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Honestly I’d say no, leave them as they are. As you said, if one does not want to go over a weak episode, well, just skip it, IMO it’s much better than contaminating the best parts of the show.
Here’s a question for y’all:
Where I have one weaker and one stronger episode, each with different main characters and no overlap, should I consider merging the two? The advantages would be that the stronger would enhance the weaker, and that a single episode might be more bitesize; but the disadvantages would be a possible disconnect of plot, and that people then couldn’t avoid the weaker episode.
I’m thinking specifically about merging Seven Warriors (trio vs Hondo on Felucia) with Retribution (Lair of Grievous/Massacre), and Monsters (Obi-Wan and the return of Maul) with Attachments (Anakin and Ahsoka’s Jedi Crash).
Honestly I’d say no, leave them as they are. As you said, if one does not want to go over a weak episode, well, just skip it, IMO it’s much better than contaminating the best parts of the show.
Id also say no, I think it mainly would disconnect the plot of the episodes.
“You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view” — Obi-Wan Kenobi
Yeah, I don’t think it’s a great idea either. I was very sleep deprived this morning!
Say, I’ve been wondering about the “Ventress: Bounty Hunter” episode (it’s actually one of my favorite episodes of the series, so I was kinda heartbroken for not seeing it on the main project). Do you plan to make any changes/adjustments/trims, or leave it pretty much intact as just a bonus episode?
Pretty much intact, but it’s relatively high up the to-do list.
What about Hunt for Ziro, any chance for that one? I know it’s not that good (and IIRC it also needs a whole bunch of other weak episodes so the story makes sense), but… it’s the only in depth appearance of Quinlan Vos we have in current canon so far, so I (and, I assume, a lot others) do have a weak spot for it.
That one’s in my “not ever gonna touch” pile, sorry!
…But, y’know, if I ever find myself with absolutely nothing to do…
That said, see my earlier post about how to stick TCW intros and outros onto a given episode, if you must!
That one’s in my “not ever gonna touch” pile, sorry!
…But, y’know, if I ever find myself with absolutely nothing to do…
That said, see my earlier post about how to stick TCW intros and outros onto a given episode, if you must!
You’re not a fan of the way TCW portrayed Quinlan Vos? Or is it because of the cartoonish hutts lazy plot that goes on forever on the first couple seasons? If it’s the second case, maybe just the Obi-Wan/Quinlan interactions could be cut around and fit nicely into another episode?
The Vos stuff was great, it was just that it was too connected to the Ziro plot, which was horrible, that there wouldn’t be a plot left if it were cut around. I considered a lot of options for other places to use that content, but ultimately couldn’t find anything.
Hi, does this cut include seasons 6 and 7? or are they kind of extra for the series? I have never actually watches the clone wars series but id rather watch something cool like this where a lot of the filler has been taken out!
It’s the whole thing (and more!)
All of this information is in the first post here - I’d recommend you give it a read.
Is “s03e00b - TALES FROM THE CLONE WARS” not part of the project anymore? Or has it been integrated elsewhere? I don’t see it in the spreadsheet.
It’s been replaced by DREAMS OF DESTINY, which makes better use of that content. The remaining stuff will end up in a replacement TOTCW episode, albeit a much less important one.
Minor update: I’ve reviewed my ‘Attachments’ episode and decided it’s fine as is. That one I wasn’t very confident about, but after a year and a half with no feedback, I think we can safely call it complete, not a workprint. But that means that with the next episode (see next post), that’s all the in-progress episodes of the main cut finished.
(That said, I have been considering using a mix of Lightsaber Lost and Grievous Intrigue in place of Attachments, because it really is quite weak, and those two are probably the strongest alternative. We’d lose a bit of showing Ahsoka caring for Anakin, which probably isn’t too vital, but gain in some better character development and a good near-success for Grievous.)
Update: This episode now has new dialogue to help smooth the two main plotlines and make the whole more cohesive. It feels much more solid now.
