destroying our cultural heritage.  This is a whole new level of problems you seem to be experiencing.     

You don't just hate them.  Lots of people hate them, and I respect that fully.  I hate Alien 3, but I wouldn't be offended by someone showing up to a convention dressed as Ripley with their head shaved.  But for you, it seems, their very existence actually pains you.  That's not healthy dude.

George Lucas made some Star Wars movies, and you liked them.  Then he made more Star Wars movies, and you don't like them.  Simple as that.  Other people liking them shouldn't upset you so much.  

"George, we hate you for making more Star Wars movies.  Please make more Star Wars movies."

-The Internet

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Darth Bizarro said:

Dude, you take Star Wars way too seriously.  

This goes beyond the argument of Star Wars being a part of our cultural heritage and film preservation.  A point that I am in full agreement on with basically everyone on this site.

What you're talking about though is contradictions in the "mythology" of a work of fiction which was based on actual mythology causing you physical and/or emotional pain.  No longer is this about the REAL issue of Lucas destroying our cultural heritage.  This is a whole new level of problems you seem to be experiencing.     

You don't just hate them.  Lots of people hate them, and I respect that fully.  I hate Alien 3, but I wouldn't be offended by someone showing up to a convention dressed as Ripley with their head shaved.  But for you, it seems, their very existence actually pains you.  That's not healthy dude.

George Lucas made some Star Wars movies, and you liked them.  Then he made more Star Wars movies, and you don't like them.  Simple as that.  Other people liking them shouldn't upset you so much.  


Hmm....

I dunno. Is my attitude unhealthy? I'm not at all convinced that it's as simple as that. For me, the issue of cultural heritage and my own love for this particular work of fiction are deeply intertwined. I abhor whenever cultural heritage of much "greater cultural standing" (high culture vs oop cultur, etc) becomes relativized, or even demolished. Think about how the Parthenon in Athens was blown up, how the Elgin marbles were removed from the building, how the library in Alexandria was burned by zealots, how Taliban destroyed Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, or what is now happening in Timbuktu. When someone says that history or our cultural heritage is useless or unimportant, I am outraged. I guess I'm just sensitive to such folly.

In the case of Star Wars, I loved that trilogy. It was probably my favourite movie experience when I was a kid. But it's more than that. I loved other movies, too - like Labyrinth, or the Never Ending Story. But revisiting them, they're just kinda "meh" to me now. Star Wars has lasted, because it is a classic of a whole different standing, and because of the profound messages. But now, those messages have been undermined, hollowed up, effectively destroyed by the PT and post-PT developments. So this is really a case of revisionism - Lucas fully intends, it seems, to destroy the memory that the SW saga was once something other than what the PT presents. Getting my hands on even the 2004 DVD is getting increasingly difficult. That's horrendous. And then some fan comes along and makes a statement to the effect of SW should be about Palpatine wielding dual lightsabers. It's, pardon the pun, lightyears from what the unaltered ANH-ROTJ series of films were about.

In conclusion - no, this is not about me being angry that others like films I don't like (though the elitist in me will always be baffled by the strange success of things like Dan Brown, Transformers or other such schlock). This about a set of very beautiful ideas in the form of a fairytale that has now been completely sidelined by Yoda doing computer-game shit. It's like seeing something I loved dearly die. Of course it hurts. And the fact that it does is just a testament to how much I loved it.

Btw, I can guarantee you that if the directors of other films I love dearly did the equivalent to what Lucas has been doing the past 15 years, I'd hurt over that, too. But they have the integrity to leave their work alone, or to offer several versions if they do want to tamper with their work after the fact, so there's no cause for mourning. In that sense, SW is uniquely ravaged by its progenitor.

Edit: Btw, there's plenty of other EU material I also feel does not live up to the OT. A recent example would be the TOR cinematics, which just seem to be regurgitating the visuals of the OT without any of the substance. The emphasis on the super-choreographed fights is one example. In one of them, they've even just re-written lines from ANH, which is the height of style over substance.

Author
Time

danaan said:This about a set of very beautiful ideas in the form of a fairytale that has now been completely sidelined by Yoda doing computer-game shit. It's like seeing something I loved dearly die. Of course it hurts. 

 

It's good to be passionate and all that, but I think you're letting the mere existence of the new stuff get mixed in with the actual problem which is the OT. Understandable since this is a uniquely stupid situation, so the proper reaction to it is not always going to be obvious.But if the original 3 movies are ever available to you as they were opening day, you'd be surprised how easy it is to forget anything else happened after. I didn't think of Mario Van Peebles even once during JAWS the other day. Also, even in 1978, Chewbacca's father jacked off to Dianne Carroll. So, you know, there's that. 

