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So here’s the (refocused) plan:

Having now gone through a bunch of episodes plus a few major edits, more of the approach this will need is taking shape. I think, in a way, this is going to be part edit, part guide, and part full polish pass. I’m glad I used the VIDEO system - it’s one I use for requirements capture at work (fuck MoSCoW system, VIDEO crew 4 lyf) - because I think that’ll inform my approach.

Essentially, in order to get the most quality out as quickly as possible, I’ll approach the edit in VIDEO order. So I’ll complete this full review pass, which will give me the master list of my edit’s episodes (some from grouped arcs, some not), and I’ll remove anything objectionable - that is, any episodes which are simply unsalveageable and not worth any watch for any reason. Then, at least, people have a decent guide.

I’ll then start editing, vital first. I’ll start with my modified version of Smudger’s first movie, and make that available. Then I’ll move on to our important episodes, then our desirable ones. All three of these categories will be allowed to use and consume content from the others if it helps improve their quality. Finally, I’ll do the slow pass through the remainder, making them as good as possible - but keeping them marked as excludable.

What I’ll also do, as I start with that skeleton before adding more meat, will be to look at the pacing as a whole (without overtly breaking chronology). So first, just the pacing of the vital episodes. By this logic, the Nightsisters arc should really end up as early as we can possibly justify it, to get us into the meat of the Maul arc as soon as possible. After the vitals, I’ll fit the importants around those vitals. Desirable episodes can then be used to surround perhaps those vital or important episodes which aren’t quite as much fun as we’d hope.

So essentially, we’ll get our best core up quickest, then fill in the gaps.

This way I’ll also be able to get the most feedback on the most important episodes, which I’ll tweak and improve as we go.

I’d urge anyone with an interest to think along with the reviews I’m doing, and with the goal of pure quality in mind (as opposed to moviefication for its own sake) would ask you to think about ways that any elements of any story can best be used to add value to any other. A good example of this is Smudger’s first movie, where the otherwise fairly bland story of Anakin and Obi-Wan rescuing Eeth Koth is used in context as part of Grievous’ plan to pull Jedi away from his true target of Kamino.

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S02E18-19 Zillo Beast Duology - Excludable

This is nearly objectionable, because Palpatine (not Sidious) is so villainous in it. I also don’t like how it’s ostensibly about how the Zillo Beast could mean better (lightsaber proof!) armour for clones, but then nothing comes of this. That said, it is pretty great fun. It’s skippable but I’d like to turn this into a fun little romp episode.

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S02E20-22 - Boba Fett Trilogy - Desirable

This one’s nearly important, because it’s a good Boba episode, and recent media may be developing Boba a little further. But ultimately it doesn’t serve our core. It’s interesting and fun, with plenty of good moments. I’d maybe cut the creatures which R2 fights, since they’re just padding and R2 gets some fun combat that’s more important to the plot elsewhere.

The third episode gives us our first major taste of Coruscant’s underworld, which will be explored further later in the series. It also gives us some good Hondo, hitting a lot of the character beats as in his introduction in the problematic Dooku Captured episodes, which is helpful.

We also get some good Ahsoka/Plo Koon relationship (taking pressure off the problematic Malevolence arc), which also references her growth since joining Anakin.

As an aside, I’ve noticed that this is one of a few episodes early on where Ahsoka isn’t taken on Anakin’s more dangerous missions. I think that’s quite a nice touch, and I’ll try to preserve some of it in the overall story.

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Having watched its components, I’ve now watched Smudger’s second movie. As again it’s extremely technically competent, this time merging the capture of Gunray, most of the Boba Fett arc, the Malevolence arc, and a scene from the Zillo Beast. He’s created new dialogues and new interpretations.

I hope it’s clear that I have the utmost respect for Smudger - I’ve always been a big advocate of his work and uploaded them all recently so they could be more widely enjoyed.

But I need to be analytical here, with the intention of releasing (in my subjective opinion) the best experience. This second movie, while unquestionably brilliant, illustrates those two main issues you face when one adheres to the cinematic approach.