This episode is a continuation of the plotline established in the Nightsisters arc, which leads into the Savage/Maul plotline to follow. It’s placed here to allow us to eagerly anticipate and get to Maul within this season, and to make Ventress’ reaction to the events of the Nightsister arc come fairly soon afterwards.
It merges the plotlines of Lair of Grievous and Massacre, to present an all-new story. Lair of Grievous contained some interesting texture and good villainy for Grievous, but had a lot of filler and its emotional core wasn’t strong enough to stand alone. Massacre was always great fun, but it was really Dooku that had the personal grievance against the Nightsisters, not Grievous. So what I’ve done here is had Ventress leak the location of Grievous’ base to the Jedi, as a vengeful strike against Dooku and his war. Here that event is what now draws the Jedi to Grievous’ Lair (rather than pursuing Nute Gunray as in the original), triggering the events of Lair of Grievous. And now, when Grievous initiates the Nightsister massacre in Massacre, the events there (including Ventress and Grievous’ one-on-one duel) are more personal. This also builds on their dislike of each other as seen in the Domino Squad arc. Having Ventress be more directly responsible for the fall of the Nightsisters also adds a new layer to her guilt, which plays nicely with her original lines about this being all her fault, and helps justify the softening of her character that we see later.
Since Grievous has no visible mouth, and Dooku has his back to the camera quite a lot when he’s in hologram, I was able to do a lot of audio work to keep referencing the Nightsisters throughout the Lair of Grievous content.
I also end this episode with some scenes originally from the beginning of Brothers (where Savage finds Maul), showing Savage getting closer to finding Maul and having Dooku and Grievous ominously show further concern. My intention here is to create some anticipation and continue to make this show feel more serialised than anthology. (I’m not sure quite how well this works, so interested in feedback here)
Noteworthy changes (new changes in bold):
Great edit but the then dead jedi master di Gallia making a chronological misstep in the series order.
RELEASED - S03E06b - The Citadel Rescue (v2.0)
- RELEASE VERSION.
- This is a BONUS episode that is NOT part of my recommended viewing order! (See below!)
- This is numbered as episode 6B of season three - fitting between s03e06 and s03e07 if you want to watch it.
- Comprising the original episodes The Citadel, Counterattack, and Citadel Rescue.
- Running 65 minutes.
- DOWNLOAD LINK is in the tracker spreadsheet, PM me for access.
- Note: It’s recommended that you download this before watching, rather than streaming it directly from Google Drive.
By popular request, here’s the Citadel arc, added into TCW:R. I don’t vouch for this episode as part of TCW:R, indeed it is NOT part of my ‘Recommended’ cut (or my ‘Filoniverse’ cut) of the show. Instead, this belongs to what I call the ‘Continuity’ cut - additional content mainly just for those people who don’t mind weaker content so long as it expands on characters from wider canon (in this case Tarkin and Echo).
But, importantly, it IS a bit weaker than other episodes - so please consider yourself warned before you mark me down for its inclusion! I don’t recommend it for a first-time viewer, or one who is mainly looking for a quality watch. It’s here as an optional extra, mainly for those who know they like it.
Why don’t I recommend it? And should you watch it on your run-through? Firstly, let’s look at why people have requested it, and why it remains a popular arc:
- Firstly, it features a semi-major (to the Clone Wars) character death, which becomes a major plot point the Bad Batch show. So a lot of people think it’s important for that reason alone.
- Secondly, because it features Tarkin, and some good Anakin-Tarkin content. I completely agree on this point - they’re great scenes.
- Thirdly (but far less importantly), there are a few other decent elements, like a bit of ‘state of the war’ drama, and Plo Koon’s appearance.
But, why don’t I like it? Your mileage may vary, of course, but for me:
- There is VERY little meat beyond the Anakin-Tarkin content. There’s barely an emotional core to the story, Ahsoka’s plotline barely gives us anything new for her character, and though it talks a big game (with the Nexus Route and arguably the most useful Separatist droids), it has no impact on the wider story of the Clone Wars and these plotlines are never picked up again. Everything it does (other than Tarkin), other episodes do better.