Author
Time

There are plenty of deeper moments in The Clone Wars that aren't all about lightsaber-swinging. But you'd have to actually watch it to see them because they rarely put them in the trailers.

I wouldn't put it on the same level as the Dagobah scenes from The Empire Strikes Back, but saying that The Clone Wars is solely about glowsticks and posing as a team because shit just got real is doing the show a real injustice and makes me feel like you've only seen the trailers or just a couple of the episodes from Season One (the show doesn't really pick up until Season Three).

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

END OF LINE

(It hasn’t happened yet)

Author
Time

[rant]After reading this whole thread I wonder how many of you guys have a girlfriend/wife :-) [/rant off]

Author
Time
 (Edited)

SilverWook said:

Maul could just as easily die before the events of Episode III. Just like Ashoka has to either disappear or die before the series is over.

It could all be "old news" by the time the events in the movie take place.

True, but I find it hard to believe that nobody would ever mention any of these characters, including the apprentice of the main character.

It has less to do with that and more to do with me just not being excited due to it not looking exciting.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

pittrek said:

[rant]After reading this whole thread I wonder how many of you guys have a girlfriend/wife :-) [/rant off]

I've got a wife who's eating ramen right next to me!  We're watching a show where a dude ranks the movies released every month, because I want to see what he has to say about Prometheus and Avengers (I live in Japan and both movies came out this month).  I'm interested in getting a Japanese perspective on these movies (haven't seen Avengers, though).

 

Been married seven years, have a three year old, and yes, she thinks I'm a dork.  :P

 

EDIT:  Dang.  No Prometheus this week.

Author
Time

Tyrphanax said:


... just a couple of the episodes from Season One (the show doesn't really pick up until Season Three).


You know, in my view, if a show that can't get you hooked after seeing just one episode, it's usually a strong indicator that it's not up to snuff.#Ilovefirefly.

Btw, several posters have hinted at a problem with CW. It's starting to get to a point where the characters are so entrenched, so developed, that their absence in ROTS is becoming a narrative issue. I'm speculating here, by I'm gonna say that this is related to the creators not really having a plan for the overarching narrative structure of the show. In other words, it seems they are going to make new seasons for it for as long as it's popular, but that could really become a problem. Indeed, the never-ending-show is often a narrative problem for any show. It became so for X-Files, for Twin Peaks and many others, because they set out with a pretty specific narrative base, but then tried to milk it for whatever it was worth, and there comes a point in the narrative, when you undermine its overall structure by making it too long.

In the case of the CW, it happens between Ep 2 and 3. That's a range of about 5 yearsish. There's only so much you can cram in there before it starts affecting AOTC and ROTS. I'll give you that five seasons (one per year of conflict) probably could be made to work. But at want point does it become so long as to undermine the movies? For a Star Wars fan, I think that's reasonably something to be concerned with. This show would probably be well served by producers making the same decision as was the case of the Battlestar Galactica: this story only goes so far - and when it's over, it's over, notwithstanding fan popularity. Maybe somebody knows if such a decision has already been made. I hope it has.

Author
Time

danaan said:

 

Darth Bizarro said:

Dude, you take Star Wars way too seriously.  

This goes beyond the argument of Star Wars being a part of our cultural heritage and film preservation.  A point that I am in full agreement on with basically everyone on this site.

What you're talking about though is contradictions in the "mythology" of a work of fiction which was based on actual mythology causing you physical and/or emotional pain.  No longer is this about the REAL issue of Lucas destroying our cultural heritage.  This is a whole new level of problems you seem to be experiencing.     

You don't just hate them.  Lots of people hate them, and I respect that fully.  I hate Alien 3, but I wouldn't be offended by someone showing up to a convention dressed as Ripley with their head shaved.  But for you, it seems, their very existence actually pains you.  That's not healthy dude.

George Lucas made some Star Wars movies, and you liked them.  Then he made more Star Wars movies, and you don't like them.  Simple as that.  Other people liking them shouldn't upset you so much.  


Hmm....

I dunno. Is my attitude unhealthy? I'm not at all convinced that it's as simple as that. For me, the issue of cultural heritage and my own love for this particular work of fiction are deeply intertwined. I abhor whenever cultural heritage of much "greater cultural standing" (high culture vs oop cultur, etc) becomes relativized, or even demolished. Think about how the Parthenon in Athens was blown up, how the Elgin marbles were removed from the building, how the library in Alexandria was burned by zealots, how Taliban destroyed Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, or what is now happening in Timbuktu. When someone says that history or our cultural heritage is useless or unimportant, I am outraged. I guess I'm just sensitive to such folly.