Firstly, whilst it interlaces (in a very polished way) a lot of storylines, they weren’t designed to run together so there isn’t a central momentum to the movie and to me it felt like a sequence of unconnected events, which got a little mentally tiring over the full two hours.

Secondly, while it uses mainly decent arcs and is full of good moments, the third act is malevolence, whose final act is quite goofy, which really takes the wind out of the episode’s sails. As far as I’m concerned, an arc is only as good as its worst (unavoidable) content.

I must emphasise, that if you do have the goal of turning TCW into movies, that I believe that Smudger’s are the best that could possibly be produced. I’m simply believing that there’s a justifiable case for an alternative approach.

I think I’m probably hammering this point home a bit too much - I know I’ve said it plenty before - but this is a braindump as I review the series and other approaches in order to load it into my head as completely as possible. I’ll be returning to these thoughts as I work through the edits, and I’d also like them here for people to consider and react to.

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S02E04-08 - The Second Battle of Geonosis Arc - Important

This one’s the lower end of Important since it doesn’t add value to wider media beyond some good Ahsoka development (including Barriss) and setting up Clovis, but it is very good. (And yes, it returns us to a movie location and sets up Rebels’ reveal of the Geonosian genocide, but this doesn’t add value to that.)

The first episode, Senate Spy, starts with some lovely believable Anakin/Padme romance followed by some good tension in their relationship. We could maybe get through this episode quicker in a couple of places but for a low action episode there’s a lot that’s compelling.

The next two are some good battle episodes, but in contrast to the comparable Ryloth and Malevolence arcs, there are a lot of meaningful character moments within the larger scale combat.

The final two are a great zombie romp with more character development for Ahsoka. They do belong together, but a bit of interleaving might improve the pacing. I’d probably split these two off from the prior episodes, ending the prior two with Ahsoka’s believed death, for a bit of a cliffhanger.

I think this episode works best a little later in the series. If we take the point where the character models get updated as a natural breakpoint, then we can treat up to then as the establishment of the war and the core relationships, of which th maturation of Ahsoka is our emotional focus. Putting this episode right up against the character model update gives us an episode where Ahsoka seems her most competent and matured, and a little healthy trauma can justify her upcoming choice of costume change.

We also see Anakin being aggressive in order to protect Ashoka. A nice dark moment (that belongs a little later in the series) which also means we get this concept in a better way than when he angrily tries to save R2 in that arc.

And, a major battle seems a good high stakes era ending. I think in my crawl for this I’d tie the creation of the new droid factory as a direct response to the failiure of the Separatists to destroy the Kamino facility, now necessitating more forces to survive the ongoing conflict. As much as possible, I’ll try to emphasise the ebb and flow of the war in the text. My Star Wars geography is one of my weaker points so I might see about mapping it all out once I’ve got the episodes in a good order.

Speaking of which, after the character model update, we have to dive straight into the Nightsisters arc, to get the Maul plot kicked off as quickly as possible.

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While I’m not replying I am finding myself jumping into this thread multiple times a day because I am enjoying your thought process here. I think this is a great approach.

One question regarding to Geonosis arc - I really liked how Smudger interlaced the events with Anakin on the planet with Ahsoka and Barris on the ship. I think it was one of his most effective examples of making two episodes flow as one. Is that something you are considering here?

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evansj1983 said:

While I’m not replying I am finding myself jumping into this thread multiple times a day because I am enjoying your thought process here. I think this is a great approach.

One question regarding to Geonosis arc - I really liked how Smudger interlaced the events with Anakin on the planet with Ahsoka and Barris on the ship. I think it was one of his most effective examples of making two episodes flow as one. Is that something you are considering here?

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Hah, you said that just as I was editing my own post to add that thought. Once I’ve watched the first Mandalore arc I’ll be diving into Smudger’s Geonosis/Mandalore film to see how he’s handled things- and it’s no surprise that he’s opted to interlace those two since it does make sense.

(Whether or not I think moviefying the episodes is the right approach, a huge priority will always be episode polish so I’m still very interested in how he and other editors are doing things.)