- The pacing is SLOW. It’s an hour of combat and travel, split-up and meet-up, capture and escape. All of the combat is more of the same we’ve seen before, and I spend my watches through this desperately awaiting the next nugget of dialogue.
- The aesthetic is poor. It’s got a very cool looking planet - purple cracked with rivers of yellow lava - but once that cool impact starts to fade it makes for an extremely dull and repetitive backdrop, more akin to the early season one/two locations. Osi Sobeck is yet another hammy cackling villain, and it over-uses lightning-like energy fields, which I especially dislike in Star Wars.
- The character death I mentioned above is extremely throwaway. It’s not a focus of the episode, and that character doesn’t feature other than to die in an explosion, meaning that all you need is the characters in a future episode to say “oh yeah, he died offscreen” to get the same impact.
- Many of the episode’s ideas are cheaply used without considering their impact on other content: The use of carbon freezing both pre-Empire and without eye damage. Republic-hacked battle droids (never used again). New Separatist battle droids with legitimately useful design and tactics (never used again). The idea of a secret hyperspace lane between rival homeworlds (never used again).
It is a load of better-elsewhere blandness and frustration wrapped around a very small amount of interesting content. I don’t know, maybe I’ve just got a stick up my arse about this one. Look, it’s not bad, it’s just fine. Either way, you asked for it, so here it is!
Anyway, when it came to editing this, I was hoping to find some sensible trims, but like the first time I reviewed this content, I found it’s a particularly hard one to cut. The goofy droids carry important plot, the frustrating use of carbon freezing is necessary, the good Anakin-Tarkin dialogue can’t be removed from an otherwise pretty worthless ‘split up’/‘meet up’ sequence, and so on. Ultimately, rather than do a deep dive on the feasibility of possible routes for polish (like focusing solely on Anakin’s side of the ‘split up’ sequence), I opted to just leave it all as-is. There are maybe a couple of combats which could have been cut, but I don’t think there’s value in trying to unpick the whole thing and put it back together again.
So, essentially, this is just the full three episodes, stitched together. The only change I made was removing the redundant opening scene.
Noteworthy changes:
- This episode is titled ‘The Citadel Rescue’. I figured that people looking for this need the word ‘Citadel’ in there, and I haven’t edited it enough to justify a fruity new name.
- Regarding placement, I think it belongs here, in the middle of Ahsoka’s journey to independence, but before her more extreme trials later this season.
- I used the opening crawl to essentially replace the original newsreel and the very first scene. The first scene is exposition, and repeated a lot of content from the newsreel anyway, so I killed two birds with one stone and just covered that initial plot, so we can kick off the episode with Ahsoka wanting to join.
- I also, in the crawl, mentioned that the droids there fight captive Jedi to develop new tactics. Hopefully that explains why we see some very competent droids here that we won’t see again.
- Other than that, it’s all as-is.
I will take suggestions for trims, if anyone can spot any, for a future release, but for now, this is just The Citadel arc, pretty much untouched.
Can you expand on that? Where else does Adi Gallia appear?
She was slain by Savage Opress in S03E03 - Pirates of the Outer Rim and later appears alive in S03E06b - The Citadel.
Can you expand on that? Where else does Adi Gallia appear?
Ah, yes. I remember looking into this a while back- conveniently, Adi Gallia has a lookalike, Stass Allie. You can headcanon that that’s her instead!
The “problem” is that they call her Master Gallia in the scene lol
Ah, yes. I remember looking into this a while back- conveniently, Adi Gallia has a lookalike, Stass Allie. You can headcanon that that’s her instead!
Yeah, but not the other one in the other episode!
No, she is called by name in both episodes.
Ok then- let me know the time in my edit that she’s called by name and I’ll replace it with Stass Allie’s if I can, or cut around it if not.
S03E06b - Citadel
at 31:27 mark, Master Saesee Tiin calls her Master Gallia.
Ok then- let me know the time in my edit that she’s called by name and I’ll replace it with Stass Allie’s if I can, or cut around it if not.