In the case of Star Wars, I loved that trilogy. It was probably my favourite movie experience when I was a kid. But it's more than that. I loved other movies, too - like Labyrinth, or the Never Ending Story. But revisiting them, they're just kinda "meh" to me now. Star Wars has lasted, because it is a classic of a whole different standing, and because of the profound messages. But now, those messages have been undermined, hollowed up, effectively destroyed by the PT and post-PT developments. So this is really a case of revisionism - Lucas fully intends, it seems, to destroy the memory that the SW saga was once something other than what the PT presents. Getting my hands on even the 2004 DVD is getting increasingly difficult. That's horrendous. And then some fan comes along and makes a statement to the effect of SW should be about Palpatine wielding dual lightsabers. It's, pardon the pun, lightyears from what the unaltered ANH-ROTJ series of films were about.

In conclusion - no, this is not about me being angry that others like films I don't like (though the elitist in me will always be baffled by the strange success of things like Dan Brown, Transformers or other such schlock). This about a set of very beautiful ideas in the form of a fairytale that has now been completely sidelined by Yoda doing computer-game shit. It's like seeing something I loved dearly die. Of course it hurts. And the fact that it does is just a testament to how much I loved it.

Btw, I can guarantee you that if the directors of other films I love dearly did the equivalent to what Lucas has been doing the past 15 years, I'd hurt over that, too. But they have the integrity to leave their work alone, or to offer several versions if they do want to tamper with their work after the fact, so there's no cause for mourning. In that sense, SW is uniquely ravaged by its progenitor.

Edit: Btw, there's plenty of other EU material I also feel does not live up to the OT. A recent example would be the TOR cinematics, which just seem to be regurgitating the visuals of the OT without any of the substance. The emphasis on the super-choreographed fights is one example. In one of them, they've even just re-written lines from ANH, which is the height of style over substance.

 

Ok.  Now that makes sense.  But I still don't know why you can't just ignore them like I ignore Alien 3.  As I said before.  Just because we might not like all of the expanded content of some of our favorite works of fiction, doesn't mean we should let that content ruin our day.  Just like Alien, Jaws, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, Superman, Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man, the Matrix, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Planet of the Apes, there will always be a few entries some of the fan base don't care for and shouldn't let their mear existence get them down. 

I understand Star Wars is a special case since not only does GL insist on making more movies and shows that some people don't like, but also makes changes to the old films to properly reflect the new canon.  But remember who's really at fault for that aren't the people who happen to find the Jar Jar hate a bit overblown.  Just because I don't hate the special editions completely doesn't mean that I don't also find it to be total bullcrap that I don't have a choice in the matter unless I'm willing to sit through a crappy laserdisc transfer or turn to Harmy.

"George, we hate you for making more Star Wars movies.  Please make more Star Wars movies."

-The Internet

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Darth Bizarro said:

  I like the original trilogy plus everything else.  

 i dunno...even this???

 

or this !?!?!?

 

 

i keeed i keeed.

anyway, I saw a couple clone war episodes on youtube.  one seemed pretty good - it was obi-wan going undercover and inflitrating a prison.  another one was not so good - it involved yet another boba fett/mandalorian storyline.  i don't like the animation of the characters.  It seemed dull and dark, but it coulda been the youtube.  and i really think it would help the series if they used the original theme - kinda perplexed on why they dont.  i still think the tarkosvsky cartoons in season 2 were more compelling.

the show seems to have a steady, if not spectacular following.  and its probably one of the only examples of something from the PT world that does not need to rely on the OT to gain acceptance.

but if its fun and not undignified and not copycat, cool.

click here if lack of OOT got you down

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Darth Bizarro said:

 Just like Alien, Jaws, Indiana Jones, Star Trek, Superman, Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man, the Matrix, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Planet of the Apes, there will always be a few entries some of the fan base don't care for and shouldn't let their mear existence get them down. 
 

maybe, but SW was not just another movie series. ;)

anyway, its easy to say that now and that is the way i view things nowadays.  Im not as dissapointed in the PT anymore because I now know lucas never had any 'saga' in mind and every bit of it was made up and as contrived as the Final Destination sequels.  Also having the despecialized OOT helps (thanks harmy!).  I'll just pop in AOTC on a rainy day like I do with Alien Ressurection or Friday The 13th part 3.

but at the time, it was infuriating because we were led to believe that there was a story planned and that lucas actually cared about story and characters more than special effects and merchandise.  this was not the case.  further more, for a great many fans, the films were not just bad, but filmmaking 101 bad.  For me personally, its this dishonesty and laziness and the supression of the OOT that sticks in the craw.