And I’m glad you’re enjoying these updates! It’s an important brain dump, but I was worried that people would think I was being obnoxious by updating so frequently. It’s good to know that people are getting a kick out of it, and who knows how many lurkers are themselves getting inspired by an intimate look at the process.

Please, anyone who’s reading this, add your voices to this discussion, even to respond to my older posts. Agree or disagree, it’ll all help focus the project.

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As I start watching the first Mandalore arc, I’m reminded of a particular metric people are going to be judging this by if they’re coming from the Mandalorian TV show, which our first Mandalore episode must maintain in order to keep peoples’ interest:

Mandalorians are badass.

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That’s a nice way of ordering the episodes to make the animation revamp more meaningful. Maybe the order could go like this:

  • ARC Troopers
  • Geonosis (4 episodes)
  • Heroes on Both Sides (the fall of the Geonosian factories could have made the civilian Separatists more willing to pursue diplomacy)
  • Nightsisters/Savage (3 episodes)
  • Mortis, Citadel, Deception, etc.
  • Ventress/Maul (4 episodes)

Even if we try to bring Maul into the mix as soon as possible, there has to be some arcs placed between the S3 Nightsisters arc and the S4 Ventress/Maul. For example in the S4 episodes Boba Fett and Bossk have already escaped prison as depicted in “Deception”.

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Yeah, something like that. Though I haven’t yet finished the review, I think we have 16 vital arcs. These will be ordered around each other for best pacing, then importants and desirables will be fit around those.

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S02E12-14 - The first Mandalore Arc - Vital

Our first Vital episode other than Ahsoka’s intro, so we’re having this whether we like it or not.

Luckily, it’s meaty, and carries especially good weight if you’ve seen the Mandalorian show. It’s visually interesting, and has one of the show’s major developments for Obi-Wan. It also has some nice reflections on the Jedi in their new role as warriors as opposed to peacekeepers, and it’s a fun twist to have Palpatine revealed as part of what caused Mando culture to start to revert to its warlike ways.

As a bonus, it’s also our first major arc to explore more of coruscant, with some designs which are Ralph McQuarrie art from the original trilogy back when the Republic capital was known only as Imperial Center.

I might trim the part where Obi-Wan is caught in a factory, if possible, though this might need some tricky cuts. The second and third could probably be tightened a bit too.

You could also split this into two episodes, since the third doesn’t immediately follow the second.

Ahsoka does not appear in this arc.

I think this episode belongs early in our new ordering, for a couple of reasons:

  • Within the context of the real world in which peoole are choosing to pick up the Clone Wars because they enjoy other elements of the franchise, it’ll tell viewers of the show who are coming into this that they’re going to get content relevant to the Mandalorian and/or the popular finale of the show
  • Within the context just of this show, introducing third parties early generates some interest that this isn’t just going to be battles between clones and droids with no real jeopardy. Each third party introduces a new wild card.

The only real negative here is that following the opening episode with this one would mean relatively little Ahsoka.

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EddieDean said:

Hah, you said that just as I was editing my own post to add that thought. Once I’ve watched the first Mandalore arc I’ll be diving into Smudger’s Geonosis/Mandalore film to see how he’s handled things- and it’s no surprise that he’s opted to interlace those two since it does make sense.

(Whether or not I think moviefying the episodes is the right approach, a huge priority will always be episode polish so I’m still very interested in how he and other editors are doing things.)

And I’m glad you’re enjoying these updates! It’s an important brain dump, but I was worried that people would think I was being obnoxious by updating so frequently. It’s good to know that people are getting a kick out of it, and who knows how many lurkers are themselves getting inspired by an intimate look at the process.

Please, anyone who’s reading this, add your voices to this discussion, even to respond to my older posts. Agree or disagree, it’ll all help focus the project.

+1 for being a part of the peanut gallery. I find myself refreshing the thread multiple times a day!

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I’m following closely as well. It’s been too long since I watched the show to offer any salient advice, but really looking forward to this coming to fruition.

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Let’s return to the idea of ordering and pacing. In the era before the character models are updated, if we look purely at Vital or Important episodes, I think we’re looking like this:

  1. The Battles of Muunilinst and Hypori - Anakin helps win some early victories, including fighting the new sith assassin Ventress, then gets knighted. Some people have an objection to the Tartakovsky show so I think it’s right to keep this one trim so we can cover off all the key points. I wouldn’t call this skippable but if someone chose to they wouldn’t miss out too much.
  2. The Battles of Christophsis and Kamino - Domino squad are tested while Anakin meets Ahsoka, then they all return to defend Kamino against a competent plot from Grievous. It’s good to focus on the clones so early, and makes sense for the Separatists to target it as early as possible.
  3. The Holocron Crisis - Cad Bane steals a holocron from the Jedi temple in order to kidnap force sensitive kids for Palpatine. This arc often gets overlooked but it’s fun, vibrant, varied, and features good character moments for almost all of our main cast. It’s a very well rounded episode (more so than the Mandalore arc) and lets us spend time with Ahsoka after her introduction, so I think it works best before it.
  4. The Mandalore Crisis - The Death Watch are revealed as active on Mandalore’s moon, and thanks to Obi-Wan and Padme, fail to gain power on Mandalore. This introduces all of the Mandalore elements for the show, as well as the idea of neutral factions and third parties, so it’s good to get in up front.
  5. The Second Battle of Geonosis - Padme and Clovis cause issues for Anakin, Geonosis is a decent battle, and we get some good development for Ahsoka both in the battle and after when we fight brain worms.

Look at that fivesome! I think that’s an excellent introduction to the series, if I do say so myself. The key character relationships are all well established, we get a lot of good development, and they’re a varied and balanced set.

In terms of introducing the other good episodes which belong in this block, I think I’d put them after the Mandalore arc, because I think the audience would prefer to get to Mandalore quickest. We could follow that with Cloak of Darkness, which is Ahsoka heavy, having not had her in the previous hour. The Deserter, Boba Fett arc, and attempted assassination of Padme, would also fit nicely in this block, for some good variety. (The second Mandalore arc would also fit here, but I haven’t reviewed it yet).

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I like your ideas so far - I’ve also been lurking. I’m not entirely sold on the idea of intercutting the Domino Squad arc with Christophsis (though I admit I’ve not seen any of Smudger’s edits), since all the other edits you’ve described so far are focused more on a single arc/battle/event. Isn’t there the implication of a significant time jump between Clone Cadets, Rookies and ARC Troopers?

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It’s a valid spot. Certainly that’s the most problematic of the arcs I’ve presented in the list above, because as you say it’s a mashup, something I’ve said I’m against.

The issues it solves are that firstly, as you say, the Domino Squad arc does have a little implied time jumping. This is almost entirely solved by dialogue trims and intercutting. And the Christophsis arc has content that’s (1) interesting but not vital, then (2) good but not great this early in the show, then (3) vitally introduces Ahsoka but is not very good. So the solution there would be to intercut it with something good.

Smudger spotted this, and his movie really works. It includes some elements I’d trim, but I think it’s the best way of presenting both arcs- I suppose my project’s first rule isn’t so much “no movies” as “best presentation”, and I think in this case Smudger found the best.

Also, since this episode would be Ahsoka light, I think that justifies it being followed by the Holocron arc rather than Mandalore.

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Watching Smudger’s Mandalore/Geonosis movie now.

Smudger trims a good amount from the second Mandalore episode, where I might have kept some more of the dialogue, including the scene where Anakin kills in cold blood with a smile on his face while Obi-Wan and Satine both hesitate. I still got the feeling that the first two episodes should be split in time from the third.

He also trims some of the nice Anakin/Padme romance from the Geonosis arc, which I think should stay. I also think the Clovis elements have a little context missing right off the bat, which I’d reintroduce - though I understand why he found himself pressed to keep the episode trim.