then i click on the link in my signature and i feel better.

click here if lack of OOT got you down

Author
Time
 (Edited)

pittrek said:

[rant]After reading this whole thread I wonder how many of you guys have a girlfriend/wife :-) [/rant off]

---------------------TMI & POTENTIAL CHUNDER WARNING IN FORCE--------------------------------------------------------- 

Pretty much gayosexual though being in a monogamous relationship for nearly a decade I think I can't really define myself in sexual terms (beyond vigorous wrist exercise) any more.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As for the show I kind of lost track somewhere near the end of season 2 and haven't purchased any of the other DVD sets but I rather liked what I did see most of the time.

It reminded me of reading the Marvel comics between the first two films when I was a kid.

As for Prometheus, go in with very low expectations and you might get something out of it.

 

 

Author
Time

Darth Bizarro said:

 I ignore Alien 3.

Them's fightin' words!

Author
Time

As I've said in the past, it's more "fun" than the prequels to me. The CW version of Anakin is someone actually likeable, and I can believe is Luke's father.

They actually pulled off the near impossible feat of making Jar Jar tolerable.

And the Chewbacca episodes rocked. ;)

Forum Moderator

Where were you in '77?

Author
Time

As a huge Boba Fett/Mandalorian fan, I am not much pleased with what Lucas did to Fett in AOTC, and I hate what Karen Traviss did to the Mandalorians in her sad excuse for Mary-Sue Ridden literature; that said, I'm finding Boba a much more compelling and interesting character thanks to The Clone Wars (though he is something of a talkative brat who is still very much wet-behind-the-ears to a duncey degree, but I'm hoping they're setting up some character development with that), bitter as I am about his treatment in AOTC, the show makes him likable and interesting.

And The Clone Wars has given me a very interesting treatment of the Mandalorians to entertain (and it remains to be seen if it will enter into my personal canon [that is largely dependent on if the Death Watch end up taking Mandalore back to basics, though I would also like to see a return to the True Mandalorians of Jaster Mereel's train of thought]); the whole pacifist thing can be easily explained after the whole Massacre of Galidraan from Open Seasons, and it'll be exciting to see where they go with it.

The same holds true with Anakin, who I think we all believe is one of the most mishandled characters in the prequels. The Clone Wars you actually see him as a hero, doing heroic things and being a good guy who everyone likes and trusts; you're always rooting for him to save the day. It's really hard to imagine this Anakin falling to the dark side, until he loses control and you're reminded of just who this guy becomes and what the whole series is leading up to, really (and it's interesting to note that Anakin and Angry Anakin really do seem like two different characters, so you can understand where Obi-Wan is coming from when he muses that Vader and not Anakin was seduced by the dark side).

The show also makes the clones into characters, as well. Instead of a bunch of nameless, mindless drones, we get to see that they all have their own personalities and thoughts. Half the time, they're the best characters of the show, and I always love when they do spotlight episodes on them because they're really the human element of the show in a universe full of The Force, they're just your average joe soldiers with no special powers, that, plus their more human personalities make them really easy to relate to. And when they die, you feel it.

And yes, the show also makes Jar-Jar stomachable. He's still an idiot, but he's not an idiot just to be one, and as the show progresses, he becomes more competent... or at least puts his idiocy to good use. I can't believe I'm saying that.

And yes, there's flashy action and saber battles and lasers flying all over, but there are also poignant moments as well: like when Yoda inspires his small band of wounded clones; or when we see the clones of Domino squad go from trainees to real soldiers and the friends they see die along the way; or when Boba has to decide whether or not to kill his hostages in cold blood; or when the slave girl or Death Watch sympathizer commit suicide rather than be captured; or when Waxer and Boyle find the little Twi-Lek girl and have to bring her safely home; or when the Captain Keeli and Ima-Gun Di (get it?) are overrun by battledroids on Ryloth; or when Anakin goes out of control after he thinks Obi-Wan was killed; or when Anakin gets a glimpse of his future on Mortis; or when Rex finds out that he's been betrayed by his commander and his men have been attacking their brothers. There are way more than this, too, but this is what they don't show you in the trailers and previews, and it's what keeps me coming back to the series. Not the flash and the bang, but the deeper layers and meanings behind stuff, and it's just (usually) so well done and intriguing and makes sense. Filoni really knows how to please Lucas and (many of) the fans.

Personally, I feel like The Clone Wars is what the prequels should have been.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

END OF LINE

(It hasn’t happened yet)