This movie barely interlaces the two arcs, essentially just playing Mandalore then Geonosis, with only the last and first episode of each arc intercut. He also uses some intercutting to imply that the destruction of the Geonosis factory is one of the reasons that Dooku can’t really back the Death Watch invasion of Mandalore, though this doesn’t quite land for me. It’s a fine way to consume these arcs if you want to watch for two hours, but I think it supports the idea that his first movie was able to take advantage of some particularly lucky opportunities.

There is also one odd part in the first Geonosis episode where the background music cuts out- but I’m not here to criticise these things.

Smudger’s interlacing of the two Geonosian worm-zombie episodes is fantastic. Especially the beginning, where what’s happened to the troopers is kept mysterious and ominous, and the way that it’s uncovered by each of the two parties in different ways. I’ll probably steal this wholesale.

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S03E05-06 - The Second Mandalore arc - Important

Right then, next up is the second Mandalore arc. Thankfully the second episode isn’t dependent on the first.

The good of the first episode is that we get more Satine, and that Padme gets some good non-politics action and her strong character comes out. There’s also some good focused dialogue that reminds us where they stand in the war.

But, the bad: It’s boring as hell. Especially if you’re expecting to see Mandalorians doing their awesome thing. It’s about internal non-Death-Watch issues. Kids getting poisoned by drinking cheap drinks just isn’t an interesting plot. And in no Star Wars media should we hear the line “The schools have received adequate government funding!”

This one has to remain 4. Excludable.

The second though, is the important one. It’s not vital, because the changes it imposes on Mandalore can be worked around in other ways. But it gives us some kids who’ll eventually resist Maul’s rule, and shows us Almec’s machinations.

It’s not a great story but it’s not terrible. It’s good to see Ahsoka being a competent teacher and making wise decisions, but it doesn’t add much to her character by this point.

I might see if I can get some of the good Padme moments from the prior episode into this one, and I’ll probably trim the dialogue around the Jedi mind trick.

The other problem with this episode is that it doesn’t feature any proper Mandos being badass. But there’s no way around this.

I might upgrade this one to Vital if later episodes come to depend on it more - but preferably it wouldn’t be so key.

Onwards to the mop-up episodes from before the character model change. I reckon I’ll get through them all tonight!

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S02E17 - Bounty Hunters - Desirable

This is one of the better one-off episodes. Obi-Wan, Anakin and Ahsoka crash land on Felucia (pretty!) and decide to help the locals, who have hired some bounty hunters, to defend themselves against Hondo Ohnaka’s gang of pirates. It shows the limits of the republic, some of the little folks’ lack of faith in it, and Anakin being required to train locals to fend for themselves, as he will do with the Onderonian resistance.

This makes a good alternative intro to Hondo, since he talks about how he, Obi-Wan and Anakin “go way back” without giving any more detail, and he also demonstrates his usual strange version of honour, so this is a good episode to introduce him in place of Dooku Captured, which is a far more problematic episode.

I might look to merge this one with The Deserter, since that one’s short if you focus on the meat, and they’re both thematically similar but not too tied to the main plot. You probably couldn’t imply it’s the same crash, but a bit of up front text could present it properly.

S01E13-14 - The Battle of Maridun (Jedi Crash and Defenders of Peace) - Excludable

Pretty crappy episode here. Aayala Secura and Ahsoka crash on a planet inhabited by utterly boring pacifists (especially worthless when compared to Satine’s Mandalorians) and a boring Neimoidian comes and decides to test the a weapon which only destroys organic matter like Clones - a too-powerful weapon not to appear again*. Anakin is injured and Ahsoka seems committed to helping him, but that’s not a particularly interesting bit of character development. It’s just not a valuable episode.

(* Yes, I know the defoliator reappears in Massacre but they’re not armoured opponents so it’s not implicitly so strong, also it doesn’t fire)

It does have an excellent opening scene (the crash itself) which I might see about using somewhere else.

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S01E15 - Trespass - Excludable

Seeing snowtrooper clones is cool, but otherwise this is a very paint-by-numbers story about mistaking natives for savages and a bit of selfish corruption. It’s fine, and the snowy setting is a bit interesting, but there’s nothing fresh and no value add here.

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S03E04 - Sphere of Influence - Objectionable

This one loosely follows the prior episode I watched, Trespass. It starts with a trade blockade and its negotiations, and then we get to meet the characters which represent George Lucas and his real kids, so you know you’re in for… no fun whatsoever. There’s a bit of light intrigue in this, but the politics are ultimately super boring, the characters are charmless, and it adds nothing. It has Greedo in it, in another example of how just showing something that exists somewhere else in Star Wars does not equal quality. I’d call this Objectionable but I think you only really cringe if you know it’s George’s actual family. Which you do now. Actually fuck it, I’m changing this to Objectionable, Jabba’s baby has just shown up and I don’t want to have to try to edit this.

As an aside, just looking at the data, it looks like the following things I find most objectionable:

  • Gungans, in particular Jar Jar
  • Hutts played for jokes in a way that cheapens their menace
  • Toydarians
  • LOL I’M WACKY humour, done most with Jar Jar
  • LOL I’M DUMB humour, most frequently seen with B1 Battle Droids
  • Bland alien designs
  • The worst looking locations

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S01E17-18 - The Blue Shadow Virus Arc - Objectionable

I know I’m watching through the early mop-up episodes but I’m already getting burnt out on the volume of the shite ones. It’s episodes like these which are what put people off this show.

Padme and Jar Jar go back to Naboo because separatists have been seen there. We’re immediately presented with featureless grasslands (reminding us that episode one featured featureless grasslands even in live action), we get goofy costumes and more goofy gungans and a goofy villain with a dumb motive (he’s got a German accent so you know he’s an evil scientist), and the plot about a virus is handled in an extremely boring way. Plus, a lot of the plot points depend on Jar Jar’s antics so they can’t be cut around.

There are two gorgeous shots of Naboo.

The second episode has them contract the virus and have 48 hours before they die, so they go to Iego (reminding us that Anakin thought Padme was an angel from Iego in some of his worst dialogue) where they meet a goofy kid who’s hacked a bunch of battle droids who helps save the day. Add in some carnivirous plants behaving like animals and an energy net in space and this is just an absolutely horrible mess. We see Anakin obviously care for Padme over most other things, but again, that’s done elsewhere. The Iego angels are also fairly interesting, but it’s like one shot and one line. It’s not worth preserving.

This is also the arc where Padme and Ahsoka are first seen together (other than briefly via hologram), but they don’t acknowledge it at all so you lose nothing by cutting this. I guess it’s just implied they got to know each other in the interim.

And look, I know some people like Jar Jar. I know there’s no right way to enjoy Star Wars, a lot of variety for a lot of tastes, and I don’t want to gatekeep it for people. I’m not a prequel hater or an episode one hater. I just feel like the parts of Star Wars represented by this episode are far removed from the Star Wars that makes your spine tingle at key moments like when Mando’s speeder makes its long run across the Tattooine desert, when Luke looks out across his homestead at the Twin Suns, when Ahsoka walks away from the Jedi order, or when Luke shows Rey how to feel what the force really is on Ach-To. I’m not saying this edit will be anywhere near that quality, but I feel like that’s the side of Star Wars I want to be swinging this edit towards.

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S02E11 - Lightsaber Lost - Excludable

This episode lands an absolutely cracking “something fishy” joke about an aquatic species. Ahsoka learns from a wiser Jedi archivist to slow down - though that’s the whole lesson.

This one’s tricky. It’s a solo adventure with a bit of growth, and another Ahsoka in the underworld episode, much like Lethal Trackdown (where she travels with Plo), the arc where she leaves the Jedi order, and the Martez sisters arc. It’s not Important growth, for sure. I just don’t know if it has enough value to call it Desirable. I think I’m tending towards calling it Excludable, because I don’t think we want to overdo Ahsoka in the underworld. I don’t know, it’s fun to explore the city, especially to have someone basically just do parkour over the whole thing, but I think I’ll return to this judgment after watching more of the other similar episodes.

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